RE: Better than a Lambo Huracan? | PH Footnote
RE: Better than a Lambo Huracan? | PH Footnote
Sunday 13th November 2022

Better than a Lambo Huracan? | PH Footnote

Call John mad all you like - but he can't be alone in loving the old-school Citroeness of a C5 Aircross...


Writing about cars comes with many privileges. One of which is the conveyor belt of new models being delivered to your doorstep on a weekly basis. It’s a remarkable luxury but comes at a price. You inevitably lose the excitement of getting in a new car – savouring that new-car smell, the delight of sifting through the manual and learning how it all works, and the pleasure of marking your territory by filling up the pockets with the personal effects that make it your own.

It becomes an automated process. You don’t notice the smell anymore, you objectively run through the features ready to critique them, and you travel light – usually with nothing more than a charging cable and a pair of sunglasses to swap between steeds. There’s little attachment, too. Good or bad, cars become transient. You get used to waving off the great ones with barely a second glance, and, when it comes to the stinkers, there’s the relief of knowing you won’t have to endure them for long. Then lockdown happened, and this game of automotive musical chairs suddenly stopped.

Back in 2020, every road tester looked out of their window to see what parcel they’d been left holding. One of my colleagues at that time was left holding a Lamborghini Huracan, which you'd have to say is a pretty long straw. What had I been left with? A Citroen C5 Aircross. And here’s why I was the winner. Now, at this point you’re thinking it makes no difference: it was lockdown; you couldn’t drive anywhere. True, but there were errands to run, like going to the supermarket, and that’s not really the Huracan’s forte.

Plus, I did have to drive. Quite a lot actually. I have a farm in Wales and, as an essential business, this meant I was doing a round trip of over 300 miles in a day every couple of weeks to check on its operation. The Huracan’s not the best car for that sort of caper, either, whereas the C5 was a delight. Granted, you’re probably thinking a stodgy C5 SUV is about as PH as the Sinclair three-wheeler with which it shares a name - but let me try to politely persuade you why you’re wrong. And I'm not being haughty about this: I took the opportunity to check my marbles were still in place by booking in a couple of post-facelift models to make sure. And yes, I am still convinced the C5 is PH certified.

Why? Because PH is about interesting cars, right? Certainly, no one is going to deny that old-school Citroens qualify as interesting, and to me the C5 gets pretty close to delivering some of that bygone Citroen charm. I know it doesn’t have swivelly headlights that can see around corners, or hydropneumatic suspension for an elasticated ride, but it has got progressive hydraulic bump stops. They're worth talking about. They make the C5 a big sponge pudding on wheels, which is bloody marvellous if you like that sort of thing. And in the right car, I do.

After all, it's one of the reasons why folk have been championing the latest Range Rover. That has a gracefully lolloping ride just like the C5's, but the C5 goes one better. It doesn’t thud as badly as the Rangie over sharped-edged stuff, which makes its ride more complete in my book. You have to put up with a bit of sway on motorways, because it obviously doesn’t have the Range Rover’s sophisticated 48-volt anti-roll control system, but I can live with that. Is it awful in corners? Yes, but only if you’ve come straight from a sharper-handling rival like the VW Tiguan. If you accept that the C5 isn’t a B-road blaster, which it most certainly isn't, it’s okay. There’s lots of body lean, sure, and it has lower limits than its rivals, but the technicalities of its handling are fine. The steering isn’t vague and the grip it musters is spread evenly front to rear, which means it’s stress-free to steer and doesn’t do anything untoward.

To go with its squishy ride, you sit up relatively high on fantastically squishy seats; wide, comfortable chairs that Citroen calls its Advanced Comfort seats. The blurb says these are ‘composed of high-density foam in the core of the seat, with an extra 15mm layer of foam and a specific structure’. If that sounds like pure PR balderdash, for once it stands up to scrutiny. I love ‘em. Allied to this, the C5 is also a remarkably hushed cruiser for something that doesn’t come with a premium badge and price tag. Really, there’s hardly any road noise and…dare I say it…less wind noise than the Range Rover with its fancy noise-cancelling system. That might have something to do with all C5s coming with an acoustic laminated windscreen, and laminated side windows if you go for the mid-range trim.

