RE: A V90 is not just for Christmas | PH Footnote
RE: A V90 is not just for Christmas | PH Footnote
Sunday 15th January 2023

A V90 is not just for Christmas | PH Footnote

John loves a big Volvo. Good thing too, because Santa delivered a brace of them...


I hope you all had a great Christmas. I did. It included all the usual overindulgences – turkey with all the trimmings, too much booze – and the good company of family and friends. All very hearty and heart-warming stuff, but what made it even more special this year were the presents. Not the ones from Santa’s sack – I already had plenty of socks and scarfs, thank you – I'm talking very large and very Volvo-shaped presents, in the form of not one but two Volvo V90 estates. Oh, yummy. 

You see, the idea of spending a prolonged period with these two was genuinely interesting – in all, I had them for four weeks, which is an unusually long time for me to spend with one model. I am a big fan of the estate car generally, but there’s something particularly pleasing about Volvo estates. I wrote last summer about my time with a V60 T6, and I said then it was one of the best cars I’d driven all year. Roomy, effortless to drive over long distances, and, since it’s gained a bigger hybrid battery, even its half-and-half powertrain made sense. It was easily covering off my day-to-day toings and froings on electric power, with the petrol engine quashing any range anxiety over longer distances. It was brilliant. 

Oddly, the V90 isn’t that much more practical. It offers a bit more rear legroom and a slightly larger boot, but in objective terms, that’s not enough to justify spending the extra cash over its younger sibling – the golden child. Still, the V90 is the ultimate; the pinnacle of the range. There’s something satisfying about that, even if it is more about ego-boosting than any real substance. And the reason why the V90 isn’t vastly more practical than the V60 is that it's even better looking.

The V60’s rump is more abruptly cut off ­– not quite at a 700 Series right angle, but noticeably more so than the V90’s. And the V90’s sloping rear gives it a really graceful finish, and, as I’ve said before, few mainstream cars these days match Volvos for good looks. Mercedes is all about bling, Audi all about aggression, and BMW…well, God only knows what BMW’s styling is about these days? Volvo, on the other hand, is apparently the only one left exploring elegance and classiness in the premium sector. I feel proud turning up in a V90; it implies a degree of good taste.

The two V90s were quite different, though. The car that arrived before Christmas was a regular V90 T6, with the same hybrid setup as the V60. The car that arrived after Christmas was a V90 Cross Country. Now, I thought I’d been told at the booking stage that it was going to be a diesel, which I thought would be a great contrast to the T6 – olden-day efficiency versus the new hybrid world order. Or to some, perhaps, a simple battle of good versus evil. But within 100 metres I knew something was amiss. Either it was the world’s smoothest oil burner, or it was running on something less viscous and rather more volatile. It turns out all my years of road testing have stood me in good stead, because I can almost immediately tell the difference between a petrol and a diesel. Yes, it was a B5 (P), and that's P for petrol.

Still, it was a good test to see whether the T6 is worth the extra £9,000 over the B5 (P), which has a much simpler, 250hp 2.0-litre engine. Obviously, the hybrid has the bonus of an electric motor that takes over when the battery’s charged. Officially it’ll do over 50 miles before firing up the engine, but I was getting about 35-40 miles depending on the type of journey. Still not a bad effort, and financially savvy if you can charge it up regularly on a low-rate tariff – if they still exist.

Once the battery was depleted, though, I was getting low to mid-thirties MPG. That’s about what I was getting from the B5 (P), although a non-Cross Country version might bolster that slightly, going by the WLTP figures. Either way, it does demonstrate to the unaware that there’s no point wasting money on a PHEV if you're not going to charge it up. Unless you’re a company car driver. Then, regardless of whether the battery is juiced or not, you’ll be paying eight per cent company car tax instead of 37 per cent. That's what you’ll be clobbered with if you opt for the B5 (P).

The T6 does have other advantages, mind, like outright performance. Its combined power sources add another 100hp to the overall mix, which makes 350hp in total. And that makes the T6 a bit of a sleeper. 0-62mph in 5.5 seconds, which for a large estate is quick, while the B5 (P)’s 6.9 seconds is merely brisk. The thing is, the V90’s laid-back nature meant I rarely felt inclined to hoof it. Besides, I'm far too sophisticated these days to go in for any childish, red-light-drag races (mostly), but I did appreciate the T6’s added driveability.

Having the torque-fill of the electric motor, both off the line and when you’re at speed, is a massive boost metaphorically as well as literally. For a start, you can safely go for gaps in the traffic that would have you broadsided in the B5 (P), and the T6 is much more relaxing on the motorway. Just a little twitch of the right foot and you’re seamlessly into the fast lane. In fact, the T6 edges toward effortless performance, whereas the B5 (P)’s comparative lack of torque means you’re more often cracking the whip by plunging the accelerator to the pedal stop. That means more noise, so even discounting the T6’s full-stealth EV mode, it’s invariably more refined.

