RE: Skoda Karoq really is simply clever | PH Footnote
RE: Skoda Karoq really is simply clever | PH Footnote
Wednesday 18th January 2023

Skoda Karoq really is simply clever | PH Footnote

The Heads of the Valley road shows how you can take something great and screw it up. The Karoq shows how to do things properly...


The A465 Heads of the Valley road, between Abergavenny and Brynmawr, is a magnificent engineering achievement. A quite awe-inspiring section to drive along and witness the extent of human endeavour as this stretch of Tarmac scythes through the tortuous, rocky topography that’s been blasted away either side. It was nearly ten years in the making, cost something like £800m, and was designed to transform an outdated, single-carriageway A road saddled with a 50mph limit, into a smooth, faster and freer-flowing dual carriage.

Like all these infrastructure projects, it’s had its issues. It ended up £100m over budget, and during the construction process drivers have had to endure average speed cameras guarding a pedestrian 40mph limit, but that’s fine. No pain, no gain, as they say. And you can’t help but salute the engineers and construction workers that made it happen – their legacy is a fantastic one.

Yet the Heads of the Valley road is also a depressing demonstration of political incompetence. After all the pain, what has been the gain? Let me tell you: next to nothing. All those poor people who’ve endured years of misery sitting in contraflows but imagining the result would be worth it in the end, now have to sit at guess what speed? 50mph – yep, exactly the same speed as before. Naturally, this is rigorously enforced with average speed camera to ensure compliance.

What’s the ‘reasoning’ behind this bit of legislative ineptitude? Something about the risk of accidents because of visibility and reducing the environmental impact of the scheme. You couldn’t make it up. This road is easily capable of supporting a 70mph limit. It’s wide and well sighted. And as for the environmental argument, what kind of idiot sets out to make a road faster by carrying out a construction project, and then claws back the environmental cost of the construction by slowing it down again? If it was all about saving the environment, wouldn’t it have been simpler just to leave it the way it was? This would be funny if these people weren’t real and in charge.

What we’re talking about here, is meddling. Taking something good and ruining it, which brings me on to the Skoda Karoq 2.0 TDI Sportline – the car I was driving along the Heads of the Valley road. Has it been ruined by the all the Sportline additions? Thankfully, no it hasn’t.

I like Skoda’s approach of fielding no-nonsense but sound cars for sensible money. It’s a Skoda, so you subconsciously get in with lower expectations than you might with, say, a Volkswagen, and you invariably get out pleasantly surprised by how good it is. In fact, the general rule is that the latest Skodas are even better than the Volkswagens they share so much commonality with, in terms of platforms and mechanicals.

The Welsh Government’s dubious politics made me think about a tale of inter-company politics within the VW Group that, when I heard about it, struck me as just as non-sensical. I remember a conversation I had a few years back with a senior member of Skoda’s management team. I asked him about a rumour that had been circulating that Volkswagen was putting pressure on the Czech brand to differentiate its products more from its parent company’s. In other words, make Skodas less good. He said that yes, there had been discussions along those lines, but the response from Skoda was: instead of making our cars worse, why don’t you just start building better Volkswagens? That, I thought, was just the sort of common sense that Skoda is known for, and the thing the Welsh Government is lacking.

The top-of-the-line Karoq Sportline has common sense running through it. Some car companies add stuff to their more expensive offerings that ruin the car and then charge you lots of money for the anti-privilege. Bigger wheels and sports suspension that spoil the ride; a four-wheel drive system that removes half the boot; or a panoramic sunroof that eats into headroom like a roof chop. This being the most expensive trim in the Karoq range, and the most expensive version of that trim, I wondered whether that would be the case here, but no.

I know it’s a slightly boring family SUV, but the Karoq is a good car with very few weaknesses, other than its perceived mundaneness. But if you just want a dependable hack to do the daily grind of carting the family around, it’s brilliant. It rides nicely, handles tidily, it’s generally refined, the range of engines is strong, the interior is robust and well finished, and it’s surprisingly practical. And I am pleased to report nothing has changed dramatically with this 2.0 TDI Sportline 4X4 spec.

For a start, Skoda has left the suspension as is. The basic set-up offers a good compromise between handling and ride. I am not saying it’s a full-on driver’s car, but it copes well enough with spirited driving to mean you can crack on and trust what’s underneath you. Sure, if you go all the way to the edge and drive it like you stole it – get the suspension fully loaded-up round a corner with a few bumps halfway through – the safety-first front end will let go and you’ll notice some mildly wayward vertical body movements, yet even then it’s not lairy. And let’s face it, how many of the target buyers are going to push it that far? I also think it steers well – the set-up is sensibly weighted and accurate.

