RE: Honda Accord Type R | The Brave Pill
RE: Honda Accord Type R | The Brave Pill
Saturday 12th November 2022

Honda Accord Type R | The Brave Pill

Time to open wide and say R?


Back in the distant past of 2019, when Corona was a Mexican beer and TikTok was the noise a cartoon bomb made, I tried to make the case that a car wearing a Honda badge could also be a Brave Pill. That was an S2000, and despite it having covered an impressive 158,000 miles the general consensus was that its Hondaness made it barely more risky than a used approved Volvo. Which is why the bar has been raised a bit further for the second Pill to wear the melted H badge.

Yes, it’s an Accord Type R, one that seems to have lost a fight with a chicken run at some point in the past to judge from its silvery front end, and is also sporting a set of blacked-out taillights that some will regard as a crime against taste. But the courageous stuff comes from other areas, the most obvious being an odometer that stands on the cusp of passing through the double ton. Is anyone going to try and argue that a 196,000-mile VTEC is barely run-in?

While the Civic Type R has become a long-running international franchise that has become faster and more exciting as the years have passed, the Accord Type R was a one-hit wonder – in Europe at least. Although it was the first Type R officially sold in the UK it was a marketing exercise as much as an engineering one, an attempt to lend some much-needed excitement to the CH1 generation Accord. A car that, in its more basic forms, was about as thrilling as watching magnolia paint dry.

The Type R added spice by upgrading both sides of the Accord’s power-to-weight ratio. The left of the equation was improved by the unlikely fitment of a variably timed 2.2-litre VTEC engine which delivered a peak of 217hp at a zingy 7,200rpm – a chunky upgrade over the 145hp 2.0-litre version that sat below it in the hierarchy. The other side of the scale was lightened with a level of stripping you normally have to squeeze past musclebound bouncers to experience, or pay £100 for a bottle of warm champagne. The Type R lost most of its sound deadening, the boot shed its trim and it was even denuded of electric rear windows. It gained a sizeable rear spoiler, 17-inch alloys and NSX-derived brakes. The net result was an official 1,306kg kerbweight, more than 100kg less than the V6-powered Vauxhall Vectra GSI and Ford Mondeo ST200 which were aimed at the same ‘BTCC replica’ bit of the market.

Yet the Type R was a much more focussed car than either of those alternatives, or indeed any other front-driven saloon available at the time. The Accord was raw and viscerally exciting, especially given the challenge of keeping the engine above the 5,500rpm point where its cam profiles shift to their more aggressive mode. At which point the VTEC really did kick in, yo. Keeping the racy motor in its happy place was made tricky by the fact the manual gearbox only had five ratios, making it easy to drop into the torqueless hinterland between these.

Driven hard the Type R was great, thanks to accurate steering and a chassis balance that was crisp and exploitable for any performance car, let alone one that happened to be a four-door repbox. But at more normal speeds the Accord was, in truth, fairly miserable – something I realised when I unwisely chose an early press car for a long motorway schlep. The Type R’s ride was lumpy, its cabin was loud, and the low-rent interior seemed to be mostly made from grey plastics that were rattling even in a brand-new press car. It’s hard to imagine refinement will have been improved much by two trips around the odometer.

The Type R also seemed to be the answer to a question that few people were asking, to judge from the fact that fewer than 2,000 were built across four years. (A Japanese ‘Euro R’ also combined a slightly more powerful version of the powertrain with the JDM Accord bodyshell from the period, so there were more Accord Type Rs than that meagre total.) In Britain, the R got cheap quickly and - being a Honda - was tough enough to withstand both abuse and cut-price ownership pretty well.

But even the youngest and freshest examples are now past their 20th birthdays, and they weren’t better at resisting rust than any of the lesser Hondas from the period. Beyond the strong likelihood of crunchy gearbox synchros in early pre-facelift cars, the biggest risk for any Type R these days is going to be corrosion – a point brought home when I wrote a story featuring one a few years ago and the owner admitted to having recently spent more than £5,000 on rot-related repairs; almost all of what the car was worth.

Of course, by the scary standards of Brave Pill bills, a five grand bill isn’t even a snackette, let alone a hors d’oeuvre – but there will also be the challenge of sourcing increasingly rare parts when things do break or wear out. Our Pill is a pre-facelift car that was first registered in March 2000 with the selling dealer promising the reassurance of a “six month engine and gearbox warranty” – although these are arguably the parts that are least likely to go wrong. The MOT history shows that the car’s rate of mileage acquisition was heavily loaded into the first half of its life – it had passed 170,000 miles as long ago as 2011. It was then off the road, or outside the MOT system, for six years before being recommissioned in 2017.

While there is nothing too scary in the online record, 2019’s pass came with an advisory for corrosion, although this not being severe enough to affect structural rigidity. Two clean passes since then suggest this has been either fixed or successfully hidden, but given the Accord’s rep for rustiness, any potential buyers would be advised to give it a once-over. Followed by a twice-over. The current MOT runs out in December, too – but the vendor is promising to screw on another one. It should be similarly easy to unscrew the nasty-looking mesh insert in the lower bumper and swap the murdered-out rear lights.

For £4,995 you can’t really grumble too hard. Our Pill is the only Type R currently in the Classifieds, with the only cheaper example in the wider, non-PH world being a £4,950 car that looks shiny but which is being sold as an ongoing project without an MOT. Beyond the need to standardise its appearance, this one seems both usable and fairly priced, especially considering the rising values of some of its considerably less rare Civic sisters. This is a Type R the whole family can enjoy, or possibly endure.