There are downsides to the T6, though. Mostly to do with the ride and handling. It’s 2,026kg, and no, that’s not when it’s towing a boat. That's on its own. Even with the Cross Country’s four-wheel-drive adding 100kg to a regular V90 petrol, it still trims 166kg from the T6. That’s not buttons: by my calculations, it’s about 50 bricks, and you can feel it. The T6 has more understeer, leans more and, on a wet road especially, feels a lot more ponderous. Don't forget, that’s compared with a car that’s jacked up by 65mm and running thinner tyres with plumper sidewalls. In fact, the Cross Country handles reasonably tidily, with a half-sensible balance front to rear. It's not a driver's car, but it is a car that gives you a decent amount of confidence nevertheless. The issue I found with both V90s was the steering: the on-centre feel is poor, so you have to keep it in check in a straight line, and at no point does the steering get chatty. In fact, if it were a person it would be designated a mute. 

Getting back to tyres, the Cross Country’s bigger sidewalls no doubt soften the blows from the great caverns that have been opening up in the roads recently, but the main factor in it riding noticeably better is most likely to be weight again. The T6 will surely have stiffer springs to prop up its bulk, and over sharper intrusions it thumps and crashes more often. It’s not upsetting, but I much preferred being in the Cross Country, which generally pads over stuff in a mellower manner. In other aspects, you can tell they're cut from the same cloth. I relish the hospitable feel of a V90’s interior – even more so with the cloth seats that the T6 came with. But all Volvo seats are famously comfy, regardless of the upholstery. Those, along with the isolation from wind and road noise at speed, make the V90 a spectacularly good motorway car.

There is an issue, and that’s the infotainment. I mentioned the last time I tested a Volvo with the latest Android software that I thought it was a backwards step in some ways. That's confirmed, it is. I feel a bit sorry moaning about this, because ever since Volvo launched the previous Sensus infotainment package in the XC90, everyone, including me, gave that a drubbing. The problem is, it really didn’t need a root and branch change. The software’s stability and responsiveness was the issue, and the fact that the Apple CarPlay integration felt a bit half-baked – it only used a fraction of the car’s 9.0-inch portrait screen. But in terms of the layout and the ability to swipe from the home screen to the settings menus easily, it was great and dead easy to use.

Now it's all been changed, and the good news it the Android system is more responsive. However, I made telephone calls in both cars and the person on the other end couldn’t hear me, so the reliability still isn't quite there. That also came to light when I plugged my phone into the Cross Country and the Apple CarPlay had an immediate hissy fit. It crashed completely and refused to reappear. If this happens to you, I’ve since learned what to do. Press and hold the home button for more than 20 seconds and the system reboots, which did solve the issue. It won’t solve the problem if you have an Android phone, though. How strange is this? Android developed this software, yet the V90 doesn’t have Android Auto. True, some of the apps that you’d have on your phone can be download to the car, but not the full suite. That includes Waze, and which company owns the company that develops Waze? Google. Where’s the sense in that?

Then there are the small icons. The temperature controls are tiny, and some of the other features are buried, like the T6’s driving modes. If you want to save the battery range, which I did, you have to wade through the menus to press the ’hold charge’ function every time you switch the ignition off and then on again. Just leave things how I left them, please. That in itself is a pain, but if you forget to do it after stopping at, say, a services on the M4, which of course I did, when you arrive at your destination – the town that you were saving all that lovely, clean, green energy up for – it's all vanished into thin air.

Then there's the dimmer control for the screens. Yes, I know, this sounds like I am just picking up on stupid stuff now, but hear me out. In the old V90, I am sure there used to be a simple dimmer wheel – an old-fashioned rheostat – just to the right of the steering wheel. Not anymore. And with the screens lighting up the car at night with the intensity of a small sun, I was searching away trying to find out how to stop myself from being blinded. I'm not being big-headed here, but I’ve been doing this job long enough to know that if I can't fathom something out without looking in the owner's manual, generally that's the fault of the user interface, not me. But I couldn’t work out how to dim the screens myself, and couldn't I work it out after searching in the digital owner's manual, either, because that was useless.

At this point, it did cross my mind that, just maybe, I’d reached that stage of life – you know, where electronics stop making sense and you have to ask a young person for help. So I asked Cam T, who is young, and he couldn’t work it out, even after looking it up on Google – it's all bloody Google's fault. I found out how to do it eventually, but only by chance. It's not in the section called 'Displays,' where I had been looking. Oh no. I found it because I wanted to change the interior lighting, so I went to the section called 'Lighting,' found a slider for 'Ambient lighting' and moved that. And that when the flipping instruments and screen dimmed. IT MAKES NO SENSE.

