RE: Honda Beat | Spotted
RE: Honda Beat | Spotted
Wednesday 10th August 2022

Honda Beat | Spotted

What happens when you divide a Honda NSX by three? The Beat...


Fancy a small, Japanese, rear-wheel-drive, open-top car? Then clearly the Mazda MX-5 will be at the forefront of any list. It has to be. What else is there in the modern-classic mould that’s dinky and roofless? But what if your garage is cluttered? What if you can’t really be bothered to turf out those boxes of old family photographs, or the washing machine and tumble-dryer for that matter? All the paraphernalia that means even an MX-5 won’t fit. Well, how about a Honda Beat?

The baby Beat makes the MX-5 look like a stretched SL. Seriously. The current MX-5 is 3,915mm long and 1,735 wide (with the mirrors folded). The Beat beats that by a country mile. It's just 3,295mm long and 1,395mm wide. It’s basically a Matchbox car that you can actually drive. And then there’s the weight. Mazda made a huge song and dance in 2015 when it launched the current MX-5 that it weighed around same as the original, at just over 1,000kg. Well, buy it a subscription to Weight Watches, please. The Beat weighs just 760kg, which is lighter than the Hindenburg.

It is, of course, a Japanese kei car, which is a class of car for the home market that brought useful tax advantages. Also, very importantly, if you lived in the crowded metropolis of Tokyo or any other restrictive Japanese city, you didn’t need to prove you had a parking space before you were allowed to buy it. To qualify as a kei car at the time the Beat was built, the footprint could be no bigger than 3,300mm by 1,400mm. Many were boxy little MPVs for the sensible of thinking, but some, like the Beat and the Suzuki Cappuccino, sprinkled some fun onto the microcar's magic formula.

There was – and still is – a catch, though. The engines were limited to 660cc and 64hp. But while Suzuki turbocharged the Cappuccino to hit that mighty power threshold, Honda did what Honda does best: make revs. Many, many revs. It made its little Bonzi car's motor scream to 8,500rpm, which, for the record, is higher than that other 90s mid-engined Honda, the NSX – albeit that had twice the number of cylinders and more than three times the capacity. To help achieve its freneticism, the 656cc, 12-valve triple even came with individual throttle bodies. Proper stuff, then.

The lack of a turbo  means there’s bugger all performance below 4,000rpm. That’s fine. It means the Beat positively encourages you rag the rivets out of it at all times. Peak torque is just 44lb ft and doesn’t arrive until 7,000rpm, and once you’re up there you may as well keep the throttle pinned in search of the power crescendo, too. That chimes at a heady 8,100rpm. And you can watch it all happening on the motorbike-style instrument binnacle with, naturally, a central rev counter.

Obviously, that kind of peaky performance dictates that you’ll never stop using the gearbox. No problem there, either. Along with high-revving engines, Honda also knows how to build a great manual 'box. In this case a five-speeder, with the ideal combination of a short shift and an emphatically defined gate. It’s a laugh in the corners, too. Surprisingly grown-up, all-independent suspension equips the Beat with a more advanced chassis than your average city car. And with its mid-engined balance, this means it’s a joy to fling here there and everywhere, safe in the knowledge that if you get carried away and overdo it, the limits are stifled safely by slender rubber. Unequal rubber, too, like a supercar, with 155/65 13-inch tyres at the front and 165/60 14-inch at the rear.

Finding parts for the Beat can be an issue. You can buy reasonably priced panels direct from Japan and, not so long ago, Honda announced it would be reproducing a raft of hitherto unavailable parts. However, with most of the bits coming overnight from Japan, there’s the shipping time and duty implications to consider.

The other thing is practicality. The Beat makes the MX-5 look like a roomy grand tourer for two people and a kitchen sink. This car’s tiny dimensions mean you’ll probably want to be in a touchy-feely relationship with whomever is sitting alongside you: because touching and feeling, intentionally or otherwise, will be quite the norm in this narrow, confined cockpit. And the boot is tiny. Nearly half of it is taken up by the battery – that’s how small it is.

