RE: Honda Civic Mugen RR | Spotted
RE: Honda Civic Mugen RR | Spotted
Tuesday 20th December 2022

Honda Civic Mugen RR | Spotted

Two Rs do make a right


We’re spoilt for choice when it comes to hot Hondas. All but two generations of Civic Type R – the original EK9 and FD2 saloon - were sold in the UK (in part because they were built over here) often establishing themselves as class-leading hot hatches. Sure, we missed out on the likes of the DC5 Integra Type R and Accord Euro R, but those absences have largely been catered for through grey imports. Without Honda, the Japanese performance car scene in Britain would be pretty thin on the ground.

There are some notable exceptions, of course. We never officially received NSX-R, the car that kicked off the Type R legacy, nor do we get many offerings from Honda’s racing division Mugen. The only time we got to sample the tuning arm’s handiwork was the FN2 Civic Type R, which, in Matt’s words, was “almost unbelievably mad.” But today’s Spotted, the Japanese-only Mugen RR, is on a whole ‘nother level.

The RR (because two Rs are better than one) was effectively Mugen throwing everything in its parts bin at the Civic Type R saloon, a car deemed too hardcore for us brittle Europeans, and consequently dialling it up to 11. Carbon fibre front and rear bumpers, as well as a carbon rear wing and a vented aluminium bonnet, helped shed 10kg. Not a massive chunk, but the Type R saloon was already relatively lithe, what with it being some 200kg lighter than the new FL5. The front seats were also replaced with lightweight, carbon fibre-shelled Recaro buckets, meaning the RR felt every bit as racy as it looked.

Of course, the FD2 was the last Civic Type R to come with a naturally aspirated engine, making it even more remarkable that Mugen managed to extract a further 15hp from the Type R’s K20 motor – bringing total power up to 240hp. The bump came from upgraded camshafts, a new ECU and exhaust system that produced one hell of a guttural scream as you hunt for the 8,600rpm redline. Larger Brembo brakes help bring the mega saloon to a stop, hidden behind Mugen’s lighter seven-spoke, 18-inch alloys. 

Needless to say, the Mugen RR would be eaten up had it gone on sale in the UK. Legend has it that, when the RR launched in 2007, all 300 examples were hoovered up in just ten minutes, despite it carrying the equivalent of an £8,000 premium over the regular Civic Type R. That level of demand might not be unprecedented today in a click-and-point era, but it was pretty rare back in 2007. Especially with a global recession looming.

Honda didn’t think Europe could handle the Mugen, so now’s the time to prove them wrong by snapping up this example. Admittedly, values have gone up somewhat since the original went on sale in Japan for 4.8m yen (or £28,000 in UK money). How does £70,000 sound? The good thing is the previous owners haven’t messed with Mugen’s handiwork, so it’s about as stock as a hot hatch that’s been heavily tuned by a motorsport outfit can be. Plus, it's only tallied 13,285 miles and is widely considered one of the ultimate Honda Civic Type Rs. Besides, you’ll probably be paying serious money to get your hands on a new FL5. At least this RR will let you make liberal use of the ‘VTEC just kicked in, yo’ meme…


SPECIFICATION | HONDA CIVIC MUGEN RR

Engine: 1,998cc inline four cylinder
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 240@8,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 161@7,000rpm
MPG: 31.7 (standard FD2 Type R)
CO2: 160g/km
Year registered: 2007
Recorded mileage: 13,000
Price new: c.£28,000 (4.8m yen)
Yours for: £70,000

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mersontheperson

Original Poster:

732 posts

195 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Right then, which Porsche can we get for the same money?

Jordie Barretts sock

6,018 posts

49 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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rofl

Spot on. And totally missing the point of this.

GreatScott2016

2,544 posts

118 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Condition, mileage and zero mods make the unbelievable asking price somewhat believable in this mad world. Sadly for me, it has "collector" written all over it frown

Evolved

4,079 posts

217 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
rofl

Spot on. And totally missing the point of this.
I get the point, but not at 70k. Sure the Honda fanboys would lap it up though.

Mabbs9

1,674 posts

248 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Just looking at it makes me want to get in and drive it.

Jordie Barretts sock

6,018 posts

49 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Evolved said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
rofl

Spot on. And totally missing the point of this.
I get the point, but not at 70k. Sure the Honda fanboys would lap it up though.
You have fallen into the trap.

"I wouldn't pay £70k for a Honda, when I can get a Porsche 9XX for the same money."

A collector will be all over this. Mega rare. Not my cup of tea, but someone will want it.

mersontheperson

Original Poster:

732 posts

195 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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https://www.goo-net-exchange.com/usedcars/HONDA/CI...