Okay, rant over. And the upshot is, despite the evidence of the preceding paragraphs, I still love the V90. It’s a bit of a shame that Volvo, like all manufacturers seem to do, is fiddling with stuff but not thinking about whether this is actually adding anything – or, more worryingly, making things worse. But overall the big estate is a joy to be in. Of the two drivetrains, which one would I choose were I buying one today? Well, as much as I liked the T6 in the V60, I felt that in the V90, the ride and handling compromises were bigger. I wouldn’t discount it, but it probably wouldn’t be my first choice.

I think that would be the car I thought I was getting: the Cross Country diesel B5 (D). I know that’s not a popular choice these days, but it’s still a sensible one for me. The diesel is cheaper than the B5 (P) Cross Country – and way cheaper than the V90 T6 I had. It's also torquier, which adds in some of the mid-range shove you lose with the petrol-only option. I do lots of long journeys, too, and can't charge at home very easily, which means whether I had the T6 or the B5 (P), I'd be getting nearly 10mpg more on average. Whatever the engine, though, a V90 is one of the best wagons on sale, and despite what Matt Bird says now he's swapped his 3 Series Touring for an SUV, estate cars trump SUVs every time.  


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Maxi78

Original Poster:

6 posts

47 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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I'm happy to see you calling out these user interface and technology issues. Cars have become a lot more complex, however making the general use and operation less intuitive detracts from the driving experience and can result in an accident for the distracted driver.

Pommy

14,472 posts

246 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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The title of this artice makes no sense.

Jader1973

5,197 posts

230 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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Pommy said:
The title of this artice makes no sense.
It is actually making my brain hurt.

HelldogBE

285 posts

73 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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There are some serious issues with the UX design of the current facelifted Volvo range.

No idea why the scroll wheel for changing the driving modes on the center console needed to be moved to the screen and that it won't remember the last setting if you want to hold battery charge.
Similarly they moved the change between cruise control and speed limiter from the steering wheel to that same drive mode menu (see picture in the article).

As for the Android auto/Apple Carplay issues: surely a manufacturer trying so hard to attract the Tesla folk understands how important the Infotainment system is nowadays. For some it's the sole reason to upgrade their car! Seems like the Android OS is very flawed in that it's still Volvo that has complete control over the app library, so it will become just as outdated as any of other systems around as soon as the next generation of system comes out and support is dropped.

samoht

7,291 posts

176 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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Very informative about the different Volvo models and powertrains, thanks. John has definitely made the role of 'PH Volvo reviewer' his own wink

It does slightly sound like the smaller V60 is preferable, since that leaves weight spare for the hefty-but-helpful hybrid system.

Jader1973 said:
Pommy said:
The title of this artice makes no sense.
It is actually making my brain hurt.
Looks like this has been fixed on the main page, but this discussion thread still has the stray 'be'.

Scarfie

247 posts

52 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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I had one on lease for 3 years only just returned. Nice car all in all but 3 major gripes which ruined it. The touch screen is poor and hate having to control major items like seat heating through it. Visibility is awful thanks to tiny windows and massive wing mirrors, I had to physically move myself to see around then at every roundabout. Worst was the quite frankly dangerous anti collision intervention which you cannot turn off. It almost caused me large scale accidents about 3 times, usually in the wet. It just has no real idea of what it’s like to drive in the UK. Gaps are tight, lanes are small.

richinlondon

900 posts

152 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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Re screen functionality, given the amount of money they spend on car development don’t they( and other manufacturers) spend some of it on end user testing ? We have a now 10 year old xv70 d5 that we’ve thought of swapping out for one of these but we never get less than 38mpg ( then 40 on long runs), it is shorter with a lot more boot space but still handles and goes very well for the motoring we want from it. And in the time we’ve had it the only thing to go wrong was one wheel sensor in 93000 miles. So the dysfunctional functionality, poorer economy and interior space doesn’t seem like progress. Oh and last thing…..no colours anymore, living in the country with two dogs jumping in to the back, the white on white model shown seems a tad impractical.

Our conclusion is to take care of our xc70 and keep it for many years to come.

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

203 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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Might as well dump Coke in a single malt when adding a sloping rear end to a volvo estate.

Turbobanana

8,493 posts

231 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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I was looking at these, used, 2 years ago. Ended up with a (blingy, according to the article) E-class instead because a) affordability at the time, and b) no touch screens in the basic SE. No regrets so far.

cerb4.5lee

44,977 posts

210 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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I wouldn't spend my own money on one(I'd want more than a 4 cylinder engine for the money so I'd go for a Merc/BMW instead for a 6 cylinder engine), but there is something very nice about a Volvo I reckon. I remember really liking the XC90 that I had as a loan car a few years ago. That was my first experience with touchscreens as well, and the interior did have a really nice ambience about it I thought.