My lockdown special came with the 1.2 Puretech 130 and an EAT8 auto ‘box. That’s a better setup than the latest C5 I tried with the same engine and a six-speed manual. To be fair, the change itself is reasonably light and easygoing, but the clutch is poor thanks to a wishy-washy bite point. The motor itself is fine, though. It doesn’t equip the C5 Aircross with mighty speed, but, for such a tiny-tot triple, it musters a decent smattering of shove from around 2,000rpm. In the real world that makes it fast enough. My engineer mate, Pete, would say it has too much lugging boom, which is that low-frequency rumble you get when the engine's under load with few revs, but once you’re past that any engine noise mostly shrinks into the background.

I also drove the latest plug-in hybrid version. Obviously, that doesn’t have any lugging boom – not when it's skulking around on electric, anyway – and it’s a damn sight quicker with a 180hp 1.6 plus another 100hp-odd from the e-motor. Mind you, I can’t put an actual number on that because the 0-62mph time is TBC in the brochure, which is odd for a car that exists. The extra pace is certainly noticeable, though, although neither it, nor its circa 25 miles of EV range, wouldn't be enough to tempt me to go part-electric due to the negatives: the slightly poorer ride, some driveline shunt and the £7,755 price hike over the petrol. The best option if you want more real-world pace with economy is probably the diesel, but championing that will get my name jotted down in a little black book somewhere and I’ll be shot when the revolution comes.

Speaking of price, how about this for affordable: just under £27,000 buys you the Puretech petrol in entry-level Sense trim, which is far from an empty Nissen hut on wheels. It has keyless entry, dual-zone climate, front and rear parking sensors and a rear camera to name some of the highlights. A mid-spec model with even more toys is only £1,000 more. For once, surely that negates any of the 'It's way too pricey' quips in the comments? Now have a guess how much the most basic five-seat Skoda Kodiaq costs? No, you're wrong - way more than that. It’s fifteen quid shy of £33,500 - and Skodas are meant to be a value brand remember. Fair enough, the Kodiaq has some much nicer materials inside, but despite far too much hard plastic spread around the C5's interior it feels solid and, somehow, it manages to look classier than it should thanks to a few choice materials in a few well-chosen places. The Kodiaq has roomier rear seats, too, but the C5 isn’t cramped in the back and all three rear seats slide and fold individually, so it's immensely flexible. The boot is massive, too.

See, I'm not going bonkers, am I? But at the same time, I’m not pretending the C5 will suit everyone. I talk to colleagues who look aghast when I say how much I like this car, and I completely get where they’re coming from. It’s the ride, mainly, because you’ll either love or loathe how soft it is. We all have our personal preferences, and if you want something geared towards the sporty spectrum the C5 really isn’t for you. But if you fancy something that goes about its business differently, that bumbles along in a soothing fashion – you know, like an old-school Citroen – all I am saying is the C5 Aircross is one to look at. Oh, yes, and to reassure you, I was being flippant by suggesting a Lamborghini Huracan wouldn't make a fantastic longtermer. Of course, it would, albeit for very different reasons. Nevertheless, sticking fuel in it would've bankrupted me, while the trusty Citroen averaged a handy 40mpg.

Nothing brings me more pleasure than being pleasantly surprised by a car that I didn't expect to be that good. And for all the above reasons, I was surprised by the C5 and found myself quite attached to it in the end. That's why it got a rare honour: a second glance as it left.


 

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mersontheperson

Original Poster:

732 posts

195 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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I’m on board, had a few Citroens in the past and can completely understand the affection

Oso

241 posts

181 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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Good for you John

And your article gets a rare honour: one I didn’t expect to enjoy much but I ended up reading every word from beginning to end and with a growing smile on my face.

jhonn

1,707 posts

179 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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Yes, an enjoyable read - and a refreshingly real world point-of-view.