This one 74k GBP at todays exchange rate

So whatever you think of the price, it seems consistent with the market for these

mersontheperson

Original Poster:

732 posts

195 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Help me with this though, hot hatches, like this and to some extent the pug 1.9. For me the attraction is that they were everyday cars, none of the compromises both financially and practically of ‘proper’ sports cars.

These high end editions are great, but those benefits only surely come if you actually use the car in a way that make those advantages count, taking the kids to school, commuting to work etc.
if it’s just about collecting, or the very occasional Sunday drive or car rally, then I can’t see any reason why I would choose this Civic over a NSX, and for that money you could get a really nice NSX

GR86

710 posts

126 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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mersontheperson said:
Help me with this though, hot hatches, like this and to some extent the pug 1.9. For me the attraction is that they were everyday cars, none of the compromises both financially and practically of ‘proper’ sports cars.

These high end editions are great, but those benefits only surely come if you actually use the car in a way that make those advantages count, taking the kids to school, commuting to work etc.
if it’s just about collecting, or the very occasional Sunday drive or car rally, then I can’t see any reason why I would choose this Civic over a NSX, and for that money you could get a really nice NSX
NSX will likely need a fair bit of maintenance at this price, plus higher running costs. Mugen RR will probably drive just as well and still hold it's value. I would probably buy a FL5 over both if I had the money.

Harrypop

2,611 posts

152 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

It was considered by many to be poor value at £35K in 2014, they'll burst a bk if they read how much it is valued at now!

Evolved

4,079 posts

217 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
Evolved said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
rofl

Spot on. And totally missing the point of this.
I get the point, but not at 70k. Sure the Honda fanboys would lap it up though.
You have fallen into the trap.

"I wouldn't pay £70k for a Honda, when I can get a Porsche 9XX for the same money."

A collector will be all over this. Mega rare. Not my cup of tea, but someone will want it.
I must have missed where I said all of that. Strange.

Sure It’s rare and it’s a hot Honda, and I’m sure someone/many will be creaming themselves over it, but for me it’s a massive nope at 70k.

To me, not being a collector, it would make a poor purchase. Simply never been into Hondas at all.

Chunkychucky

6,094 posts

199 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Epic car, but i'd rather pocket £50k cash and have a 'regular' FD2 Type R cloud9

newbie101

53 posts

140 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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GR86 said:
NSX will likely need a fair bit of maintenance at this price, plus higher running costs. Mugen RR will probably drive just as well and still hold it's value. I would probably buy a FL5 over both if I had the money.
If you check out The Late Brake Show car cave episodes on YouTube you'll get a feel for who might buy this. In general I would be very surprised if the buyer was choosing between this and anything, let alone a Porsche. It's an addition to a collection. The daily runaround might be a 911 already.

Sion111R

422 posts

122 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Chunkychucky said:
Epic car, but i'd rather pocket £50k cash and have a 'regular' FD2 Type R cloud9
Me too! Mine isn’t regular, but it is epic.




Evolved

4,079 posts

217 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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newbie101 said:
GR86 said:
NSX will likely need a fair bit of maintenance at this price, plus higher running costs. Mugen RR will probably drive just as well and still hold it's value. I would probably buy a FL5 over both if I had the money.
If you check out The Late Brake Show car cave episodes on YouTube you'll get a feel for who might buy this. In general I would be very surprised if the buyer was choosing between this and anything, let alone a Porsche. It's an addition to a collection. The daily runaround might be a 911 already.
Exactly that. A collector would buy this but would likely have all of the must have cars Porsche has to offer already. Either that, or a Honda fan who would likely cherish it forever.

I buy my cars to use. Many don’t.

Dombilano

1,453 posts

85 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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It's nice. Not 70k nice

Firebobby

1,002 posts

69 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Here we go again £70k for a civic!! I can't wait for the arse to drop out of the used car market, in the blink of an eye cars like this and others of the ilk will plummet by 60-70% oh how I'll chuckle at their owners for buying into the "it's worth every penny and more" routine....

Warren Obhead

51 posts

51 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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70k is far too much. I could understand around 45-50k in this market as it is a collectible.

I’d be ragging it around a track at every given opportunity if i had the cash to burn and actually wanted it. I prefer older b series stuff for some reason. I’d have me a SiR civic eg or an ek9 over this any day.

wpa1975

14,738 posts

144 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Nope, not a chance would I pay £70k for that, bonkers

BrotherMouzone

3,169 posts

204 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Chunkychucky said:
Epic car, but i'd rather pocket £50k cash and have a 'regular' FD2 Type R cloud9
You can buy a nice 987 Spyder with £40k and have £10k left for a winter heck. biggrin The Spyder and FD2 would make a good combo.

As said, those who would pay £70k for a Mugen RR are most likely multi-millionaire car collectors…….

The rest of us with a more modest budget, £70k can buy a hell of a lot ‘driver’s car’.