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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yea volvo interiors are nice and i dont mind the looks of these, but the engines and heft of both vehicles dont get me interested let alone the touch screen nonsense, i would spend money on this, its a HARD NO for me...

ducnick

2,282 posts

273 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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I loved my 2003 s60, one of the best cars I’ve ever owned. I recently bought a big family caravan towing car and I naturally took a look at the Volvo xc90 and v90 range at the local dealers. I do like the way they look, I love the seats and the solidity of them. I don’t even mind the 4 cylinder only powertrain because I don’t tend to drive that fast with the family and dog on board and modern 4 pots are quite refined.
BUT the absolutely awful touch screen to control basic things put me off. It’s a shame, but until they reintroduced buttons and knobs for the basic controls you need to use while looking at the road, I’m not interested in a Volvo.

Billy_Whizzzz

2,641 posts

173 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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Not as good as a 5 Series and not as good looking. Still one of the few good looking BMWs.

Filibuster

3,406 posts

245 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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I have a 2018 V90 T8 and it is an absolutely fabulous car!
It’s a shame that the engine is a characterless 4-pot, but it does the job. If is an incredibly fast car up to 100 mph if you need it, in a straight line. It isn’t sporty in the slightest, but that is not what this car is all about.
Driving it electrically really suits this serene car. It does this up to 80mph and for real world 25 miles. Sure other, newer cars do this better, but this one does it in complete silence.
Yes a characterful 5-pot would have been nice, but I have other cars if a fancy a good engine.

FaustF

812 posts

184 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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Volvo styling is far and above the German rivals at the moment, v60 for me please

Speedgirl

291 posts

197 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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I’m sure everyone has a soft spot for a big Volvo estate. It nice they are still going but they are not what they were. A choice between black and white interiors is a bit mean, although they still look good. Modern driver Interface tech is of course crap but is cheap to install. A heavy car like this would also likely benefit from adaptive suspension. For me the kicker is Volvos policy of using only 2-litre I4s limited to 114 mph. This means they shouldn’t really be in the business of selling premium cars like this any more. The 12 month wait time for delivery will also probably kill off any potential sales.

Filibuster

3,406 posts

245 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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Speedgirl said:
A choice between black and white interiors is a bit mean, although they still look good. … A heavy car like this would also likely benefit from adaptive suspension. For me the kicker is Volvos policy of using only 2-litre I4s limited to 114 mph. This means they shouldn’t really be in the business of selling premium cars like this any more.
Do they not offer the amber interior anymore?
My V90 has it and it is fantastic:



Mine has the matte wood option, which not only looks good, but feels amazing.

An absolutely amazing place to be in and has it has incredible cooled, massaging seats as well.



They come with optional 4c adaptive dampers, or at least they used to. But it isn’t really necessary, imho. Very well setup passive suspension that doesn’t try to be sporty.

Regarding engines: I really would have liked a characterful 5-pot or indeed a smooth i6. But Volvo has a philosophy in which luxury isn’t linked to such an engine. Not very PH, but you know what: they are right. It works!

I love a good engine and I can choose between a flat-6; an i6 or a V8 if I fancy a drive. If I want to travel with the family in comfort, the V90 T8 is superb.

ballans

939 posts

135 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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I really wanted to like the V90, the styling inside and out is fantastic.
Went to the dealer fully expecting to buy one, chose the colours, options and lease plan.
Took it for a test drive, so disappointed.
I had to go diesel as I was still doing lots of miles and it felt lack lustre and ruff. The steering just felt weird and didn’t seem to want to go in a straight line. Not very relaxing on the motorway. The infotainment and ‘driver aids’ were annoying and difficult to switch off. But, worst of all the ride was rubbish. Stiff and leaden.
Probably explains why the salesman was reluctant to let me go for a test drive even though there was a demonstrator parked out front.
I bought a 5 series estate which doesn’t look as good but to drive was light years ahead.
Shame as the Volvo design is so good.

cerb4.5lee

44,977 posts

210 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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Filibuster said:
Regarding engines: I really would have liked a characterful 5-pot or indeed a smooth i6. But Volvo has a philosophy in which luxury isn’t linked to such an engine. Not very PH, but you know what: they are right. It works!

I love a good engine and I can choose between a flat-6; an i6 or a V8 if I fancy a drive. If I want to travel with the family in comfort, the V90 T8 is superb.
I'm always a bit torn regarding this. I really liked the E61 520d Touring that I had, but the 4 cylinder engine ruined the car for me because a 4 cylinder engine is incapable of feeling premium to use/sit behind for me.

You definitely don't always need the extra performance with a more capacity/more cylinder engine granted in a premium family car, but the extra smoothness/the way the engine feels to use is a benefit though over the smaller 4 cylinder engines for me.

Iamnotkloot

1,915 posts

177 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
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The current vogue of putting useful controls in sub menus of touch screens is ruining a lot of good cars.