Beyond those considerations, why not consider this Honda Beat? If you’re after something small and convertibley that isn’t an MX-5, this is, and it's not one of those. And think about it: we’re always moaning that cars are getting too powerful, too heavy, too grippy and too complicated. Well, the littlest Honda is the complete antithesis of all those things. So even though it's not actually that fast, should still make your heartbeat faster. 


Specification | Honda Beat

Engine: 656cc, three-cylinder, naturally aspirated
Transmission: 5-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 64 @ 8,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 44 @ 7,000rpm
MPG: 39.0
CO2: N/A
First registered: 1991
Recorded mileage: 24,000
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £5,950

See the original advert here

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gonnagetyoursBenny

Original Poster:

103 posts

129 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Belter

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

258 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Wicked

biggbn

30,387 posts

244 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Fantastic

86wasagoodyear

880 posts

120 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Wonderful. If only the regulators had gone down this small, low power route in the 1990s (or any time since) we'd have used, and be using, far fewer raw materials & resources to make cars than we are now. We'd also have far more effiecient cars with much lower real-world emissions.
Imagine today's powertrain tech in the far lighter bodies of 1990s vehicles - it'd be so much better than what we're stuck with today. It's ridiculous that a normal new medium family hatch is about 1500 kg, and don't get me started on all the 1800+ kg leviathans...

aka_kerrly

12,498 posts

234 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Yep really appeal to me. I've been keeping my eye out for a yellow one.

There are lots of cool aftermarket parts available in Japan and some awesome engine builds for these to, for example turbo and supercharger swaps on the existing engine to get clear of 100hp. There are also at least a couple that have been fitted the Honda 1.6 b16a with 160+hp ,others use the Honda Fireblade/super black bird engines plus there is a firm that does Suzuki Hayabusa conversion kits including turbo ones with 250hp which must be utterly fantastic!!!!


CarlosSainz100

690 posts

144 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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That is fantastic, alas being 6ft 4 and long in leg I have no chance of ever fitting in one

mrclav

1,645 posts

247 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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86wasagoodyear said:
Wonderful. If only the regulators had gone down this small, low power route in the 1990s (or any time since) we'd have used, and be using, far fewer raw materials & resources to make cars than we are now. We'd also have far more effiecient cars with much lower real-world emissions.
Imagine today's powertrain tech in the far lighter bodies of 1990s vehicles - it'd be so much better than what we're stuck with today. It's ridiculous that a normal new medium family hatch is about 1500 kg, and don't get me started on all the 1800+ kg leviathans...
I don't know about that - I'd rather walk off than be carried off if I got into an accident. To me, cars like this are simply a deathtrap on wheels and they don't offer much more protection than a motorbike.

One of the significant reasons a modern family hatch weighs 1500kgs is due to regulatory safety equipment and I know what I'd rather be in as a daily proposition if I had to choose between personal/family safety vs lightness/efficiency.

Furthermore, in the late 90s/early 00s you had Smart cars which were essentially the European equivalent of these; remind me again how well they sold?

Unreal

9,221 posts

49 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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mrclav said:
I don't know about that - I'd rather walk off than be carried off if I got into an accident. To me, cars like this are simply a deathtrap on wheels and they don't offer much more protection than a motorbike.

One of the significant reasons a modern family hatch weighs 1500kgs is due to regulatory safety equipment and I know what I'd rather be in as a daily proposition if I had to choose between personal/family safety vs lightness/efficiency.

Furthermore, in the late 90s/early 00s you had Smart cars which were essentially the European equivalent of these; remind me again how well they sold?
You're not an accountant working in IT are you? Not that I wish to stereotype. winkbiggrin

I love little curiosities like these. Not sure I'd like to own one but I'm pleased they exist.

Augustus Windsock

3,720 posts

179 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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“ Mazda made a huge song and dance in 2015 when it launched the current MX-5 that it weighed around same as the original, at just over 1,000kg. Well, buy it a subscription to Weight Watches, please”

Time weighs heavy, doesn’t it…?

aka_kerrly

12,498 posts

234 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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mrclav said:
Furthermore, in the late 90s/early 00s you had Smart cars which were essentially the European equivalent of these; remind me again how well they sold?
Well there is an interesting comparison.

