RE: Subaru BRZ | Spotted

RE: Subaru BRZ | Spotted

Thursday 17th November 2022

Subaru BRZ | Spotted

The lesser spotted GT86 - or Boxer, Rear-wheel drive, Zenith, officially - looks a more appealing sports car than ever


The new Subaru BRZ isn’t available to buy in the UK. Barring some kind of miracle - or paying an inflated used price - there won’t be opportunity to buy a Toyota GR86 soon, either. Which has made people, understandably, quite cross, given the significant improvements made for the new generation. They want to buy one, and can’t, which isn’t often the case for cars that cost £29,995.

Still, there’s also a certain irony that there’s such clamouring for a small, light, rear-drive, driver-focused coupe when production is limited. Because there was one of those two-doors on sale for almost a decade. It even had a similar back-to-basics interior. And although nobody would claim that old BRZ/GT86 are better sports cars than the GR, a lot of what makes the new 86 great is there in the old 86. Or BRZ, for that matter, at less than half the new Toyota’s remarkably low price tag.

The original Toyobaru twins were celebrated for being pure, simple, rewarding sports car at a time when enthusiasts were only being offered front-wheel drive, which is the same situation the GR86 finds itself in. Only with more SUVs now. The old Subaru and Toyota haven’t suddenly become less-than-stellar driver’s cars just because the latest one has shown up that, yes, the 2.0-litre boxer really was as limp as it seemed. They’ve become intriguing once again (if the appeal ever died away) because what came next is virtually unobtainable.

We’ve plumped for a BRZ here as it’s the much rarer car, with fewer than 1,000 in the UK and something like eight times as many GT86s out there, depending on which bit of the internet you read. And rarity is cool. Plus, well, it’s been fitted with Speedline Corse wheels; not only do they really elevate the BRZ look, they must be a nod to old Imprezas of way back when with similar wheels. And that’s also cool. The infamous Michelin Primacy tyres have gone, though whether a Goodyear EfficientGrip is any better remains to be seen.

Otherwise this is a standard, 2014 BRZ SE Lux, with 64,000 miles, two owners and full Subaru service history from new. More than 10 years ago, PH pitched BRZ against GT86 to establish any meaningful differences between the two. They were actually ever so slightly different to drive, but rest assured both came out of the comparison very well indeed. It’s easy to look back on BRZ and 86 now as a tad underpowered and a bit expensive, which they probably were, but as reminders of simple sports car joys they know no equal. It’s a heck of a lot easier to overlook gripes when paying less money and with the aftermarket’s treasure trove available.

Back in those sweet, innocent days of 2019, the £10k GT86 became a reality. Sadly we’re still not back there, but in the current market £13,995 is competitive for a BRZ like this. You’ll probably want to budget for a more modern infotainment system, but not much else - as might be expected for a Toyota-Subaru collaboration, the BRZ and 86 have proved pretty tough. The world is your oyster when it comes to tuning parts, too, from engine and chassis to brakes and body. In fact, you’ll probably have such a great time making this BRZ your own, the disappointment about a new one will become a distant memory…


SPECIFICATION | SUBARU BRZ

Engine: 1,998cc, flat-four
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 200@7,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 151@6,400-6,600rpm
MPG: 36.2 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 181g/km
First registered: 2014
Recorded mileage: 64,000
Price new: £24,995
Yours for: £13,995

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Andy86GT

Original Poster:

620 posts

79 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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"yes, the 2.0-litre boxer really was as limp as it seemed."

no it isn't, I've had my '86 for nearly 10 years and have no complaints, admittedly the Borla exhaust enhances the experience driving

Dombilano

1,303 posts

69 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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It's like converting Celsius to Fahrenheit on every used car recently, pick a number, double it and add 30.

I'm sure its a good beginner sports car, but a limp boxer engine just makes me think I'd feel short changed, very quickly

cerb4.5lee

36,609 posts

194 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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I've always really liked the BRZ in that nice blue colour that they do, they are rare and I think that I've only actually seen 2 in real life.

The GT86/BRZ are definitely my kind of car. I love a coupe that is front engined/RWD and has a LSD, plus these are a nice size/weight as well. I'd just personally like a bit more punch from them because I've been used to quicker cars in the past though.

fantheman80

1,917 posts

63 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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Gorgeous wheels, looks a great example, but Alan Sugar called, wants his stereo back

anonymous-user

68 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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i like the look of these, but do wonder how many more they would of sold or less with a turbo and that thing putting out 275hp and torque.

TGCOTF-dewey

6,435 posts

69 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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Obviously there is a personal taste thing, but both the subaru and Toyota cars had utterly awful wheels... The diamond cut things were particularly offensive.

I'm sure they would have sold more had they come with less blingy wheels - they were totally out of character on what was a conservatively designed car.

Those look great on that car and really elevate its looks.

big_rob_sydney

3,620 posts

208 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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Anyone aware of a UK workshop that swaps turbo engines into these?

aestivator

254 posts

44 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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So we've already had 'needs a turbo' and 'interior is a bit cheap'... anyone want to offer 'the back seats are useless' so we can make it the full house?

satfinal

2,623 posts

176 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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These (along with the toyota) are more expensive than I thought they would be ~10 years later. Nice cars, don't listen to armchair drag racers

Loplop

1,976 posts

199 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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I still need to have a go of one, but everyone I know that has had a go of one falls into two distinct categories.