More importantly, because they’ve left the suspension alone the ride remains decent. Perhaps not quite as supple on the Sportline’s 18s as it would be on the entry-level Karoq’s 17s, but still very much in the ‘comfortable’ bracket. Continuing that theme are the upgraded vRS sports seats. They might look like something you’d find in a Dakar car and not ideal for everyday duties, but they’re even more supportive than the standard seats in bends but lose none of the long-distance comfort. They are great.

Now, the 2.0 TDI engine is not the ultimate example of smoothness. It’s a bit grumbly at idle or just above, but once it’s past 2,000rpm that disappears and you hardly notice its compression ignition signatures. What you do notice is its prodigious diesel torque, and that’s extremely handy if you want effortless performance. It means you can cover ground with a light foot and at times edge the trip computer towards 60mpg, which translates to about 500 miles of range. In fact, my only issue with the drivetrain was the DSG’s sluggishness at times.

This car had four-wheel drive and a panoramic roof fitted as standard, so did those ruin the practicality? Not really. The Sportline doesn’t come with VarioFlex rear seats, which means the boot is smaller than other Karoqs’, but it’s still 521 litres. That’s big, and when you drop the back seats it’s cavernous. I had to do a massive house-fitting shop at Dunelm, and after laying the rear seats flat I squeezed in four trolley loads of stuff. And when there wasn’t four trolley loads of stuff in the back, I could still sit in the back seats without ducking underneath the glass roof because the headroom was so generous to begin with.

In fact, after a week driving the Karoq Sportline, there were only two things that I thought were a bit ‘Welsh government’. Firstly the name, because it’s not that sporty, really, and secondly the price. At £38,800 it isn’t cheap, but at least it’s well equipped for that money, so unlike the A465 it’s not going to come in hugely over budget because you’ve had to add a load of extras. The most expensive additions to this one were a removable tow bar (£1,090), a technology pack that includes wireless charging and virtual cockpit (£600) and metallic paint (£300), none of which are default essentials.

As I was sat in the Karoq, stuck at an inconceivably slow 50mph travelling along this wide-open expanse of beautiful blacktop, it struck me that the Karoq is everything the Heads of the Valley road is not. Skoda’s tagline is simply clever, and the Karoq is just that. Meanwhile the Welsh Government are simply a bunch of… So I vote we put Skoda in charge of the country, or at least its infrastructure. 


SPECIFICATION | Skoda Karoq Sportline 2.0 TDI 150 DSG 4X4

Engine: 1,968cc, four-cylinder, turbocharged
Transmission: seven-speed dual-clutch, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 150 
Torque (lb ft): 266 
0-62mph: 8.8sec
Top speed: 126mph
Weight: 1,646kg (inc. driver)
MPG: 47.3
CO2: 157g/km
Price: £38,805 (as tested £40,535)

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richinlondon

Original Poster:

900 posts

152 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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nice looking and dare i say it good value with today's car prices.

Shabaza

291 posts

127 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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SEL trim with the clever seats is the pick of the bunch.

Dr G

15,987 posts

272 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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Shabaza said:
SEL trim with the clever seats is the pick of the bunch.
Very clever, and very good value. Offered recently to buy one for Mrs Dr G to replace her aging Golf. She said no, wants to keep the old car.

New bathroom instead? Sorry Skoda!

Trikster

935 posts

232 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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Is there a trend developing here that manufacturers once labelled for their sensibleness (dare I say boring) are now building the sweet spots in there relevant segments... Skoda, Volvo etc

hammo19

7,813 posts

226 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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We have the 2 litre petrol version of this and it is a great car. Skoda make excellent every day reliable usable cars and our experience of the dealers has been top notch.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,772 posts

128 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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The only cars anyone really needs are Skodas, Dacias.... and a Ferrari.

Everything else are just vanity purchases.

Derventio

1,556 posts

128 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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I have to say I am pleasantly surprised by mine. The ride comfort puts the premium brands to shame and even the performance isn't as pedestrian as you might assume, being "only" the 1.6 TDi DSG.

The chassis is rather more competent than you would expect, so if you are prepared to conserve a bit of momentum and just trust it to just get on with things, it can be shuffled along a country road at a fairly tidy lick...as long as it caries just the driver. Once you add passengers and luggage, performance is more tempered than perhaps the petrol turbo or larger engined offerings.