The Smart roadster & coupe sold considerably more than Mercedes anticipated. Something crazy like they expected to sell 8,000 to justify the project and sold 40,000.

I could be wrong but I think it was mostly the semi automatic gearbox that the Smarts came with plus the questionable styling that limits the appeal to a lot of people rather than the size.

The Japanese Honda Beat and Suzuki Cappuccino have far more style & character than the Smart car.

As for safety, don't crash & avoid accidents...

biggbn

30,387 posts

244 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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aka_kerrly said:
mrclav said:
Furthermore, in the late 90s/early 00s you had Smart cars which were essentially the European equivalent of these; remind me again how well they sold?
Well there is an interesting comparison.

The Smart roadster & coupe sold considerably more than Mercedes anticipated. Something crazy like they expected to sell 8,000 to justify the project and sold 40,000.

I could be wrong but I think it was mostly the semi automatic gearbox that the Smarts came with plus the questionable styling that limits the appeal to a lot of people rather than the size.

The Japanese Honda Beat and Suzuki Cappuccino have far more style & character than the Smart car.

As for safety, don't crash & avoid accidents...
Smart sold very well, I adored all of mine, never owned a Roadster or Coupe but there is still time.

Earl of Hazzard

3,630 posts

182 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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biggbn said:
aka_kerrly said:
mrclav said:
Furthermore, in the late 90s/early 00s you had Smart cars which were essentially the European equivalent of these; remind me again how well they sold?
Well there is an interesting comparison.

The Smart roadster & coupe sold considerably more than Mercedes anticipated. Something crazy like they expected to sell 8,000 to justify the project and sold 40,000.

I could be wrong but I think it was mostly the semi automatic gearbox that the Smarts came with plus the questionable styling that limits the appeal to a lot of people rather than the size.

The Japanese Honda Beat and Suzuki Cappuccino have far more style & character than the Smart car.

As for safety, don't crash & avoid accidents...
Smart sold very well, I adored all of mine, never owned a Roadster or Coupe but there is still time.
Loved my Roadster. Remapped to 101hp and was literally a go kart. And surprisingly civilised on motorways; took mine to London numerous times, as well as Le Mans. My passenger to Le Man was 6ft 4, and he fitted ok

Hub

6,997 posts

222 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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I do like a kei convertible - probably because I could fit one in my garage! (and I'm not exactly tall myself, so driving wouldn't be a problem!)

leglessAlex

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165 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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I’ve watched too much anime and read too much manga, but the idea of a two car garage of one of these and then a little kei van is just so, so cool.

Would have.

Groaver

77 posts

57 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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My Suzuki Cappuccino is still my favourite car that I've owned.
These are great fun cars.
Less is more.

Triumph Man

9,460 posts

192 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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mrclav said:
86wasagoodyear said:
Wonderful. If only the regulators had gone down this small, low power route in the 1990s (or any time since) we'd have used, and be using, far fewer raw materials & resources to make cars than we are now. We'd also have far more effiecient cars with much lower real-world emissions.
Imagine today's powertrain tech in the far lighter bodies of 1990s vehicles - it'd be so much better than what we're stuck with today. It's ridiculous that a normal new medium family hatch is about 1500 kg, and don't get me started on all the 1800+ kg leviathans...
I don't know about that - I'd rather walk off than be carried off if I got into an accident. To me, cars like this are simply a deathtrap on wheels and they don't offer much more protection than a motorbike.

One of the significant reasons a modern family hatch weighs 1500kgs is due to regulatory safety equipment and I know what I'd rather be in as a daily proposition if I had to choose between personal/family safety vs lightness/efficiency.

Furthermore, in the late 90s/early 00s you had Smart cars which were essentially the European equivalent of these; remind me again how well they sold?
Christ alive there's always one...

This looks like a right hoot!

biggbn

30,387 posts

244 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Earl of Hazzard said:
biggbn said:
aka_kerrly said:
mrclav said:
Furthermore, in the late 90s/early 00s you had Smart cars which were essentially the European equivalent of these; remind me again how well they sold?
Well there is an interesting comparison.

