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Sunday 14th August 2022

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As a practical PHEV, is the Skoda Octavia iV Estate a bargain in these financially constrained times?


A little while ago, I moved from a position of indifference to gushing enthusiasm over the worthiness of plug-in hybrids. That was after spending a week or so in the Volvo V60 T6 Recharge. It just worked really well. On every level. As a car it was plush and comfortable and extremely practical, and, as a hybrid, its 40-mile real-world range meant the petrol engine fired only on long journeys. And unlike a full-blown EV, there was no range anxiety or lengthy stops for fuel. It was, I concluded, a ‘have your cake and eat it car’. The only thing is, it’s £51,000. Admittedly, that isn’t cheap. So I decided to see what alternatives there are if you want all the cake for a bit less cash. And I did it properly. I even broke out the calculator and did some maths.

When it comes to V60-matching practicality, you can’t do much better than a Skoda Octavia Estate. And I love a Skoda. Like Volvos, they always seem fit for purpose, which is my main criteria when it comes to evaluating cars. They’re well thought out, so they tend to be easy to live with, and they only come in one size: large. The Octavia’s so big, in fact, that it’s easy to forget that it’s actually a Ford Focus rival. The other upside is that Skodas are always keenly priced. And the Octavia iV Estate, in mid-spec SE L trim, is just £35,890, so it’s a lot cheaper than the Volvo if you’re paying cash.

However, few people pay cash these days. So doing this properly, I looked at a PCP comparison for a private buyer. With a deposit of £5,000, an average of 10,000-miles-a-year, and a 36-month contract, the Octavia is £608 per month, while the V60 is £780. That’s quite a difference, then. But hybrids are also tax avoidance schemes, which is why many people choose them as company cars. So I did the same scrupulous investigative journalism to work out their monthly BIK cost for a top-rate tax payer. Again, the Octavia is cheaper: £96 per month compared with £136 for the V60. That's only £40, then. So depending on your circumstances, perhaps the Octavia isn’t quite the nailed-on bargain it once was.

Right then, if the price isn’t necessarily the absolute clincher, is the Octavia up there, relatively speaking, with the V60 in terms of all the other things: space, driving dynamics, quality and hybridness? Well, starting with practicality, in some ways it is. The iV’s boot is a lot smaller than the regular Octavia wagon’s (490 litres vs. 640 litres), and it’s also smaller than the V60’s, which is 519 litres. That’s because the iV’s boot floor is much higher than usual, but while it’s no longer exceptional there’s still a decent amount of room in the back. There are some fillips, too, like 40:20:40 split-folding rear seats and room for the charging cables under the boot floor.

Passenger space is excellent. There’s masses of space in the front seats and the rear seats are good as well. Not quite as roomy as the V60’s behind my driving position, but you can still comfortably get four adults onboard, and five at a push. The driving position isn’t as perfect as the Volvo’s, though. You still get comfy armrests, clear dials, and great visibility past the comparatively thin windscreen pillars, but the relationship of seat, pedals and steering wheel is a bit off. The seat itself is great, mind. It’s electrically adjustable in this SE L model and very supportive, but I couldn’t get it as low as I’d have liked. And the pedals aren’t as deep into the footwell like they are in the Volvo, which gives you a perfect bathtub driving position – legs stretched out and the steering wheel as close to your chest as you’d like. Because the pedals are farther forward in the Octavia, I ended up compromising on bent knees just so the steering wheel, at its maximum extension, wasn’t too far away. Still, this isn’t a dealbreaker.

Neither is interior quality. I think the Octavia looks smart at a cursory glance. There are bits of cloth trim on the dashboard, some soft and textured plastics in the key places and lots of shiny bits. It all helps to brighten it up inside. But there’s no doubt the substance is left wanting. That’s fine – it’s a cheaper car – but it feels less sturdy than the previous Octavia. That was a bit dull inside but very well made. Here, there are more than a few wobbly bits and the switches on the centre console work with a Pound Shop twang. The V60’s in a different league in this respect – it’s one of the best-finished estates on sale, and that’s at any price.  

In terms of handling, neither car is pin-sharp. But that’s okay. I’m more concerned about comfort than cornering prowess in cars like these. Like the V60, the Skoda does what it needs to well enough. The steering feels connected and accurate, and despite the body roll, which is prodigious, there’s plenty of grip to see you safely on your way. As long as the trade-off is comfort, then all’s well in my book. So is it comfortable? Well, it depends. Remember the days of 17-inch wheels and pillowy-walled tyres? This car is a welcome return to them. And combined with the soft springs it feels really lovely and wafty over gentler undulations without feeling underdamped. Over long stretches of motorway it can be amazingly cosseting. 

