RE: KW launches V5 coilovers for Carrera GT
RE: KW launches V5 coilovers for Carrera GT
Friday 10th February 2023

KW launches V5 coilovers for Carrera GT

First new tyres improved Porsche's icon; now KW reckons its dampers can make it better still - for a price


Ask the average enthusiast what they’d improve about the Carrera GT and it wouldn’t be much. It’s one of Porsche’s best designs, powered by a V10 with roots in F1, only ever offered with a manual gearbox. Maybe a few more colours would be nice, but as evidence of what could be achieved in perhaps peak supercar era, the CGT stands proud.

Only that era, the start of the 2000s when Pagani and Koenigsegg were establishing themselves alongside the household names, is now 20 years ago. A lot has changed since then; some of it very good, some less so. KW has used two decades of suspension experience to offer new dampers for the Carrera GT, called the V5.

It has previously offered upgrades, the old Clubsport coilover kit using 911 GT3 engineering. Now the V5 borrows innovations from the 992 GT3 R, and that sounds better. Specifically, it means using solid piston technology as opposed to a monotube or twin-tube dampers. The tech is a little beyond our Luddite grasp, but KW says that it results in a more compact and effective damper, one that requires less spring rate as well - which all sound like good things.

For those with a more intimate understanding of dampers, we’ll refer you to KW’s press release: ‘In contrast to other shock absorber designs, there are no overflowed pistons in the KW solid piston technology. The piston is closed and the entire hydraulic or volume column above and below the piston is displaced. This compact design enlarges the hydraulic working and effective range of the vibration damper.’ Make sense?

Perhaps the most valuable trick of this new suspension, though, is the hydraulic lift option that can lift both axles by 45mm at the push of a button. Basically a CGT Dakar with that kind of ride height, and especially handy for those mad/brave enough to use a carbon-clutched supercar around town.

There’s far more to the V5 upgrade than a lift, however - these coilovers ought to make the sublime V10 Porsche even better to drive. KW suggests the advances made in damper tech since the early 2000s are comparable with the gains made in mobile phone tech; a Galaxy S23 Ultra is technically still a phone like a Sony Ericsson K500 was, only capable of far more. “The entire KW V5 coilover design is made for more sensitive damping and fast feedback due to short spring travels”, said KW’s Brand Manager Florian Johann.

Apparently the new suspension delivers a more harmonious drive straight out of the box than standard, with no setup tweaks. It’s adjustable in high- and low-speed compression as well as rebound, though, with recommended settings in the 14 positions for road and track. KW also believes it’s the best of both worlds (as well it might), offering a more relaxed experience when required as well as a more dynamic drive when the time is right. ‘The entire steering becomes more precise, the handling is more direct and the behaviour feels safer’, apparently. It sounds like a pretty spectacular Carrera GT, by all accounts, given the esteem in which it was already held.

The KW V5 kit is available to Carrera GT customers now; on KW’s UK site, it lists at £18,256 including the hydraulic lift element and the VAT, but not fitting. Still, hardly like anything for a CGT is going to come cheap now, right - it’s bonafide million-dollar exotica. Sounds like those who really want to make the most of Porsche’s best know what they need to do. Don’t believe us? Over to Nick Heidfeld…


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V8 FOU

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3,023 posts

177 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Interesting. I would love to see more about the tech involved here.

pquinn

7,167 posts

76 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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V8 FOU said:
Interesting. I would love to see more about the tech involved here.
You could probably go to the original press release to find out more - this reads like someone fed the original copy through ChatGPT to get some cheap Friday filler.

WCZ

11,557 posts

224 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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at first I thought this was nuts considering how old the car is but then I rememered how many people the CGT has killed, anything that makes it safer to drive is a good thing

Frimley111R

19,315 posts

264 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Shock absorber manufacturer makes parts for 20 year old car and this on the front page of PH? Slow news day and then some...

Ahonen

5,032 posts

309 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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WCZ said:
at first I thought this was nuts considering how old the car is but then I rememered how many people the CGT has killed, anything that makes it safer to drive is a good thing
How many people has it killed?

Arsecati

2,784 posts

147 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Ahonen said:
WCZ said:
at first I thought this was nuts considering how old the car is but then I rememered how many people the CGT has killed, anything that makes it safer to drive is a good thing
How many people has it killed?
3.

One was a passenger in a car on a track, that was actually caused by a Ferrari losing control.
Second and third was was Paul Walker (passenger) and driver Roger Rodas, travelling twice the speed limit on city streets with tyres around 9 years old at the time.

Utter death trap, you'd be out of your mind to even consider getting in to one.

Koyaanisqatsi

2,561 posts

60 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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WCZ said:
at first I thought this was nuts considering how old the car is but then I rememered how many people the CGT has killed, anything that makes it safer to drive is a good thing

jhoneyball

1,802 posts

306 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Arsecati said:
3.

One was a passenger in a car on a track, that was actually caused by a Ferrari losing control.
Second and third was was Paul Walker (passenger) and driver Roger Rodas, travelling twice the speed limit on city streets with tyres around 9 years old at the time.

Utter death trap, you'd be out of your mind to even consider getting in to one.
I knew someone who died in his McLaren F1, killing the two passengers too, on the A120 near Braintree.

Not sure the F1 is known as being an "utter death trap"

Murcielago_Boy

2,014 posts

269 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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I'll mostly ignore the sensationalist and uninformed comment about 'how many has it killed' ?

