RE: Porsche confirms 'around' 600hp for top Macan EV
RE: Porsche confirms 'around' 600hp for top Macan EV
Wednesday 11th January 2023

Porsche confirms 'around' 600hp for top Macan EV

Electrified Cayman might be the most interesting Porsche EV on the horizon - but it isn't the most important


If you thought we’d heard plenty about PPE over the past few years, be prepared to hear a lot more about it in the coming months. In the world of cars, PPE is Premium Platform Electric, a fantastically expensive bit of architecture co-developed by Audi and Porsche as they plot a path toward world domination. You'll likely recall the Taycan and e-tron GT shared the J1 Performance Platform, and they turned out alright; now PPE is set to underpin a glut of new electric cars from both, as Porsche aims at more than 50 per cent of sales being electrified (EV or hybrid) by 2025, and more than 80 per cent by 2030.  

The electric Macan is, of course, crucial to achieving that target, given the enormous success of the current car. Built on PPE and due to go on sale next year, Porsche maintains that the new one will be the sportiest model in the segment while also boasting the ‘strong, independent character’ of a Porsche, thanks to the flexibility inherent in the new platform. Wheelbase, track width and ground clearance are all subject to modular adjustments, so expect plenty of variation between different iterations - and a multitude of body styles. 

Stated development goals for the Macan EV include high-performance fast charging and long-distance capability. As with the Taycan, the Macan will boast 800-volt electrical architecture; advances in battery tech means it’ll be able to accept even more than that car’s 270kW, though Porsche hasn’t said how much just yet. Apparently, a best-case scenario can see the 100kWh battery charged from five to 80 per cent in 25 minutes. Somebody better at maths than us can work out if that equates to 350kW charging or not. The Macan even introduces ‘bank charging’, which effectively splits the 800-volt battery into a pair of 400v ones, which can then be charged in parallel without the need for a booster.  

As for the long-range target, Porsche speaks of air suspension that can be lowered to benefit range, the efficiency benefits of using permanently excited synchronous motors against asynchronous, and ‘state of the art battery management’. If that all sounds a bit worthy for a Porsche, there’s plenty to be enthusiastic about as well. Porsche says the initial power output for the Macan will go ‘up to around 450kW’ - or 611hp - with torque rated at more than 738lb ft. More encouraging - because every EV seemingly has more than 600hp - is technology like the Performance rear axle, aka a fully variable electronic rear diff, plus the placement of the second electric motor behind the rear axle for better weight distribution. Porsche says the Macan’s mass will be split 48:52 front-to-rear; exactly how much mass there is will have to wait for another time.  

The EV will introduce all-wheel steering to the Macan for the first time, steering the opposite way to the front wheels (by up to five degrees) until 50mph and then with them above that. Porsche is promising ‘the highest precision for all steering manoeuvres.’ There’s also going to be electronic Porsche Active Suspension Management with two-valve dampers, fully variable torque distribution (with Porsche Traction Management lending a hand) and all-new double wishbone front/multi-link rear suspension. The mixed tyre split will be even greater this time around as well, with rears wider than fronts to accommodate that weight distribution and presumably fire the Macan out of bends like a missile. ‘Porsche will always be Porsche’ reads the press release, and to its credit the Taycan did set the handling benchmark for electric saloons. Now the time for SUVs… 

Interestingly, despite the detail and the extensive testing that’s underway, the latest update on the electric Macan doesn’t yet mention an on-sale date. That might be because the car is thought to have suffered delays inflicted by wider VW Group issues, but given the ambition outlined for plug-in and EV Porsches - plus the insatiable demand for electric SUVs - you can expect to hear a good deal more about it as the year goes on. Then we can start thinking about a 911 hybrid… 


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burman

Original Poster:

361 posts

243 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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Styling looks a bit Kia around the C pillar, looks like a lot of new tech coming our way soon.
Other than marketing I think 600HP is over the top for a Macan unless it weighs over 2 Ton.

SuperNads

286 posts

189 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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You know the design is disguised to be intentionally misleading right?

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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burman said:
...unless it weighs over 2 Ton.
I'd say a sizeable wager on the top spec one with big battery being well over that.

Hairymonster

1,678 posts

135 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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yawn

WY86

1,555 posts

57 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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slightly misleading as it will be like other EV's where it will let you have 600hp for short bursts.