Unfortunately, it doesn’t cope so well with sharper hits. Neither does the Volvo, to be fair, but it’s far better than this. Over the more abrupt stuff the Octavia is clumsy. Ridges and potholes cause a proper thump and the occasional shudder, whatever speed you’re doing, and even when it’s not thumping, the boom and clunks from the rear suspension make you think it’s riding worse than it is. It's quiet at speed, mind. There's not a lot of road noise and hardly any wind noise. Even the brakes are okay. They’re not completely free of regen corruption, but they’re still easy to use. Other than the ride issues, it's not far off the V60 dynamically.

But in terms of battery range it's far behind. Officially, the Octavia iV Estate does 41 miles on EV power. Well, I couldn’t get it to do much more than 26 miles, while the V60 managed 40 real-world miles easily on a single charge. That said, the Octavia's range is still useful for pottering around locally, but for the journeys I do I ended up using a lot more internal combustion. Running on that alone (as in the battery depleted from the start) I saw up to 57mpg on one trip, which is fantastic. Generally, it gravitated to around 48mpg, which still isn’t bad and there or there about the V60’s average.

One of my journeys involved a lane closure on the M25 and a lot of crawling traffic. And then I noticed that the Octavia has an annoying trait – a driveline shunt from the motor. I was so bored in the traffic that I ended up inventing a game called ‘How gently can you press the accelerator’ just to see if I could smooth this out. I couldn’t. Once you’re above a snail’s pace you don’t notice it, though, and what you notice instead is how torquey it is. Very much like the V60 you can make great progress without trying, but being front-wheel drive, it’s easier to screech the front tyres in the Octavia with a squirt out of T-junctions. It’s not as hot-hatch-quick as the V60 at full chat but, quite honestly, it still has all the performance you could reasonably need.

So far then, the Octavia is behind its pricier rival, but doing admirably for a value proposition. Right up until the software bit. Remember I said that Skoda’s are well thought out and easy to live with? Well, I’ve re-evaluated that. This car is infuriating, on many levels. It’s the usual thing: manufacturers letting software engineers mess about, trying to invent things they think we might need, which we don’t, and forgetting to get the fundamentals right. Take the infotainment system. It didn’t crash - the first time a modern VW system hasn’t done so - so that’s an improvement, but my goodness it takes forever to boot up. And when the Skoda bit has, there’s a further delay for Apple Carplay to get to 95 per cent functionality. I say 95 per cent because that includes working navigation and phone apps, but my radio app often wouldn't come online until many minutes later. The CarPlay icons are also tiny and not very responsive.

So what about the Skoda menus? Well, they have much bigger icons, which is good, but there’s way too much unnecessary faff. The climate control consistently reset itself to 22 degrees every time I got in, despite me leaving it on 19. Why? And because the auto mode would only ever huff a bit of cold air – even though we’re in a heatwave and the interior temperature was white hot – I tried putting the fans up manually. Well, that’s simple, right? No. You have to press the climate button on the dashboard, but that doesn’t take you to the screen you want. No, it takes you instead to the ‘Smart A/C’ screen, which, as with anything named ‘smart’, is stupid. It just gives you some default options like ‘warm my hands’ and ‘cool my feet’. I wanted none of those things. I wanted a setting for ‘prevent heat stroke’, but it doesn’t have one of those. So I had to press yet another icon to find the screen I wanted in the first place. The normal climate screen. The one that lets you do the things you want to do, like turn up the fans. Arrgghh.

There’s more, too. The hybrid system seems to take forever to sort itself out when you turn the ignition on. You wait what seems like an eternity before you can select a gear, and if you do that too soon, it often gets cross and tells you to press the start button again. And it actually says 'again', so it knows you've pressed it once, which means it really is just being bloody minded. Then there’s the suicidal lane assist. Really, it tried to kill me several times, and nearly succeeded through some roadworks and a set of temporary traffic lights. The cones put me on the wrong side of the road, and when I'd passed them and was cutting across the white line back to my side of the road, the Octavia steered itself, with some conviction, other way. It actually drove towards the car that was stopped, facing me, at the other set of lights. Now, I don’t mind admitting that I shouted a very rude word at that point. Of course, lane assist is another thing that immediately turns itself back on again every time you start the car because it’s a safety thing. Except it isn’t. As my experience proves, it’s really more of a silent assassin.