Anyway, these dampers are very interesting.
I've enquired and the kit is around £23,000 installed which is, err.... not a small sum. Suspension lift would be VERY welcome and a softer spring rate would be interesting too as the rears can start to spin even at high speed over undulations and bumps (which can apparently be solved by softening the rear ARB). Above all the OEM dampers leak and cost £3k per corner so when it's time to replace them that then brings this into play...

Although, I do wonder if I'm even handy enough to really feel the handling benefits on a hoon on the road! The OEM setup yields an unbelievably responsive car already.


sidesauce

2,967 posts

248 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Murcielago_Boy said:
I'll mostly ignore the sensationalist and uninformed comment about 'how many has it killed' ?

Anyway, these dampers are very interesting.
I've enquired and the kit is around £23,000 installed which is, err.... not a small sum. Suspension lift would be VERY welcome and a softer spring rate would be interesting too as the rears can start to spin even at high speed over undulations and bumps (which can apparently be solved by softening the rear ARB). Above all the OEM dampers leak and cost £3k per corner so when it's time to replace them that then brings this into play...

Although, I do wonder if I'm even handy enough to really feel the handling benefits on a hoon on the road! The OEM setup yields an unbelievably responsive car already.
If you can afford the £1.3 million or so asking price for the car, you can definitely afford £23k for the dampers. The fact they offer suspension lift is worth the asking price alone in my view. I also think the idea the OEM setup is somehow 'better' in this case to be null as the game has moved on so much in 20 years - in my mind this entire package should be a total no-brainer for any CGT owner.

GTRene

22,656 posts

254 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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I wonder how good such carrera gt would be today with that set and the best tires now available on a circuit like the Nürburgring to compare times set 10 years or so ago and then today with todays suspension and tires.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,772 posts

128 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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I'm amazed if they will have spent much time developing this product.

If you think how many owners actually bother to drive their car that often and then how many of those will hear about this, and then how many of those would want to move on from original spec or care and I can't imagine you end up with a big number.

So they are not going to sell many, so can't afford to spend of money developing it...

kharma45

332 posts

103 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Arsecati said:
3.

One was a passenger in a car on a track, that was actually caused by a Ferrari losing control.
Second and third was was Paul Walker (passenger) and driver Roger Rodas, travelling twice the speed limit on city streets with tyres around 9 years old at the time.

Utter death trap, you'd be out of your mind to even consider getting in to one.
I don't know about the others but the Paul Walker one, the car was on 9 year old tyres and massively exceeding the speed limit. That isn't on the vehicle, that's the owner.

mat205125

17,790 posts

243 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Arsecati said:
Ahonen said:
WCZ said:
at first I thought this was nuts considering how old the car is but then I rememered how many people the CGT has killed, anything that makes it safer to drive is a good thing
How many people has it killed?
3.

One was a passenger in a car on a track, that was actually caused by a Ferrari losing control.
Second and third was was Paul Walker (passenger) and driver Roger Rodas, travelling twice the speed limit on city streets with tyres around 9 years old at the time.

Utter death trap, you'd be out of your mind to even consider getting in to one.
rofl

Exactly the above, tongue in cheek sentiment.

Celebrity involvement, one unfortunate incident affecting two people, ignore the well known mitigating circumstances of temperature and tyre age, and somehow the car is some kind of widdowmaker.

As much as we push and cry of analogue driving machines, its little wonder that manufacturers are disinterested in providing them, is it.

C.A.R.

3,993 posts

218 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Does anyone else think that actually; £23k fitted for aftermarket suspension, given the cost of the base car, is actually very reasonable?

When you consider how easily fools with money are separated when the likes of some aftermarket 'tuning' companies are involved, a product which has been properly developed and will actually improve the car seems like good value at £23k!

Arsecati

2,784 posts

147 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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jhoneyball said:
I knew someone who died in his McLaren F1, killing the two passengers too, on the A120 near Braintree.

Not sure the F1 is known as being an "utter death trap"
kharma45 said:
I don't know about the others but the Paul Walker one, the car was on 9 year old tyres and massively exceeding the speed limit. That isn't on the vehicle, that's the owner.
Seriously lads? No concept of sarcasm at all? I CLEARLY described how the car was not at fault in either event........ yet you both took my 'death trap' quip literally?

jhoneyball

1,802 posts

306 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Arsecati said:
Seriously lads? No concept of sarcasm at all? I CLEARLY described how the car was not at fault in either event........ yet you both took my 'death trap' quip literally?
Its hard to distinguish between "ste written on the internet" and "sarcasm" when there are no clues either way. Default case is "read what was written"

woops

77 posts

220 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
I'm amazed if they will have spent much time developing this product.

If you think how many owners actually bother to drive their car that often and then how many of those will hear about this, and then how many of those would want to move on from original spec or care and I can't imagine you end up with a big number.

So they are not going to sell many, so can't afford to spend of money developing it...
You might be surprised. I was given a tour of the workshops at Porsche Reading a few years back. It was full of 918s, only a few CGTs, and the guy showing me round was pretty certain the CGTs they looked after were getting used a lot more. There’s CGT near me and I see it pretty regularly in the summer months. Sure no one is going to daily one, but I suspect there are quite a few enthusiast owned cars.

pquinn

7,167 posts

76 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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C.A.R. said:
a product which has been properly developed and will actually improve the car seems like good value at £23k!
Both of these assume you believe the manufacturer's press release.

I'm sure they're a perfectly adequate replacement for what's already fitted, but as someone else mentioned even at £23K a pop for the size of the market they're hardly likely to have put silly amounts of effort in to a specific application. Most likely they took their latest shiny design, made a version that fits the car, then baselined it against the OEM version and tweaked slightly from there.


Bencolem

1,188 posts

269 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Doug will be happy.