RE: Steal or no steal | Subaru AWD all-stars
RE: Steal or no steal | Subaru AWD all-stars
Saturday 17th September 2022

Steal or no steal | Subaru AWD all-stars

2022 marks 50 years since the first all-wheel drive Subaru; it's been quite the half-century


Subaru Impreza WRX STI (JDM), 2007, 92k, £13,995

Just when you think you’ve found the right Impreza WRX STI, another one comes along to tempt you away. Not only are there an infinite number of special editions, each with their own minor but often significant differences, there are also some major differences between UK and JDM cars. Go for the UK model and you’ll get the distinct Impreza burble, which is lost on the Japanese cars as they use equal-length headers. However, JDM machines get twin-scroll turbos, automatic water spray for the intercooler and tougher engines. Though you may pay a little more for one, JDM cars are typically the way to go if you want the ultimate Impreza WRX experience.

That’s why I was surprised to find this 2007 Hawkeye, with 92,000 miles on the clock, for a little under £14,000. Now, UK Hawkeyes saw the introduction of the punchy 2.5-litre boxer, which wasn’t nearly as sturdy as the 2.0-litre forged motor the JDM version came with. It also earned a higher rev limit, which helps make up for the lack of exhaust burble.

This one’s easy to overlook because it’s covered in rally stickers, which is usually a sign that it’s been tuned beyond recognition, though it appears to be completely standard. And it’s in WR Mica with gold wheels, aka the perfect STI spec. Seriously, if someone doesn’t buy this soon, my house deposit will be taking a bit of a hit…

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Subaru Legacy Spec B, 2009, 127k, £3,995

Any Japanese car with ‘Spec’ in its name is going to be expensive. Look at Spec C Imprezas for proof of that. Or V-Spec Skylines. Or even M-Spec ones, for that matter. Everything but the Spec B Legacy, in fact. Which makes it a bargain basement route into all that’s great about all-wheel drive Subarus.

The early cars reserved just for Japan are still affordable, despite plenty of Impreza-donated parts and almost 300hp - this one is still comfortably under £10k. But we can do even better than that for a Spec B bargain. The later Legacy to gain the badge might not have been as hardcore, switching the EJ20 turbo for a 3.0-litre flat six and aimed more at the compact executive class than rally reps, but it had plenty to recommend it as well. That included Bilstein suspension, a rear limited-slip diff for the four-wheel drive and the SI-Drive mode selector. Maybe it wasn’t a Subaru icon with a slightly aloof driving experience, but then the icons don’t cost £3,995 anymore…

Yep, that’s all this Legacy Spec B costs, complete with what’s described as ‘great’ service history for its 127,000 miles and ‘immaculate’ condition - bizarre bonnet ornament and all. A 3.0-litre flat six and automatic gearbox won’t make it cheap to run, but boxer-engined, all-wheel drive Subarus with more than 240hp don’t come cheaper.

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Subaru Forester 2.5 XTEn, 2009, 98k, £3,991

While this list could easily have been a lot longer and compiled entirely of Imprezas, we'd have been remiss not to mention the other all-wheel drive Subarus that have been made in the past half a century. Not least because those without WRC heritage are rather more affordable.

Coming in at a few quid less even than the Legacy, this Forester XTEn boasts so much of what has made the Subaru legend: turbocharged flat-four engine, manual gearbox, four driven wheels and the sort of hardy dependability that keeps them farm-friendly to this day. Again the larger 2.5-litre motor used here isn’t quite as tough as the earlier 2.0-litre, though the Forester looks to have survived almost 100,000 miles of use with plenty of life intact. There’s no escape when the original owner has gone for sand leather…

As with all the cars on this list - as with so many Subarus really - old-school turbo power and permanent all-wheel drive mean the Forester will be pricey to run. On the other hand, it’s a lot of performance for the money, which was always fundamental to the Subaru appeal before the famous ones got so expensive. Being the less cool one never looked so tempting.

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prtyqwerty

Original Poster:

50 posts

78 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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Had a very nicely modified Forester XT van conversion. More usable than my RS6!