All this left me a bit depressed. I still think the Octavia is fundamentally decent. And I could live with most of its foibles for the saving it offers, but not the software issues. As with so many VW products these days, these are just too annoying to confront day in, day out. It means that I simply couldn’t recommend this car to you, even though I really wanted to. Not just because I am used to relying on Skoda as a voice of reason in an increasingly befuddled market. It's normally such a bastion of sensibleness, and to lose that feels like a bereavement. What I'd hoped to say is here’s a great cost-saving alternative for our financially constrained times. But, instead, I'm saying spend the extra if you can. Especially if you’re a company car driver. As I said, the V60 T6 just works on every level, and £40 a month extra to keep your sanity seems like a bit of a bargain.


 

 

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nuttywobbler

Original Poster:

349 posts

93 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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So over £26k to PCP the Skoda for three years?!

Then give it back?

Wow.

I must be poorer than I thought.

Whydoyoutalkcrap

221 posts

244 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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That's a really depressing review (and I'm not casting any doubts at all). In essence the software on this ( and seemingly VAG cars in general) is so fundamentally flawed as to make the cars not worth considering. If I had a laptop with these issues it would go straight back for a refund - not so easy with a car is it?

blank

3,766 posts

219 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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Whydoyoutalkcrap said:
That's a really depressing review (and I'm not casting any doubts at all). In essence the software on this ( and seemingly VAG cars in general) is so fundamentally flawed as to make the cars not worth considering. If I had a laptop with these issues it would go straight back for a refund - not so easy with a car is it?
It's fine when it works properly, it's just so buggy it rarely does!

I have a Cupra Leon, so same basic architecture. It was fine for a while, not bad to use at all and no real issues. Then the screen started rebooting itself every 30s or so, and it's been in the dealer waiting a new part since. 2 months so far!!

sideways man

1,675 posts

168 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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It’s great to read an honest review. They generally seem to be of the ‘newer is better style, which isn’t always true.
Shame Skoda has lost its way a little.

Earthdweller

19,664 posts

157 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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nono

£5k down and £608 per month for a very average estate car from Skoda who’s tech doesn’t work properly?


blademansw

83 posts

252 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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Earthdweller said:
nono

£5k down and £608 per month for a very average estate car from Skoda who’s tech doesn’t work properly?
And the headline for the review is "is it a bargain".

Stop this insane world, I want to get off.

richinlondon

901 posts

153 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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blademansw said:
Earthdweller said:
nono

£5k down and £608 per month for a very average estate car from Skoda who’s tech doesn’t work properly?
And the headline for the review is "is it a bargain".

Stop this insane world, I want to get off.
I’m keeping our 2013 xc70 going for a long while, 88k miles and barely a crease in the leather or a stone chip and bar an abs sensor has had no faults, plus around 40mpg too.

Pob17

33 posts

64 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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I got rid of this model Octavia estate after it tried to kill me once too often for my liking. So much was wrong with it, it went back to VWFS, I’ve never been so happy to see a car go. After a few failed lease deals to replace it with something else, we really needed a car and I got a good deal on a Cupra Formentor. Same software, same engine, and while the software can still be irritating occasionally, it’s a much better installation than Skoda’s, and importantly far more reliable. Most important thing is turn the lane assist off when you start it, everything else is liveable with. Although I do yearn for the setup in my old Golf GTI 7.5.

Carlososos

976 posts

127 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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Pob17 said:
I got rid of this model Octavia estate after it tried to kill me once too often for my liking. So much was wrong with it, it went back to VWFS, I’ve never been so happy to see a car go. After a few failed lease deals to replace it with something else, we really needed a car and I got a good deal on a Cupra Formentor. Same software, same engine, and while the software can still be irritating occasionally, it’s a much better installation than Skoda’s, and importantly far more reliable. Most important thing is turn the lane assist off when you start it, everything else is liveable with. Although I do yearn for the setup in my old Golf GTI 7.5.
How come you didn’t consider something else other than essentially the exact same car again that you couldn’t wait to get rid of?

Augustus Windsock

3,807 posts

186 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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I’ve currently got the previous model estate on a 2019 plate
Overall I love it as it does what it says on the tin, infotainment unit excepted.
Whilst mime was in for a service recently I was loaned a new one and it took me until my 3rd journey to find out how to alter the temperature and fan; at least with mine it’s just simple dials.
And I agree, the worlds gone mad, £26k for a car you’ll never own, which I don’t understand as used prices are that high that lease companies must be coining it in...
Luckily I’m getting a company car with my new job so it won’t bother me, but if I had to replace my current Octy I’d probably seek out a used car

Pob17

33 posts

64 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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Carlososos said:
How come you didn’t consider something else other than essentially the exact same car again that you couldn’t wait to get rid of?
I wanted a 128ti but BMW decided to mess with specs and then stopped making them so that fell through. I was pretty much desperate for a car at exactly the wrong time during peak chip shortage / covid etc, this Formentor came up and I figured that VWFS had been so good with taking the Octavia back pretty much immediately after I requested help and refunding lease payments, plus I figured at some point in the intervening 12 months VAG would have got to grips with some of the major issues and upgraded the initial infotainment hardware as well. So I saw it as a risk but one I could always get out of if it didn’t work out that way. Turns out I really like the Formentor, way better build than the Octavia, better materials etc, I’m really happy with it.

