RE: Merlin-engined Rolls-Royce Phantom II for sale
RE: Merlin-engined Rolls-Royce Phantom II for sale
Saturday 24th December 2022

Merlin-engined Rolls-Royce Phantom II for sale

Madcap and magical in equal measure...


Here’s something a wee bit different. It’s a Rolls-Royce, but not your regular Shadow or Spirit. And if you’re one of those people who says ‘Bet that drinks petrol; what MPG do ya get?’ whenever you come across a car with a big engine, then this will blow your mind. There’s no wheezy 6.75-litre eco engine tucked away in there. This is the Rolls-Royce of Rolls-Royce engines: the 27-litre PV-12 Merlin.

Now, I say Merlin, but the advert says that this engine was from a Hurricane and then it was converted to a Meteor Mk1 engine. Technically, is it a Merlin, then? I am not 100 per cent sure what the purists would say about that, because Meteor engines were detuned and not rated for aero use. They originally came about because Rolls-Royce was recovering parts from crashed Merlin engines and refurbishing them. They had all these parts, which couldn’t be used in the aero engines because they weren’t grade-one quality, so needed to find another use for them.

The problem was that the aero engines were running at consistently high revs to produce maximum power, and you don’t want something going bang at 30,000 feet because of an iffy bit. Tanks don’t tend to drop like a stone when the engine dies, so William Robotham – who was an executive in the Rolls-Royce car division and found himself with nothing to do at the time – spearheaded the conversation of reconstituted Merlin aircraft engines for use in tanks. The tanks engines didn’t need to rev as high, so the reliability wasn’t as critical, and that’s how the Meteor engine came about. The Merlin was in service up in the skies, in everything from the Spitfire, Hurricane and Lancaster to the USAF Mustang; meanwhile, the Meteor was on ground duties in the likes of the Cromwell, Challenger and Comet tanks.

Anyway, Merlin or Meteor, that’s the history lesson done with. What’s important here is this is one of the greatest-sounding engines ever built. Many of you will have been to air shows and heard the distinctive thunder of a Merlin overhead, and it really is an iconic noise. That, and the intimate association that these engines have with the Allied victory in World War II, makes them more than the sum of their many complex parts. Hence, more than a few have been plonked in a metal frame and people make YouTube videos of them starting up. Guy Martin has one. He started it up in his workshop and attempted to run it to its 2,800rpm peak revs. At which point it took off, destroying a wall, a staircase and lots of other stuff in between.

Those with even deeper pockets stick them in cars, though. And why not? Jay Leno has two Merlin-powered motors. One is the custom Bentley built by Bob Petersen that was featured on Top Gear, and the other is a rather elegant sports-tourer bodied car built by a man called Paul Jamerson. Jamerson’s become something of an expert on aero-engined cars, and he’s the engineering brain behind this creation.

It's built on a 1930 Phantom II chassis, with the aluminium bodywork crafted by Alan Jenner of Hastings. The numbers it makes are, as with all these cars, quite astounding. 800hp and 1,500lb ft of torque, and that’s delivered at just 1,500rpm. As the advert says, the car is ‘completely traction limited’. You don’t say. It also says that it is theoretically geared to 190mph, but no one has been brave enough to test that out. The owner sounds like he has the fighter-pilot spirit, though, having taken it to a plucky 160mph in third, when it was ticking along gently at 3,000rpm. It’s also clocked 111mph over a standing-quarter.

It has plenty of other nice touches to do justice to that Merlin/Meteor motor. The 150-litre fuel tank is from a D.H. Rapide Biplane, and the 14-gallon oil tank is from a Fairey Firefly – a strike fighter plane that used the even larger 37-litre Rolls-Royce Griffon V12. It’s even got seat belts and air ducts for the front brakes from a Lightning jet. So there you have it: madcap and magical in equal measure. And if anyone writes a comment along the lines of ‘How much?’ or ‘Nearly bought one of those for £5,000 in 1992,’ you’re heading straight to the naughty step. And I've primed it with glue. 


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TerryFarquit

Original Poster:

113 posts

153 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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That’s a brave pill if ever I saw one.
I remember seeing one like this owned by Trevor Eastwood in Perth WA in about 2010.
As Duke Nukem would say “ You’d need balls of steel to drive that! “

Daztompa

10 posts

45 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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If I had a spare half million sitting around I'd have this it's ridiculous and I love it precisely because of that

NineB

44 posts

82 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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Quick dash to YouTube for the Guy Martin video. Didn't find it but found this Merlin engined car instead:
Very ugly but 0-70 in 3 seconds in the early 1970's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBVoO61a3f0

The story behind it
https://carnutter.tumblr.com/post/174058206132/joh...

Turbobanana

8,169 posts

227 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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I wondered how long it would take before John Dodd's "The Beast" would make an appearance.

Personally I prefer Charlie Broomfield's Rover SD1 with a Merlin fitted, because it looks better.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&amp...

