RE: Hero-grade BMW 850 CSi for sale
RE: Hero-grade BMW 850 CSi for sale
Tuesday 4th October 2022

Hero-grade BMW 850 CSi for sale

The 1980s - a time of excess. And thank God, too, because it gave us the excessive but wonderful 850 CSi


Why didn’t the BMW 8 Series – the original one – earn quite the respect it deserved? And it did deserve it, because it was a fantastic-looking car in its day, and just keeps getting more and more head-turnery as time marches on. Especially when it’s presented with some key attributes like this one: black metallic paint, stunning BBS split-rim multi-spokes, two-tone leather. Oh yes, and a V12 stoked by you, using a stick. The 850 CSi is a magnificent beast.

The E31 has that oh-so ‘80s look but it’s not brash. It’s surprisingly subtle for the decade of excess, and slippery. The 8 Series’ drag coefficient was just 0.29, which meant it was the ultimate Autobahn barnstormer. And while the Alpina B12, sporting a 420hp 5.7-litre V12 with manual ‘box was the ultimate variant, the 850 CSi is not to be dismissed. It’s a phenomenal and rare example of the breed – just 1,510 made it off the line.

It has so much to savour. The wedge shape as you walk up to it; the enveloping interior as you get in; and the quiet hiss before the storm – when you click the ignition through those initial notches and the fuel pumps begin to prime. And then you go that extra stage. The final click round to energise the starter, and you listen; listen as that classic, unmistakable V12 cranking action begins. It’s smoother than any other cylinder configuration, with its 12 compression points evening out the peaks and troughs, so it whirrs wonderfully, and then… Then it fires (well, hopefully).

The V12 in the CSi was the same format as the regular 850i. But it was tuned so much that BMW gave it its own engine code; it changed from the M70 to S70 - in this case, the S70B56. It was originally intended to power an M8, but in the end that idea was scrapped due to a lack of demand. The S70B56 only ever went into the 850 CSi, but it did, of course, spawn developments – the most notable of which was the S70/2 that featured in the McLaren F1.

It was a cutting-edge piece of design. The M70 engine had switched to hydraulic tappets, a timing chain to improve durability, and it was all aluminium to reduce weight. And it sported the latest Bosch electronics, including accurate mass airflow sensors measuring the air being sucked into each induction branch and a drive-by-wire throttle instead of a cable. But the S70 went even further.

BMW used lighter pistons, a forged crankshaft, and higher-lift cams, which along with its less restrictive exhaust and intake, improved the engine’s breathing considerably. And the S70 was bored and stroked to raise the displacement from 5.0-litres to 5.6, topped off by a higher compression ratio. It wasn’t quite the 6.0-litre, 640hp monster promised for the stillborn M8, but the development was still so significant that it earned that ‘S’ designation. Power jumped from 295hp (in the 850i) to 375hp, with torque boosted considerably to 406lb ft.

There were plenty of mechanical upgrades beyond just the engine. The 850 CSi came with stiffer and lower springs, improved dampers, and it launched BMW’s active rear axle kinematics – electro-hydraulic rear-wheel steering. At the front end, the recirculating ball steering was also quicker, and it came with bigger ventilated discs, more cooling for the engine and diff, and better aerodynamics. The front and rear bumpers were redesigned to make the car more slippery, as did its bespoke door mirrors. And those, along with the four, round, stainless steel exhaust pipes poking out of the bumper, became the M-car motifs we know so well today.

Beyond that lot, what made the 850 CSi so special was that you could only buy it with a six-speed manual gearbox. And what better way to enjoy that very special V12 experience than a manual shift? That’s why the 850 CSi is the 8 Series that did earn respect in its day, and continues to do so now.


Specification | BMW 850 CSi

Engine: 5,576cc, V12, naturally aspirated
Transmission: six-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 375 @ 5,300rpm
Torque (lb ft): 406lb ft @ 4,000rpm
CO2: N/A
MPG: N/A
Recorded mileage: 135,000
Year registered: 1994
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £69,995

See the original advert here

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anonymous-user

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84 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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I always loved the shape of this car, and when you compare it to the dross BMW is churning out nowadays from a design perspective you wonder what the heck they are smoking. This looks classy and sporty all in one go.