British Beef

2,573 posts

196 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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nuttywobbler said:
So over £26k to PCP the Skoda for three years?!

Then give it back?

Wow.

I must be poorer than I thought.
At the end you own it for £26k surely? perhaps I am out of touch as well, that is all these cars cost surely?

Augustus Windsock

3,807 posts

186 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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British Beef said:
nuttywobbler said:
So over £26k to PCP the Skoda for three years?!

Then give it back?

Wow.

I must be poorer than I thought.
At the end you own it for £26k surely? perhaps I am out of touch as well, that is all these cars cost surely?
Not as far as I’m aware
When the term ends, you have a choice: you can make a lump sum payment (balloon payment) in order to purchase the vehicle outright.
Or, you can use any equity you have in the deal – if the car has maintained more of its value than expected – to put down as a deposit on a new vehicle, via a new PCP deal.
As vehicles on the used market are fetching higher than normal, I’m sure that will have an impact???

Sporky

12,504 posts

95 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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British Beef said:
At the end you own it for £26k surely? perhaps I am out of touch as well, that is all these cars cost surely?
It says it's £35890 in the article.

Earthdweller

19,664 posts

157 months

Sunday 14th August 2022
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Sporky said:
British Beef said:
At the end you own it for £26k surely? perhaps I am out of touch as well, that is all these cars cost surely?
It says it's £35890 in the article.
That’s the list price .. £26888 is what you pay to drive it for three years ( deposit and payments )

Yes of course you could pay the final balloon and keep it .. but what would that be ? £10k? £15k?

lotus116tornado

340 posts

183 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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Those figures are all wrong.
I’ve just configured that car on Lease Loco and these are the costs

Mileage - 10000 MPA
Deposit - £5207
36 Months - £433.98 Inc. Vat per month
Total Cost - £20,396

The car/deal was £6000 cheaper a year ago and with the same deposit you would have been paying £280.


Numeric

1,499 posts

182 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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sideways man said:
It’s great to read an honest review. They generally seem to be of the ‘newer is better style, which isn’t always true.
Shame Skoda has lost its way a little.
A lot I'd argue. I'll never forget when they replaced the Yeti with some boring creased blob and it seems they are descending further, such a shame as they had such promise.

But I really enjoyed the review, very informative and interesting I thought.

wpa1975

14,810 posts

145 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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Pob17 said:
I got rid of this model Octavia estate after it tried to kill me once too often for my liking. So much was wrong with it, it went back to VWFS, I’ve never been so happy to see a car go. After a few failed lease deals to replace it with something else, we really needed a car and I got a good deal on a Cupra Formentor. Same software, same engine, and while the software can still be irritating occasionally, it’s a much better installation than Skoda’s, and importantly far more reliable. Most important thing is turn the lane assist off when you start it, everything else is liveable with. Although I do yearn for the setup in my old Golf GTI 7.5.
This makes no sense, you have replaced the Octavia with the same basic car.

As for lane assist it is horrid, driven a Scala with it and was so glad once I learnt how to switch it off.

As for paying £608 per month for this no thanks.

TypeRTim

725 posts

125 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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£608 a month!!!!! for a Skoda!!!!! wobble

Also, I'm glad that he stated the bleeding obvious that adjusting the climate controls is MUCH EASIER using separate physical controls than arseing around with the touch screen.

wrt to the comments about the 26k...

the pcp would work out at:

Deposit: 5K
36 monthlies at £608: £21,888

If the list price is £35k, you're looking at an extra £9k in 'balloon payment' before you can own it.

quite frankly ridiculous!

66HFM

882 posts

56 months

Monday 15th August 2022
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I know we don't want to turn this into a PCP vs buying a car for cash discussion, but
£5,000 deposit
£608 x 36 months = £21,888
Total £26,888
Assuming no equity left in the car, which is most probably a wrong assumption = a cost of £746.89 per month (£26,888 / 36)

At the end of 3 years you potentially have nothing... apart from a big hole in your savings...

As mentioned elsewhere you could most probably get a better lease deal but the total costs are crazy or maybe I'm out of touch and happy to not pay the priviliege of 'owning' a new car...