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Sandpit Steve

Original Poster:

15,370 posts

104 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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That’s not brave, it’s barely run in!

nismo48

7,180 posts

237 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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Ha very true..it's been used and is still fighting fit..!! Bring on the next chapter wink

Dr Mike Oxgreen

4,466 posts

195 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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£5k for a Barried, 20-year-old Accord that’s done nearly 200k?

Five thousand? Really?!

Venom

1,864 posts

289 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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Wouldn’t say it looks that molested, daft rear lights and that grill aside.

I’d be much more concerned about what might be hiding underneath. The headliner looks like it’s going to need to attention too!

paradigital

1,109 posts

182 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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Dr Mike Oxgreen said:
£5k for a Barried, 20-year-old Accord that’s done nearly 200k?

Five thousand? Really?!
Indeed. Should be priced keenly enough to have featured as a Shed of the Week, not a Brave Pill.

ChrisCh86

1,133 posts

74 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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There aren't many of these left, so the dealer can really price it however they want - it's hard to find another!

I've always liked these, but I suspect most would be better off with the newer EP3 Civic Type R (~£6k), as unfortunately the OG (EK9) Civic Type R now counts as a classic and is very expensive now - if you can find one (closer to £20k)

aestivator

265 posts

60 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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More crap than brave really.

James-l4h2w

21 posts

115 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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Lol, who’s going to buy one of these without the seller including pictures of the bulkhead?

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

203 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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paradigital said:
Dr Mike Oxgreen said:
£5k for a Barried, 20-year-old Accord that’s done nearly 200k?

Five thousand? Really?!
Indeed. Should be priced keenly enough to have featured as a Shed of the Week, not a Brave Pill.
Yep, no where near cheap enough

FlukePlay

1,196 posts

175 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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As the owner of a 14 year old CRV, owned for the last 11 years and with few issues other general wear and tear, this Pill doesn't seem brave at all. Honda of that era are pretty solid, reliable machines but this thing is overpriced. Today's Honda comes way down in the JD Power Dependability list...

wpa1975

14,784 posts

144 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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Dr Mike Oxgreen said:
£5k for a Barried, 20-year-old Accord that’s done nearly 200k?

Five thousand? Really?!
Agreed, utter madness.



J4CKO

46,986 posts

230 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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Err, extra zero sneaked on the price along the way, it’s says 5000, must be a typo.

What a ropey looking old thing, nearly 200k just to sweeten the deal.

Must be some kind of weird Honda scene tax or Covid hangover pricing ?

It should be a SOTW, not a brave pill.

d_a_n1979

13,880 posts

102 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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Great cars in their time but not now unless you're an enthusiast!

- They fizz in the rain
- Have 5th gear synchro issues that if haven't been addressed will need to be addressed, or readdressed
- If driven hard it'll need plenty of suspension & clutch work etc

If you wanted to buy a car to turn into a weekend track car then absolutely; they handle superbly and they're not slow...

But other than that, no thanks...

Dombilano

1,463 posts

85 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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De-barried it looks OK. On the surface.

But 200k miles and not the best rust proofing record makes my eye twitch.

Worth a punt at shed money, £5k is just too much for a car that may only last 18 months

Pflanzgarten

7,691 posts

55 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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ChrisCh86 said:
There aren't many of these left, so the dealer can really price it however they want - it's hard to find another!
I’ve never understood this argument, what’s harder, finding another or two people who want to spend £5k on one of them?

Water Fairy

6,641 posts

185 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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The only bravery needed is telling people you paid 5k for it

FlukePlay

1,196 posts

175 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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Slightly off on a tangent but is it just me or do other members see interesting ads on the PH forum?




joropug

3,071 posts

219 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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Would be rude not to share some photos of mine wouldn’t it. Owned it in 2008 , was about £5500 I think.

Mine was a Pre Facelift (so much better looking) but was painted in Night Hawk Black, which was a facelift colour so far as I can tell. So must have been on the changeover.

Mine had the 5th gear synchro crunch when I bought it , repaired during my ownership.

It was on 170k 2 years ago but must be off the road currently on it’s old registration









Sr.Gringo

498 posts

119 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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BRAVE? A Honda, for 5K?

If this is your idea of risk taking, then I suppose the most dangerous thing you've done today is get out of bed.

A brave pill for the most super nervous laugh

LucyP

1,773 posts

89 months

Saturday 12th November 2022
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paradigital said:
Dr Mike Oxgreen said:
£5k for a Barried, 20-year-old Accord that’s done nearly 200k?

Five thousand? Really?!
Indeed. Should be priced keenly enough to have featured as a Shed of the Week, not a Brave Pill.
I totally agree with both of you. It's a bizarre article. It's a banger, and it should be priced at banger money. Imagine the price of parts for it, assuming that you can find them, probably Japan only plus courier and import duty and long delays. Having spent £5k, you would have to buy the parts, rather than scrap it, if it was banger money.

Autocar featured one back in March. Unbarried, nearly half the miles (and they called it high mileage), 2 owners, £6K

It's a 209 bhp car 0-60 in 7.2. Handles well. That's all.

£5k buys you a 2005 330 M Sport with 166K miles. 3.0, 6, not a 2.2, 4.