GravelBen

16,535 posts

261 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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I still get tempted by those 3.0R Spec B Legacies (if I could find a manual one). I had a happy and very reliable 11 years with the previous model Legacy GTB (a GTB E-tune II if we're using the full alphabet soup hehe ). Great all-rounder, I miss it most times I have to overtake someone in the Hilux...

anonymous-user

85 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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Owned 3 rubies, a base impreza, Forrester, and an STI, great cars. Driving an STI through a blizzard in -20 s a thing to behold how brilliant it is. There is nothing i would trust my life to in those conditions.

86wasagoodyear

997 posts

127 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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Love a Subaru, have had 5 of them. 2x Impreza WRX 2.0, 2x Legacy (a 2.0D and a 3.0RN), 1x Tribeca 3.6. All absolutely reliable, nothing has ever gone wrong with any of them. Such assured handling & traction in all conditions, I've taken them to the Alps in winter etc. I also find that Subarus generally have superb damping, rare for a normal production car.
It's such a pity (and pita) that the rubbish CVT gearbox has dominated new UK models for the last 10 years or so. It puts me off buying another new one, which I would otherwise do in a heartbeat.
Of this list I'd take the Legacy Spec B - expensive to run and a bargain to buy.

macky17

2,239 posts

220 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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Have owned 3 x blob eye wrx, a WR1, an RB320 and a forester sti. Loved them all. Favourite? Although I loved the sti Scoobies one of the wrx cars was a prodrive with leather and perfect wheels/stance. Fast and genuinely comfortable. Wish I'd never sold it. A scan of the classifieds reveals very few wrx blob eye examples which have not been ruined or neglected. Ship has sailed on those it seems.

Hippea

3,983 posts

100 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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Love Subaru’s but none of those examples for me

AndrewT1275

923 posts

271 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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86wasagoodyear said:
Love a Subaru, have had 5 of them. 2x Impreza WRX 2.0, 2x Legacy (a 2.0D and a 3.0RN), 1x Tribeca 3.6. All absolutely reliable, nothing has ever gone wrong with any of them. Such assured handling & traction in all conditions, I've taken them to the Alps in winter etc. I also find that Subarus generally have superb damping, rare for a normal production car.
It's such a pity (and pita) that the rubbish CVT gearbox has dominated new UK models for the last 10 years or so. It puts me off buying another new one, which I would otherwise do in a heartbeat.
Of this list I'd take the Legacy Spec B - expensive to run and a bargain to buy.
Nothing wrong with the CVT gearbox, it's just different and takes some getting used to. You don't get the surge-stop-surge-stop-surge from a conventional gearbox, which coupled with the constant revs can give the feeling of not much happening but the reality is you get 100% power all the time when accelerating hard and the ability to cruise along at 1200 rpm no matter what the speed is.

They are a great fit for the bigger, more powerful engines, much like traditional autos. With the flat 6 it makes for a super smooth drive.

Sad Weevil

124 posts

179 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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86wasagoodyear said:
Love a Subaru, have had 5 of them. 2x Impreza WRX 2.0, 2x Legacy (a 2.0D and a 3.0RN), 1x Tribeca 3.6. All absolutely reliable, nothing has ever gone wrong with any of them. Such assured handling & traction in all conditions, I've taken them to the Alps in winter etc. I also find that Subarus generally have superb damping, rare for a normal production car.
It's such a pity (and pita) that the rubbish CVT gearbox has dominated new UK models for the last 10 years or so. It puts me off buying another new one, which I would otherwise do in a heartbeat.
Of this list I'd take the Legacy Spec B - expensive to run and a bargain to buy.
I'm on my 7th Subaru, had a '98 basic Forester, an Outback gen 2 H6, Impreza Bugeye GS, Impreza classic turbo 2000 Prodrive, a Forester 2.5 turbo (remapped to 280 hp), an Outback 3.0r H6, and currently a Levorg 1.6 GT. No problems at all with any of them. FWIW, I don't find the CVT in the 1.6 Levorg rubbish at all, it's better than the 5eat in my opinion. It doesn't behave anything like other CVTs I've driven.