Watchthis

577 posts

88 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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I love how this thing's 27litre engine has exhaust pipe tips that are smaller than many modern cars

Portofino

5,282 posts

217 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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Watchthis said:
I love how this thing's 27litre engine has exhaust pipe tips that are smaller than many modern cars
I love a good exhaust & they look pretty big to me! & genuine rather than a fake plastic surround.



edoverheels

580 posts

131 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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I think I saw this at the Brighton Speed Trials a few years ago. Quite a thing. Left a very smoky trail of wheel spin for about 200m.

LotusOmega375D

9,190 posts

179 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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I appreciate the engineering that goes into these aero-engined specials, but they could have styled it to look nicer than this kit-car design. Definitely a case of function over form. If I had £500,000 to spare, I wouldn’t be looking at this.

Edit. By the way, wasn’t the Challenger Perkins diesel engined?

Edited by LotusOmega375D on Saturday 24th December 09:08

Slowlygettingit

909 posts

67 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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I worked with an eccentric plant fitter 20+ years ago. His daily was a heavily modified Rover SD1 with the diesel engine in from a jcb.
He apparently had a Merlin engined car at home that was to be his opus maximus. Progress was glacial as was to be expected so updates were few and far between and we never saw it. He also occasionally came to work in original 3 wheeled Morgans which was I first became aware of them.

Trebor1970

223 posts

46 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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NineB said:
Quick dash to YouTube for the Guy Martin video. Didn't find it but found this Merlin engined car instead:
Very ugly but 0-70 in 3 seconds in the early 1970's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBVoO61a3f0

The story behind it
https://carnutter.tumblr.com/post/174058206132/joh...
John Dodd sadly passed away a couple of weeks ago.
A true British eccentric.

Cousin Dupree

452 posts

45 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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Trebor1970 said:
NineB said:
Quick dash to YouTube for the Guy Martin video. Didn't find it but found this Merlin engined car instead:
Very ugly but 0-70 in 3 seconds in the early 1970's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBVoO61a3f0

The story behind it
https://carnutter.tumblr.com/post/174058206132/joh...
John Dodd sadly passed away a couple of weeks ago.
A true British eccentric.
I remember seeing that at Fibreglass Repairs in Shortlands sometime in the 70's, just a glimpse of it through the door of the workshop, astoundingly ugly but impressive at the same time!

DuncsGTi

1,176 posts

205 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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LotusOmega375D said:
Edit. By the way, wasn’t the Challenger Perkins diesel engined?

Edited by LotusOmega375D on Saturday 24th December 09:08
I think the article refers to the WW2 cruiser challenger as opposed to the challenger MBT from the 80s. The later one had a rolls royce perkins CV12 diesel.

RosscoPCole

3,606 posts

200 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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I know that hundreds if not thousands of hours went into engineering this machine, but I prefer something a bit more subtle like this 1931 Phantom II with a Merlin engine.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,655 posts

124 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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"rather elegant sports-tourer"

Such wit so early on a Saturday morning...

Trebor1970

223 posts

46 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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Cousin Dupree said:
I remember seeing that at Fibreglass Repairs in Shortlands sometime in the 70's, just a glimpse of it through the door of the workshop, astoundingly ugly but impressive at the same time!
And there was actually two Beasts. The one pictured was the original which caught fire.
The later version which John Dodd was still using in Spain until recently, was a lovely British Leyland beige colour!

normalbloke

8,674 posts

245 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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LotusOmega375D said:
I appreciate the engineering that goes into these aero-engined specials, but they could have styled it to look nicer than this kit-car design. Definitely a case of function over form. If I had £500,000 to spare, I wouldn’t be looking at this.

Edit. By the way, wasn’t the Challenger Perkins diesel engined?

Edited by LotusOmega375D on Saturday 24th December 09:08
Conquerer.

tr7v8

7,598 posts

254 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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The differences between Merlin and Meteor are a lot greater than people think. Parts made of ali or similar on the Merlin were made of heavier materials for the Meteor. Merlins were supercharged Meteors weren't, hence much lower outputs. Merlins only did a few minutes at full boost.

motco

17,479 posts

272 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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edoverheels said:
I think I saw this at the Brighton Speed Trials a few years ago. Quite a thing. Left a very smoky trail of wheel spin for about 200m.
...and I saw the John Dodds 'Beast' at the Speed Trials and frankly it was a disappointment. Loads of smoke, certainly, but black unburned fuel smoke, and a fluffy misfiring quite sad sounding engine as it lurched along Madeira Drive. It might have been a bad day for some reason, but the thin went up in flames not too long afterwards. All sorts of bizarre claims were made for its performance, few that were verified.

Chris C2

243 posts

75 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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FWIW the Land Rover factory at Lode Lane was known as the Meteor works (although the original Rover Meteor works was in Coventry)- originally built as a shadow factory where Rover started making the Bristol Hercules engine. When BMW took over Land Rover, German visitors would innocently ask why there was camouflage paint on the main office block....

Edited by Chris C2 on Saturday 24th December 16:30

Bencolem

1,169 posts

265 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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How much?! Ahh, includes the Graeme Hunt tax…