This is never really an issue with me, though. Hooning along more than one up, at anything remotely close to "a fair lick" would result many screeching noises coming from the passenger seat shortly before the administering of an arm deadening punch.

Aside from the frustratingly patchy operation of android auto, the whole ownership experience is proving to be quite satisfying. In actual fact, come replacement time, I am seriously considering upgrading to a 2.0 TSi sportline.

Still Mulling

16,801 posts

207 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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We went car shopping at the weekend with a short list that included estates. I fully expected to discount the SUVs quickly and efficiently.

As it turns out, our replacement family car, hopefully this year, will likely be a used Karoq. Likely 1.5 petrol DSG. Interior was two cuts above the Tuscon in terms of quality and feeling like a 'nice place to be'. Very impressed.

MrHooky

238 posts

172 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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As much as I love the look of the sportline trim externally it seems overly expensive given the kit/trim offered.

We bought a 1.5TSI (150) in SEL trim in 2019 for c.£27k adding full leather (half is standard), digital cockpit, interior LED package and front heated screen. Latter two came as part of an ‘upgrade/cancelled’ order meaning we could have ‘our’ specced car a bit sooner.

We’ve got the sliding/independent/removable rear seats which are excellent. Everyone who’s been in the car is surprised by the quality. We went petrol blue with the cream leather which does look rather classy and lifts what is a bit of a bland interior if specced in black.

I would argue the digital cockpit is essential – I think it was £400 in 2019 as an option. The standard dials really do date it for me whereas the digital screen and configurability make it feel much more modern. Inlaws have the new Kodiaq without digital cockpit which I think is a bit dated.

What I’d be keen to know in this article is whether the rear suspension is independent in the 2.0 diesel sportline. I’m pretty sure the smaller engine models have a solid rear beam which for me makes the ride less comfortable vs the independent set up you get on the Kodiaq which rides a lot better – even on 19s vs our Karoq’s 18s.

I’d also say the standard stereo is crap – worth upgrading to the Canton. I’m used to HK in my 5 series which is another level compared to the standard Skoda.

Notwishtanding the above, it’s a great family car. Small footprint on the road but massive inside both boot wise and rear leg room. My other half has had it coming up to four years and loves it. We’re going to pay off the finance and keep for the time being.


Edited by MrHooky on Wednesday 18th January 15:13

wpa1975

14,777 posts

144 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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MrHooky said:
What I’d be keen to know in this article is whether the rear suspension is independent in the 2.0 diesel sportline. I’m pretty sure the smaller engine models have a solid rear beam which for me makes the ride less comfortable vs the independent set up you get on the Kodiaq which rides a lot better – even on 19s vs our Kodiaq’s 18s.
I believe the 2wd models have a beam, 4wd is independent.



Robertb

3,897 posts

268 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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Interesting what you say about the 50mph limit... long stretches of the M4 have been made into 50mph limits on environmental grounds, which makes driving from Newport to Swansea very tedious, and I really can't see that it makes much difference to noise or emissions. Ironically one section borders the Port Talbot steelworks!

justa1972

342 posts

167 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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Skoda just make very good cars - nice review too smile

My other half has a Kamiq Monte Carlo - it’s quite possibly the best car we have ever had - plenty of guts from the perky little engine, comfortable, 50 mpg on a long run, enough room for four adults and a dog on a weeks holiday and engaging enough around the corners.

And none of the pretension or statements made by other brands….

Roma101

859 posts

177 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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You make a ‘boring’ car sound so appealing! I’m going to have a closer look at these.

leef44

5,201 posts

183 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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Robertb said:
Interesting what you say about the 50mph limit... long stretches of the M4 have been made into 50mph limits on environmental grounds, which makes driving from Newport to Swansea very tedious, and I really can't see that it makes much difference to noise or emissions. Ironically one section borders the Port Talbot steelworks!
I used to go for holiday trips once or twice a year. I just don't bother now. They don't want tourists in Wales.

leef44

5,201 posts

183 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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MrHooky said:
As much as I love the look of the sportline trim externally it seems overly expensive given the kit/trim offered.

We bought a 1.5TSI (150) in SEL trim in 2019 for c.£27k adding full leather (half is standard), digital cockpit, interior LED package and front heated screen. Latter two came as part of an ‘upgrade/cancelled’ order meaning we could have ‘our’ specced car a bit sooner.

We’ve got the sliding/independent/removable rear seats which are excellent. Everyone who’s been in the car is surprised by the quality. We went petrol blue with the cream leather which does look rather classy and lifts what is a bit of a bland interior if specced in black.

