RE: EU exempts small carmakers from ICE ban
RE: EU exempts small carmakers from ICE ban
Friday 17th February 2023

EU exempts small carmakers from combustion ban

Good news - 2035 ruling won't apply to those registering fewer than 1,000 units a year


Among various criticisms surrounding the EU’s decision to ban the sale of new internal combustion engines from 2035 was the likely impact on small manufacturers. To those makers like Caterham, Morgan, Ariel and BAC, it looked disastrous: not only was there the huge cost of creating electrified powertrains to contend with, demand had to be called into question as well. Would anyone want a lightweight, roofless, visceral sports car with a silent powertrain?

For the moment, it looks like those hurdles can be - if not forgotten about - then made less of a priority for a while, as the EU has decided that car makers registering fewer than 1,000 cars a year will be exempt from the no emissions ruling. It doesn’t get much mention in the broader confirmation statement about 2035, but it’s there alright in the post signing confirmation: ‘Manufacturers responsible for small production volumes in a calendar year (1,000 to 10,000 new cars or 1,000 to 22,000 new vans) may be granted a derogation until the end of 2035 (those registering fewer than 1 000 new vehicles per year continue to be exempt)’.

So insignificant that it’s bracketed, in fact (!) but obviously of huge importance to those manufacturers that the UK specialises in - and which continue to be admired abroad. The situation in the UK hasn’t been clarified yet, though confirmation from the Department for Transport that it will replicate the EU’s decision is expected soon. (Although who knows what might happen with this government.) Be that as it may, for the moment at least, there is no end in sight for new Ariel Atoms and Caterham Sevens featuring engines going on sale in the EU - and while supply issues are likely to become a speed bump at some point - that still feels like very good news. 

Of course, that is unlikely to mean that firms will abandon plans for a greener sort of sports car. There’s just maybe not quite the same urgency attached to them as before. Projects like the electric Caterham, BAC Mono powered by hydrogen and whatever might happen with a zero emissions Morgan will no doubt continue to progress. But at least none of the manufacturers concerned need to agonise about a future stop date. 

Asked for comment by Autocar, a Morgan spokesperson said: “Morgan remains committed to producing lightweight, handcrafted, fun-to-drive and bespoke sports cars, whether they're powered by internal combustion or alternative propulsion methods. We know this is exactly what our customers want now and in the future.” Simon Saunders and Henry Siebert Saunders of Ariel said the decision was “very welcome”, giving the company “more flexibility as we move towards zero emissions.” The f-word is surely going to be key as we move towards a world less dependent on fossil fuels, as what works for one situation can’t always apply with the same effectiveness to another. Let’s hope policymakers in the UK follow suit.


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fantheman80

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2,658 posts

79 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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TVR should be ok then...

whp1983

1,395 posts

169 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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Sensible move…. I can see further allowances being made.

RumbleOfThunder

3,725 posts

233 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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I fear by 2035 it will be so socially unacceptable to drive a new sports car with an ICE, that potential customers will be browbeaten into not wanting one.

MisterBigglesworth

460 posts

78 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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RumbleOfThunder said:
I fear by 2035 it will be so socially unacceptable to drive a new sports car with an ICE, that potential customers will be browbeaten into not wanting one.
Based on some attitudes here from Tesla acolytes referring to ICE owners as dinosaurs, luddite, backwards etc I fear you may be right.


sie10110

55 posts

126 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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All that's needed then is a friendly engine supplier..... oh.

S600BSB

8,491 posts

136 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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MisterBigglesworth said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
I fear by 2035 it will be so socially unacceptable to drive a new sports car with an ICE, that potential customers will be browbeaten into not wanting one.
Based on some attitudes here from Tesla acolytes referring to ICE owners as dinosaurs, luddite, backwards etc I fear you may be right.
Which is why we will enjoy it all the more...

damonbill

278 posts

275 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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RumbleOfThunder said:
I fear by 2035 it will be so socially unacceptable to drive a new sports car with an ICE, that potential customers will be browbeaten into not wanting one.
I imagine the secondhand sports / super / collectable car market is going to go wild as we close in on 2035. Old TH and his family etc will go from super smug to absolute turbo smug.

Whats the likelyhood of big car manufacturers devloping making small spin off brands with high margin ICE cars?

Killer2005

20,615 posts

258 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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Pagani will be safe too

fantheman80

Original Poster:

2,658 posts

79 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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RumbleOfThunder said:
I fear by 2035 it will be so socially unacceptable to drive a new sports car with an ICE, that potential customers will be browbeaten into not wanting one.
i cant see pedestrians or the neighbours throwing rotten fruit at you by then, there will be so many ICE cars left on the roads no one will notice


Macboy

784 posts

235 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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I'm all for this but like all these rules it'll be open to abuse like the current CO2 targets where the likes of the INEOS Grenadier are registering 70% of their station wagons as commericals to circumvent the emissions rules. If it's genuinely small manufacturers like Caterham and Morgan then that's very welcome.

loudlashadjuster

6,486 posts

214 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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So, all that pearl-clutching was for nothing? It was always very likely that something like this would be announced.

Equus

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131 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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the article said:
The situation in the UK hasn’t been clarified yet, though confirmation from the Department for Transport that it will replicate the EU’s decision is expected soon. (Although who knows what might happen with this government)
There would be a certain irony if the UK Government chose not to follow suit, and pressed ahead with an outright ban, regardless. biggrin

Engine supply will be the problem in the longer term, but that might be good news for the kit car industry, with a return to recycling engines from older vehicles.


S600BSB

8,491 posts

136 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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Is the ban in the UK still 2030?

Dale487

1,469 posts

153 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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sie10110 said:
All that's needed then is a friendly engine supplier..... oh.
They'll be engines made for other markets which might be able to be used or buy rights to one - but yes its not simple.

Fastlane

1,350 posts

247 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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Equus said:
There would be a certain irony if the UK Government chose not to follow suit, and pressed ahead with an outright ban, regardless. biggrin

Engine supply will be the problem in the longer term, but that might be good news for the kit car industry, with a return to recycling engines from older vehicles.
You mean taking back control from those bloody foreigners?

SydneyBridge

11,829 posts

188 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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S600BSB said:
Is the ban in the UK still 2030?
Yes, sales of just new petrol/diesel but hybrids ok till 2035

MotorSpeak

142 posts

63 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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Lawyers will be looking for loopholes to include as many cars as possible; how about setting up several subsidiary car manufacturers and maxing out each to €1,000? Maybe we can expect a bunch of defunct car brands like Lancia being revived to rebadge Ferraris etc.

Evil.soup

4,047 posts

235 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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Seems great news, but it does make me wonder, with only a few ICE manufacturers producing cars in 2035, will demand for these cars increase and in turn increase sales to the point they have to stop production?

Its an out there idea, but certainly not an unthinkable situation that could occur.

Equally, if you are short of the 1000 cars PA, would there be scope to add some mainstream hot hatch type cars into the mix. Just imagine a light weight but more usable hot hatch style car from Caterham...just day dreaming I guess but could be a great sales machine if 1000 units just isn't happening each year.

wpa1975

14,761 posts

144 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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Great news for the smaller companies.

SydneyBridge

11,829 posts

188 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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Good news for petrol companies....