Murcielago_Boy

2,014 posts

269 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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Reliably informed it's going to be > £90k for a mid range model with suitable spec. Bloody Hell.

loudlashadjuster

6,490 posts

214 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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WY86 said:
slightly misleading as it will be like other EV's where it will let you have 600hp for short bursts.
And in what car, electric or otherwise, can you deploy 600hp for more than just short bursts anyway? You're in licence-losing territory in under 7 seconds from a standing start.

And Porsche have gone to great lengths to show that their EVs seems to be able to put up with repeated/constant hammering without going into limp-home modes or such

Edited by loudlashadjuster on Wednesday 11th January 13:53

MountainsofSussex

448 posts

216 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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burman said:
Styling looks a bit Kia around the C pillar, looks like a lot of new tech coming our way soon.
Other than marketing I think 600HP is over the top for a Macan unless it weighs over 2 Ton.
There's clearly a bunch of disguise some the rear side window. The chrome strip is certainly fake and designed to deceive- looks like there's a small D shaped window following the roof line in there in reality

130R

7,112 posts

236 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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Murcielago_Boy said:
Reliably informed it's going to be > £90k for a mid range model with suitable spec. Bloody Hell.
Mental pricing if correct since an S is currently £56k base!

JAMSXR

1,845 posts

77 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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The market for 100k SUVs seems to be growing exponentially. I’m not sure that’s a good thing.

I’m pretty lucky in terms of income and savings, but these cars, and their abundance, make me feel somewhat poor! smile

I wonder if there will be a reality check once the SS schemes diminish. Although Tesla are hugely successful and profitable they seem pretty desperate right now, and used prices are plummeting. Great for us cash buyers down the line.

Twinair

1,042 posts

172 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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Oh good, another high price, ‘high theoretical’ horsepower in a heavy huffer… Even the manufacturers are starting to say EV’s are too expensive & the transition has to addressed…

It’s all BS & spin for: margin over volume, to keep the businesses viable - yet ultimately reduce the vehicles on the road… Except for the more wealthy…

Everyone just sits here and says: ‘Oh, ok…’

loudlashadjuster

6,490 posts

214 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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Twinair said:
Oh good, another high price, ‘high theoretical’ horsepower in a heavy huffer… Even the manufacturers are starting to say EV’s are too expensive & the transition has to addressed…

It’s all BS & spin for: margin over volume, to keep the businesses viable - yet ultimately reduce the vehicles on the road… Except for the more wealthy…

Everyone just sits here and says: ‘Oh, ok…’

Wab1974uk

1,417 posts

57 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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My Macan S with it's nice 2.9l Twin Turbo V6 will be getting Built in February.

Will be my last new car for many many years, as I do not want an EV. In time I will have no choice, but until then, Petrol all the way !

nismo48

7,160 posts

237 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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Wab1974uk said:
My Macan S with it's nice 2.9l Twin Turbo V6 will be getting Built in February.

Will be my last new car for many many years, as I do not want an EV. In time I will have no choice, but until then, Petrol all the way !
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ManyMotors

1,108 posts

128 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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Both the Cayenne and Macan are both very nice. But why do they have the design philosophy of "large on the outside, small on the inside"? That helps people buy trucks.

btdk5

1,862 posts

220 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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WY86 said:
slightly misleading as it will be like other EV's where it will let you have 600hp for short bursts.
Peak power is normally stated though isn’t it?

Even if it was petrol peak power is only available in a very narrow window.

Andy665

4,189 posts

258 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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burman said:
unless it weighs over 2 Ton.
More a question of how much over 2 tonnes its going to weigh

Dave Hedgehog

16,366 posts

234 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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Andy665 said:
burman said:
unless it weighs over 2 Ton.
More a question of how much over 2 tonnes its going to weigh
i bet 2400kg, the EV6 GT with similar power is 2600kg !!!!

Draxindustries1

1,657 posts

53 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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Krikkit said:
burman said:
...unless it weighs over 2 Ton.
I'd say a sizeable wager on the top spec one with big battery being well over that.
It'll be in at least 2700kg, could well be approaching 3tonnes..

Draxindustries1

1,657 posts

53 months

Wednesday 11th January 2023
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Dave Hedgehog said:
Andy665 said:
burman said:
unless it weighs over 2 Ton.
More a question of how much over 2 tonnes its going to weigh
i bet 2400kg, the EV6 GT with similar power is 2600kg !!!!
It's going to be at least 2700kg, could well approach 3tonnes..