I would argue the digital cockpit is essential – I think it was £400 in 2019 as an option. The standard dials really do date it for me whereas the digital screen and configurability make it feel much more modern. Inlaws have the new Kodiaq without digital cockpit which I think is a bit dated.

What I’d be keen to know in this article is whether the rear suspension is independent in the 2.0 diesel sportline. I’m pretty sure the smaller engine models have a solid rear beam which for me makes the ride less comfortable vs the independent set up you get on the Kodiaq which rides a lot better – even on 19s vs our Kodiaq’s 18s.

I’d also say the standard stereo is crap – worth upgrading to the Canton. I’m used to HK in my 5 series which is another level compared to the standard Skoda.

Notwishtanding the above, it’s a great family car. Small footprint on the road but massive inside both boot wise and rear leg room. My other half has had it coming up to four years and loves it. We’re going to pay off the finance and keep for the time being.
Interesting. At £27k it would be very appealing. Looking at the interior of the one in this article, you could literally stick an Audi badge over the Skoda badge and charge £20k more.

Does the Digital Cockpit merely mean digital dash dials? Each to their own. I'm old fashioned. I love analogue dials so I definitely wouldn't want to pay extra for that and it's lovely having the option of being able to pay less and get the more favourable option.

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Edited by leef44 on Wednesday 18th January 14:57

Mammasaid

5,615 posts

127 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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Also take a look at the Seat Ateca, same car, different body, built on the same Slovakian line.

I drove both back to back, and the Seat was a better drive all in all.

leef44

5,201 posts

183 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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The article mentions DSG box being "slugglish"? Is this a common thing?

I've only one experience of the DSG box. That was my sister's Golf Gti Mk5. It was very sluggish like a automatic slush box. I presumed this was the car "learnt" to her driving style.

I just remember the big song and dance of the wonders of DSG with the next gear triggered in anticipation to cut down the shift times. This all seems counter-intuitive.

MrHooky

238 posts

172 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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leef44 said:
Interesting. At £27k it would be very appealing. Looking at the interior of the one in this article, you could literally stick an Audi badge over the Skoda badge and charge £20k more.

Does the Digital Cockpit merely mean digital dash dials? Each to their own. I'm old fashioned. I love analogue dials so I definitely wouldn't want to pay extra for that and it's lovely having the option of being able to pay less and get the more favourable option.

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Edited by leef44 on Wednesday 18th January 14:57
It’s a similar version to what Audi offers but used to be a fraction of the price on Skodas. Know what you mean about analogue dials but they really were the crappy old VAG style you’d get in everything from Golfs to their commercial vehicles. The digital cockpit allows you to choose from about five different themes as well as having the nav in there in various formats. It’s nicely done and very legible. And lifts what would be a boring interior.

This is ours with the light interior. Even SELs got VRS style seats where the headrest is integrated into the back and looks quite sporty.

Prices have gone up now but was easy to negotiate at the time. Showed dealer a car comparison website price and they instantly knocked about £3k off the price.





Edited by MrHooky on Wednesday 18th January 15:35

MrHooky

238 posts

172 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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leef44 said:
The article mentions DSG box being "slugglish"? Is this a common thing?

I've only one experience of the DSG box. That was my sister's Golf Gti Mk5. It was very sluggish like a automatic slush box. I presumed this was the car "learnt" to her driving style.

I just remember the big song and dance of the wonders of DSG with the next gear triggered in anticipation to cut down the shift times. This all seems counter-intuitive.
The box is fine. I think it’s as much the engine it’s paired to that makes the difference.

We’ve got it in the 1.5TSI (150) and it’s nice and smooth. There were reports of a delay/pause in some vehicles when moving away from stationary but I think was rectified by a software/engine map we’ve had done as a recall.
I’ve also driven the Kodiaq 2.02 TDI 150 and 2.0 TSI 190 with the same box and it works well. Nicer in the latter, probably because it just had a bit more power vs the diesel which is a bit gruff as the article mentions.

My only criticism (and this was the same with the DSG 3.2 TT I had – early 2004 model) was that the difference between D and Sport is quite marked, in that everything is way too frantic in sport. I didn’t mind so much in the TT as it sounded good, but there’s no point in putting it in Sport for the 1.5TSI engine. Leave it in D and let the box do it’s thing…

matchmaker

9,067 posts

230 months

Wednesday 18th January 2023
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HVAC controls are buttons and dials, I see. None of this touchscreen nonsense!