RE: Incredibly rare Ascari Ecosse GT for sale
RE: Incredibly rare Ascari Ecosse GT for sale
Sunday 11th December 2022

Incredibly rare Ascari Ecosse GT for sale

A piece of British supercar history, for the price of a 911 GTS


Never let it be said that Britain’s automotive industry doesn’t try. The history of car making here is littered with scores of manufacturers desperate to make their mark on the global sports car scene, confident the same mistakes made by others won’t be repeated - and then repeating them in glorious, tailspin-style. You probably have a favourite in the bunch. But it should also be said that some unforgettable sports cars have been made along the way.  

Ascari is one of the special few blessed with abundant potential that struggled to make it. The advert for this amazing Ecosse GT puts it succinctly: “The car was pitched at the connoisseur who wanted a track-based supercar that could be driven on the road… but as often with British low-volume sports cars, budget-capped ambitions.” Funnily enough, the description of that driver accurately sums up the man who became central to the Ascari story in the 1990s - Klaas Zwart.  

A successful Dutch gentleman racer who’d made his money in Scottish oil (told you), he wanted a GT1 race car to compete in British GT. The mid-90s was a great time for production-based sportscar racing, before it all got a bit silly with cars like the Toyota GT-One and Mercedes CLK GTR. Anyway, Zwart wanted a McLaren F1 - who wouldn’t - but couldn’t stomach the £750k asking price. The Ascari came up as one of the alternatives and, the British sports car industry being what it is, the Dutchman soon found himself buying the entire company and the rights to the car with it.

The racer at that time was called the FGT. It was designed by Lee Noble, in fact, and the original concept was powered by a Chevy V8. One was built with Ford power, which meant Zwart could race it in the 1995 British GT season; there were podium finishes in its first season, and it continued to keep up during 1996 and 1997. Which is no mean feat for a one-off.  

It was after 1997 that the decision was made to create roadgoing variants of the FGT, to be called Ecosse. A Hartge-fettled BMW V8 in two states of tune went in the middle where the Chevy and Ford engines has been. In best Brit bruiser fashion, it was seriously powerful - 400hp with the larger engine - and not very heavy, at just 1,250kg, which meant it was nothing if not fast. It’s said an Ecosse could reach 200mph. 

There were plans (as ever) to build a few Ecosses each year, though it’s believed only 16 road cars were ever completed. This is a particularly special Ascari, as it’s the car featured on both the 1999 British motor show stand and in the Top Gear review with Tiff Needell. Back then P29 BNR was banana yellow, fast as hell, and a bit of a handful judging by the number of spins… 

Following that, the Ascari was further developed by the factory, painted Ecosse Blue, fitted with an even more powerful, 5.0-litre version of the V8 and used to preview an updated race car. As such it contains a distinctly motorsport interior, with harnesses, buckets and cage still in place. It’s going to be a wild ride, surely. 

Ascari Ecosse number six is now available for £120,000; its original asking price of £90,000 is almost £160k in today’s money. Despite its busy early years, the mileage is negligible, and though the car has clearly lived a life it still presents really smartly. You’re still guaranteed to turn heads, put it that way, in the best tradition of wild and wacky British sports cars. You could spend a lot more than this for a lot less attention… 


See the original advert here


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GreatScott2016

Original Poster:

2,566 posts

118 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Unusual indeed. Can't help thinking that the profile looks uncomfortably odd!? confused

Johnspex

5,279 posts

214 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Why are these low-volume cars always so ungainly and ugly? Do designers who can put together a handsome car cost a fortune to hire?

pycraft

1,500 posts

214 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Johnspex said:
Why are these low-volume cars always so ungainly and ugly? Do designers who can put together a handsome car cost a fortune to hire?
I think it's because those beautiful lithe shapes require a monocoque rather than a spaceframe with a body stuck to the outside of it. But when the monocoque structure is stressed it needs a lot of calculation and modelling (pre-FEA) to get right - taking up a lot of development money. So they go for the much-easier-to-engineer spaceframe chassis made up of a set of truss members (which you can calculate the stresses for on paper). Could be wrong.

mike74

3,687 posts

162 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Looks like a Mclaren F1 replica constructed in a poorly lit shed.

Alorotom

12,788 posts

217 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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mike74 said:
Looks like a Mclaren F1 replica constructed in a poorly lit shed.
I was thinking more some tried to one-up a Noble M10

Equus

16,980 posts

131 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Alorotom said:
I was thinking more some tried to one-up a Noble M10
That's because:

as the article said:
It was designed by Lee Noble
... So that's precisely what he was trying to do (and why it looks so ungainly: Lee was/is a brilliant chassis engineer, but aesthetically his designs have always been rather challenging).

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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I like the looks its a yes please from me i bet that is epic to drive !

ChevronB19

9,192 posts

193 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Might be the pictures, but it looks very high off the ground?

wpa1975

14,779 posts

144 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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That looks awful.

Louis Balfour

28,176 posts

252 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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wpa1975 said:
That looks awful.
I think it looks pretty good. Riding a bit high maybe, but otherwise I like it.

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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LBW2020 said:
I like the looks its a yes please from me i bet that is epic to drive !
Agreed, I think it looks epic too biggrin
Love the side shot.

nismo48

7,171 posts

237 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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It's different and rare and looks ok..smile

Robertb

3,901 posts

268 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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I suspect Mr Zwaart would have made a better return on his cash had he actually bought a McLaren F1.

emperorburger

1,484 posts

96 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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I guess if you happened to already own a Panther Solo and a Spectre R42, there might be some appeal there.

Robertb

3,901 posts

268 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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I suspect Mr Zwaart would have made a better return on his cash had he actually bought a McLaren F1.

ate one too

2,914 posts

176 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Robertb said:
I suspect Mr Zwaart would have made a better return on his cash had he actually bought a McLaren F1.
From supercars.net:


Just to prepare you for the shock, Bonhams sold chassis SA9AB5AC5S1048044 at auction in 2017 for US$ 15,620,000, which is astonishing as the MSRP back in the Nineties was about $815,000, and it gets even better, in 2019 RM Sotheby’s sold chassis SA9AB5AC1R1048018, which was a little special for being one of only two cars that were converted into LM-Specs by the factory … the hammer came down at $19,805,000 including fees.

Renowned Hagerty lists the value of a ‘normal’ McLaren F1 around the $22,000,000 mark today, with special ones valued even higher

J4CKO

46,977 posts

230 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Would this be preferable to a well sorted Ultima for about half the money ?

emperorburger

1,484 posts

96 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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J4CKO said:
Would this be preferable to a well sorted Ultima for about half the money ?
No. It wouldn't be preferable to a well sorted Ultima for the same money.

chunder

786 posts

276 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Got the feel of a mini XJR-15 to me

Bobby Lee

307 posts

85 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Robertb said:
I suspect Mr Zwaart would have made a better return on his cash had he actually bought a McLaren F1.
I’m not sure anyone was racing in British GTs to maximise their returns though to be fair.