Kawasicki

14,404 posts

265 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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jhonn said:
Yes, an enjoyable read - and a refreshingly real world point-of-view.
My real world involves driving with the door handles scraping the road, so what real world entails varies between people.

Harry Flashman

21,931 posts

272 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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I had one of these as a rental in the Alps and absolutely loved it. Far more charming than the Skoda I had in our next trip.

Your article reminds me of the way I feel about our own Nissan Leaf. A car procured as a utility vehicle for a family in London, that has now deeply burrowed its way into all of our affections.

Cheaper cars can be charming. I agree on the Citroen.

Trebor1970

224 posts

50 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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Harry Flashman said:
Your article reminds me of the way I feel about our own Nissan Leaf. A car procured as a utility vehicle for a family in London, that has now deeply burrowed its way into all of our affections.
Same here, we had a weedy 1.6 Qashqai that we still miss. Someone locally bought it, and it brings back great memories of trips to the Highlands and Cornwall when I see it.

Like other posters have said, great article.

hurricane run

42 posts

199 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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Harry Flashman said:
I had one of these as a rental in the Alps and absolutely loved it. Far more charming than the Skoda I had in our next trip.

Your article reminds me of the way I feel about our own Nissan Leaf. A car procured as a utility vehicle for a family in London, that has now deeply burrowed its way into all of our affections.

Cheaper cars can be charming. I agree on the Citroen.
I feel the same way about my Leaf. The perfect suburban car. Costs buttons to run and has a bonkers quirkiness that makes it unique on the roads. Classless too.

DodgyGeezer

49,129 posts

220 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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I liked the article - and I get what is meant when referring to a lovely comfortable ride being a thing to hanker after rather than something with concrete blocks in place of springs. That said, it is a measure of how far things have moved when £28k is considered cheap eek

blearyeyedboy

6,811 posts

209 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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I can understand where John's coming from. I don't think it's for me, though.

I recently ended up with a C3 courtesy car in an odd shade of milky green, so I christened it the Citroën Fungus as I went about my business. It was very comfy around town and acquitted itself well, save for the maddening clutch- my courtesy car was also the 1.2. If I were to spend my own money on one then I'd buy the auto.

That soft suspension swayed a lot on motorways though, which left me feeling nauseous. I've been "car sick" before in many vehicles but never one that I've been driving.

Soft is good in my book but the price of losing reasonable body control was too high for me. Perhaps the bigger bulk of the C5 Aircross means it'll sway a little less but I'd be wary,I think. Others may be very fond if it if they don't go on longer or faster journeys very often.

Harry Flashman

21,931 posts

272 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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The ride thing is interesting. I run an Audi SQ7 that has the 48v anti roll tech. It is a very comfortable car, but due to huge wheels (I suspect) the ride in Co Fort is supple and comfortable rather than plush. You notice this on soeedbumps. It corners brilliantly, but as a family car, that is less ineresting to me.

I rejected the Discovery 4 as a family 7 seater for many reasons, but one was that slightly nausea inducing sway at motorway speeds.

But how hard can it be? I also run a 1994 W124 E320 convertible. It willwallow, sure, and is thus no B road warrior, but it is incredibly comfortable at low speed, yet poised and controlled on the motorway. And that is on 17 inch wheels and Sportline suspension - big wheels and tough ride for its period.

Also, the ride in my Nissan Leaf is superb. At all speeds. So it can be done.

I'd love to put smaller wheels on the Audi. The smallest I can go is 20 inch, due to the big brakes. Which at least is a decent reason, as it needs that stopping power.

cerb4.5lee

45,022 posts

210 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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It isn't really my kind of car, but I did really enjoy reading the article/write up though.

blearyeyedboy

6,811 posts

209 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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Also, the ride in my Nissan Leaf is superb. At all speeds. So it can be done.

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Quite. Suggesting that soft, wallowy suspension is the only way to achieve a good ride is lazy.

onlychengy

112 posts

82 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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Great article John, entertaining to read and highlights how we can connect with a car depending on what we need it for.