The Smart roadster & coupe sold considerably more than Mercedes anticipated. Something crazy like they expected to sell 8,000 to justify the project and sold 40,000.

I could be wrong but I think it was mostly the semi automatic gearbox that the Smarts came with plus the questionable styling that limits the appeal to a lot of people rather than the size.

The Japanese Honda Beat and Suzuki Cappuccino have far more style & character than the Smart car.

As for safety, don't crash & avoid accidents...
Smart sold very well, I adored all of mine, never owned a Roadster or Coupe but there is still time.
Loved my Roadster. Remapped to 101hp and was literally a go kart. And surprisingly civilised on motorways; took mine to London numerous times, as well as Le Mans. My passenger to Le Man was 6ft 4, and he fitted ok
George Kacher tested the roadster for Car magazine, and he is a lamp post of a man.

mrclav

1,645 posts

247 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Unreal said:
mrclav said:
I don't know about that - I'd rather walk off than be carried off if I got into an accident. To me, cars like this are simply a deathtrap on wheels and they don't offer much more protection than a motorbike.

One of the significant reasons a modern family hatch weighs 1500kgs is due to regulatory safety equipment and I know what I'd rather be in as a daily proposition if I had to choose between personal/family safety vs lightness/efficiency.

Furthermore, in the late 90s/early 00s you had Smart cars which were essentially the European equivalent of these; remind me again how well they sold?
You're not an accountant working in IT are you? Not that I wish to stereotype. winkbiggrin

I love little curiosities like these. Not sure I'd like to own one but I'm pleased they exist.
No, I write music for film and TV... smile I could never be an accountant or even work in IT, I'm terrible with numbers!

My comments were really aimed and the suggestion that this is the way cars should have gone in the 1990s, I have no problem with them existing whatsoever but I would never even think about owning or living with such a car and I'm glad car manufacturers didn't go down this route en masse.

Like I said, Smart essentially were the European equivalent; seems the Western market didn't really want super small light cars like these very much.

biggbn

30,387 posts

244 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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mrclav said:
Unreal said:
mrclav said:
I don't know about that - I'd rather walk off than be carried off if I got into an accident. To me, cars like this are simply a deathtrap on wheels and they don't offer much more protection than a motorbike.

One of the significant reasons a modern family hatch weighs 1500kgs is due to regulatory safety equipment and I know what I'd rather be in as a daily proposition if I had to choose between personal/family safety vs lightness/efficiency.

Furthermore, in the late 90s/early 00s you had Smart cars which were essentially the European equivalent of these; remind me again how well they sold?
You're not an accountant working in IT are you? Not that I wish to stereotype. winkbiggrin

I love little curiosities like these. Not sure I'd like to own one but I'm pleased they exist.
No, I write music for film and TV... smile I could never be an accountant or even work in IT, I'm terrible with numbers!

My comments were really aimed and the suggestion that this is the way cars should have gone in the 1990s, I have no problem with them existing whatsoever but I would never even think about owning or living with such a car and I'm glad car manufacturers didn't go down this route en masse.

Like I said, Smart essentially were the European equivalent; seems the Western market didn't really want super small light cars like these very much.
Had this kind of design evolved there is no saying they would have been unsafe, in fact it might have benefited the industry as a whole building lighter kore efficient cars with modern safety systems made and designed with the innovation the design brief required

CoffeePls

105 posts

62 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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mrclav said:
o, I write music for film and TV... smile I could never be an accountant or even work in IT, I'm terrible with numbers!

My comments were really aimed and the suggestion that this is the way cars should have gone in the 1990s, I have no problem with them existing whatsoever but I would never even think about owning or living with such a car and I'm glad car manufacturers didn't go down this route en masse.

Like I said, Smart essentially were the European equivalent; seems the Western market didn't really want super small light cars like these very much.
You could consider an S660 instead. Sad that they were discontinued earlier this year.

How much crash protection does a Caterham Seven have? That doesn't seem to get mentioned much