Pillskii

130 posts

183 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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AndrewT1275 said:
Nothing wrong with the CVT gearbox, it's just different and takes some getting used to. You don't get the surge-stop-surge-stop-surge from a conventional gearbox, which coupled with the constant revs can give the feeling of not much happening but the reality is you get 100% power all the time when accelerating hard and the ability to cruise along at 1200 rpm no matter what the speed is.

They are a great fit for the bigger, more powerful engines, much like traditional autos. With the flat 6 it makes for a super smooth drive.
I think your last paragraph is the issue. With the right engine the CVT does work well. The problem with the current UK line up is the engines are pretty gutless meaning when you do need power you are greeted by lots of noise and not very much go.

I own a now very leggy 3.0RN Outback and I went to view the latest Gen 6 outback really really wanting to like it…however despite an extended test drive the drive train just didn’t impress - not at the c.£40k mark anyways. Granted it is still better than most other CVTs I’ve tried from the Toyota / Lexus stable.

If only they could bring the more powerful 2.4 turbo unit they get in America to the UK - that would likely change my mind.

I haven’t driven the Levorg so the lighter weight relative to the Outback / Forester may give a different experience.

mcelliott

10,558 posts

212 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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Here's my JDM STI blobeye - 5 years of untroubled motoring, proper missile. Currently up for sale as I'm hopefully getting a STI Wagon bugeye.

S100HP

13,811 posts

198 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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3 for me. A ropey Hawkeye, a JDM twinscroll Legacy (4th Gen) and my current JDM 5th Gen Legacy.



I'm a fan. Quite like a Levorg next, the STI one is JDM only with a decent engine and the CVT box.

andy43

13,278 posts

285 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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Had 3 Forester Turbos and a Legacy. Probably almost time for another one...

jwwbowe

706 posts

203 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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Had a Gen 3 3.0R H6 Outback, fantastic car only fault was the aux tensioner and belt @ 125k, a well looked after H6 can reach 200-300k no problems at all. You’ll pay for it at the pumps though, 21mpg mixed town & motorway avg on all seasons. Such a smooth turbine like engine.

Ours was killed by the rust though cry , check under plastic arch & seal covers is my advise or go for a fresh JDM import and have it properly rust proofed yourself. Rust proofing from factory is poor, think marginally better than a Lancia and you’re on the right lines.


Brynjaminjones

120 posts

154 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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I'd happily have any of these, although I particularly like the Legacy.

Is that Forester an ex-Police vehicle? It seems to have aftermarket lights on the front bumper and hidden in the grille.

Matt_T

1,297 posts

105 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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Brynjaminjones said:
Is that Forester an ex-Police vehicle? It seems to have aftermarket lights on the front bumper and hidden in the grille.
...and at the back above the registration plate.

Matt_T

1,297 posts

105 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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Can anyone comment on whether the boxer diesels are reliable and if they are cheaper road tax than the petrols?

S100HP

13,811 posts

198 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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Matt_T said:
Can anyone comment on whether the boxer diesels are reliable and if they are cheaper road tax than the petrols?
They are awful. Rather unreliable I believe. Plus it's diesel. Urgh.

Evil.soup

4,047 posts

236 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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I have driven a variety of imprezas, a wagon classic N/A, a bug WRX, blob Prodrive WRX which felt manic and a hawk Sti.

I have own and loved a 2006 WRX hawkeye and after over 100,000 miles it is still going strong. After almost 17 years of ownership I can't see me ever parting with it.

Driving it these days feels so raw compared with more modern cars I have owned and with just under 300hp it can keep up with pretty much anything old or new on a damp B road.

It seems to be climbing in value too so it makes the investment to keep it tip top worth while.

ruairi50

271 posts

195 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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On sale since March was priced at £5490

anonymous-user

85 months

Saturday 17th September 2022
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andy43 said:
Had 3 Forester Turbos and a Legacy. Probably almost time for another one...
Same here. Sold last one by mistake. Ready for another.