The first think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

The second think it's the most overhyped thing in the world.

Turbobanana

7,136 posts

215 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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aestivator said:
So we've already had 'needs a turbo' and 'interior is a bit cheap'... anyone want to offer 'the back seats are useless' so we can make it the full house?
You forgot "how much?!", which has also already featured.

Groaver

70 posts

47 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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I had the blue one. I loved it's looks, the seating position (spot on) and it's steering feel.
As a daily driver I came to resent the engine's lack of torque.
It didn't sound particularly good either.
It was a good car awaiting a better engine, not necessarily turbo'd.

supacool1

676 posts

193 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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big_rob_sydney said:
Anyone aware of a UK workshop that swaps turbo engines into these?
Tuning Development and Fensport do kits for these....

CedricN

838 posts

159 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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Andy86GT said:
"yes, the 2.0-litre boxer really was as limp as it seemed."

no it isn't, I've had my '86 for nearly 10 years and have no complaints, admittedly the Borla exhaust enhances the experience driving
Agree, its pretty good, torqier than pretty much any other 2l engine out there, and revs out to 7k when needed, not spectacular in any way, but i dont think its bad either.


Loplop said:
I still need to have a go of one, but everyone I know that has had a go of one falls into two distinct categories.

The first think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

The second think it's the most overhyped thing in the world.
Try one, if you are interested in driving they are brilliant. Great steering feel, massively easy to control at the limit or sliding, nice seating position, feels light and agile, good shifting feel (unless cold), pretty sharp handling out of the box. Apart from lotuses and similar cars I couldnt find a more fun daily car among fairly modern cars, so i bought one, even though im late in the game smile All friends i handed it to so far thinks its great fun (even though we all have faster cars in our stables), but they are also driving enthusiast, not soft touch knobs and traffic light racing smile

Ride is rough on the early cars though, i changed my dampers to 2019 dampers which made a massive difference. Next up might be some slightly more exhaust noise smile





cerb4.5lee

36,609 posts

194 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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Loplop said:
I still need to have a go of one, but everyone I know that has had a go of one falls into two distinct categories.

The first think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

The second think it's the most overhyped thing in the world.
Same and I still need a go in one. I think that if I'd never experienced a car with a turbo engine(I absolutely loved my mildly tuned S14 200SX for example), I'd be all over one of these or the GT86 for sure.

Pretty much every review that I've read has commented on the engine in both good and bad ways. So reading between the lines I do think that the engine is arguably a bit of a weak link in these. Toyota have improved the engine in the GR86 too, so I'd imagine that if the engine was fine in the first place then they would've left it alone perhaps?

I've always loved how small and compact these look when I've stood next to them at car shows, and they definitely make me want to just jump in and drive them. driving

HardMiles

384 posts

100 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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I drove the Toyata equivalent as soon as they came out, stepped out of my then 25 year old 635csi and wow, what a bag of poo! They're so woefully underpowered there was just no way!

Add to that the fact that the "leather" interior upgrade was like a nursing home spec, with a cover that zipped up the back of the front seats & the cup holder broke on the test drive, it left a lot to be desired!

Hopped back into the old tank and was a much happier man! smile

CABC

5,936 posts

115 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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Loplop said:
I still need to have a go of one, but everyone I know that has had a go of one falls into two distinct categories.

The first think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

The second think it's the most overhyped thing in the world.
yep, driver's versus soft touch fascias aficionados.

most modern cars are supreme dailies but as feelsome as a tank, but that's what most want. It's good that the Japanese offer some choice.
All cars have flaws, but the Toyburu's trigger many people.

Matt_T

816 posts

88 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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I've often wondered what the market reception would be if this was offered with the 1.6t 3 cyl from the Yaris GR Four - 276 bhp in the Yaris and 300 bhp in the Corolla.

Would that have overcome the criticism of the boxer 4 which I understand feels underpowered at lower revs?

Maybe the problem they had is that the GT86 / BRZ was designed and built by Subaru so the Toyota 3 cyl wouldn't fit?

Edited by Matt_T on Thursday 17th November 10:29

nismo48

5,122 posts

221 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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A work colleague had an early 13 plate brand new in Black..
Never let him down over many years.
Had a few goes in it and it was ok without being too lary..
Interior a bit bland and low rent but practical and functional..
For me the looks are quite plain but overall a good package for the money.. wink

J4CKO

44,140 posts

214 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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That looks good in that colour on those wheels.

Problem is, not that they are that slow, 0-60 is six and a half seconds ?

Its just we have all become accustomed to more power, but more importantly loads of low down torque. I know I have, and always liken getting into something like this as a can of normal strength beer after a can of Special Brew.

We arent used to working the engine and gearbox to deliver power, its just there with a slight flex of the right foot, a Golf TDI will feel way faster even though it isnt on paper.

Its why I didnt buy a Clio 182, it felt flat as a fart after Turbo stuff. Its weird as I still see stuff like Mk1 Golf GTI's as fast and torquey, but I expect it would feel lame now after a 300 ish bhp turbo with 280 lb/ft at 3000 rpm.