Six Potter

5,987 posts

243 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Loving this. The V12 manual factor is certainlty something to savour, and this example in black and sitting low on the BBS lattice rims just looks spot on.

The early-mid ninties period is a winner for me, what a sweet spot, love many motors from that era.

rossub

6,037 posts

220 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Never noticed before, but the rear light clusters are mahoosive.

Cold

16,736 posts

120 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Someone should point out the typo in the price. They've accidentally set it at £70k.

P. ONeill

1,455 posts

82 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Hell of a car but £70k is madness. I can think of a lot better places to park 70 grand.

LARK F1 GTR

4,601 posts

176 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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That price can't be right!!??

anonymous-user

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84 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Loved it when it came out and it's just got better and better looking with age. I would have guessed about 15-20k though lol!

Six Potter

5,987 posts

243 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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The price does seem on the mad side of things, it doesn't seem like too long ago when this would have been a lot closer to £7k not £70k.

Saying that, no manufacturer is going to be making many more manual V12's like this, the rarity and novelty does give it a strong value.

paradigital

1,109 posts

182 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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I don’t recall a time the 850CSI was ever really cheap to be honest. 840i and 850i sure, but CSI, nope.

Not sure where they bottomed out, but I seem to recall it being a fair bit higher than £7k!

satfinal

2,625 posts

192 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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I was expecting over 100k honestly

the ultimate BMW couple IMO

hairykrishna

14,529 posts

233 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Yeah, they never got that low. You could get a really decent, boggo 850 for 5 grand though. My housemate bought one and it was a brilliant thing. Cost him an absolute fortune when it went wrong though

Six Potter

5,987 posts

243 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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paradigital said:
Not sure where they bottomed out, but I seem to recall it being a fair bit higher than £7k!
Fair point that I'm exaggerating with the £7k figure for a CSI manual, but I do seem to remember 850's getting right down in price, they were well under £10k back in the day.

This article mentions Hammond buying a 54k mile 850Ci for £6.7k on a 2011 Top Gear episode for example.
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/i-bought-the-chea...

mersontheperson

732 posts

195 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Rather have a Porsche 928 GTS for that price

Sion111R

423 posts

122 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Bloody hell. How much!

Maxus

1,250 posts

211 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Fantastic cars and a CSi is quite a different car from the Ci's that historically popped up for £5k. I'm sure there was an old Petrolicious video of a guy with one of these. Sounded superb.

Old Colonel cars have a 95 model CSi with 105k on it. That's up for £55k. I guess you'd need to inspect both to see where the £15k variance comes from.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

84 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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hairykrishna said:
Yeah, they never got that low. You could get a really decent, boggo 850 for 5 grand though. My housemate bought one and it was a brilliant thing. Cost him an absolute fortune when it went wrong though
I imagine a relatively small niggle would effectively write it off fairly easily!

Six Potter

5,987 posts

243 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Maxus said:
Fantastic cars and a CSi is quite a different car from the Ci's that historically popped up for £5k. I'm sure there was an old Petrolicious video of a guy with one of these. Sounded superb.

Old Colonel cars have a 95 model CSi with 105k on it. That's up for £55k. I guess you'd need to inspect both to see where the £15k variance comes from.
Yes fair point about the CSI being quite a different car. I'm the sort of guy who buys the cheaper one.

DeanHelix

135 posts

185 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Always liked the 8 series and the number plate spells "MUKK", which amuses me. But £70k seems a bit much for 135,000 miles on a complicated (and nearly 30-year old) V12.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

84 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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Magnificent car, ultimate 80s cross continent cruiser....

Just curious what sort of MPG you'd get , anyone any experience running that engine?

cerb4.5lee

45,041 posts

210 months

Tuesday 4th October 2022
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These are definitely right up there as one of my all time favourite BMWs for sure. I love absolutely everything about them(especially the manual/V12 combo), and I remember seeing the odd one out on the roads when they were new. I was in heaven. cloud9