Had a C5 Aircross as a company car and loved it - comfortable and spacious during lockdown, whilst charming at the same time.

Same with a C4 Cactus diesel which seemed to run on air, the amount of money I saved in fuel costs helped massively during my job relocation.




mcmigo

209 posts

183 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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They are lovely cars for all the reasons set out. Extremely relaxing to move around in . The DS sister the DS7 is just as good, albeit more expensive and lavish inside. Citroen/ DS are ploughing along on this comfort niche in the Stellantis stable, it’s working well.

Water Fairy

6,641 posts

185 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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The C5 isn't for me but the article is refreshing in that it reminds us of the subjectivity of cars and how they can burrow their way into your affection.

I bought my 2004 E46 coupe over 5 years ago purely to do the 60 mile commute to work and back, saving the miles on the bike and the Aero I had at the time.

It has the least desirable engine of any BMW (2.0d), a notchy gear change and poor brakes. But..........

193k on the clock now and an almost belligerent refusal to break down or fail in any way it has got me.

It's worth as much as a used condom on a good day but I don't care. I'm keeping it regardless of what enters the WF garage in the future.

Numeric

1,499 posts

181 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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Water Fairy said:
The C5 isn't for me but the article is refreshing in that it reminds us of the subjectivity of cars and how they can burrow their way into your affection.

I bought my 2004 E46 coupe over 5 years ago purely to do the 60 mile commute to work and back, saving the miles on the bike and the Aero I had at the time.

It has the least desirable engine of any BMW (2.0d), a notchy gear change and poor brakes. But..........

193k on the clock now and an almost belligerent refusal to break down or fail in any way it has got me.

It's worth as much as a used condom on a good day but I don't care. I'm keeping it regardless of what enters the WF garage in the future.
I bought a 525td E39 SE off a mate for 3k some years ago as an emergency car. It had only 80k miles but had been a station car that had also been based in Aberdeen for a while and wore its scars. But golly it was comfy, it floated along and had just enough power but could go for soooo long on a full tank. Sure it was no handler and the dampers were past there best, but I leaned to lollop, a underrated motoring endeavour!

And I stuck another 80k miles on it, it was just the easiest way to Heathrow if I needed to schlep up there and even better at the valet parking I never bothered to walk around and check the car, if all the windows were still in when I got back then I was happy!!

But how do you get rid? They are like the old Labrador that sits farting by the fire... so It's now my brothers and he has promised that if Bertie (yes I named it) goes to the knackers yard, he will make up a story so I don't cry.

Edited by Numeric on Sunday 13th November 19:43

aestivator

265 posts

60 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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Need to be careful with Citroën appreciation - it's all very well liking steering wheels that have a stationary centre, but if you find yourself buying a Cactus you know you've gone off the deep end...

ReverendCounter

6,087 posts

206 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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Kawasicki said:
My real world involves driving with the door handles scraping the road, so what real world entails varies between people.
Cringe, given the context of the comment you're responding to.

tril

377 posts

104 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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Drove one of the pre facelift models around Italy for 1200kms, and I have to say it was a very very pleasant cruiser. Going back to the ride in my C63 was a rather chastening experience, but it also had a decent amount of shove for what it was, plenty of space and comfy seats. I probably wouldn't buy one but can see why someone would.

Eazy71

162 posts

86 months

Sunday 13th November 2022
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I had one of these for a hire car for 3 weeks and spent a lot of time in it. I suppose it’s all about opinions but I felt it summed up everything that’s wrong with the current SUV obsessed car market. It was comfy and spacious but beyond that, utterly forgettable. It had an underpowered small Diesel engine, a really cumbersome stop/start system and handled ponderously. The gear ratios were really odd and it had a lot of large tyre induced road noise. What sticks in the mind most though was the stupidly fiddly and unintuitive “infotainment” system - ludicrously positioned to you kept nudging the short cut buttons when you changed gear. I walked away from it thinking that I’d never spend my own money on a car like this.