RE: Bentley confirms end of W12 production

RE: Bentley confirms end of W12 production

Tuesday 21st February 2023

Bentley confirms end of W12 production

After more than 20 years and 100,000 units, the last W12 will be built in April 2024


It’s rare for an engine to define a brand in the 2000s, but that’s exactly what the 6.0-litre W12 did for Bentley’s 21st-century rejuvenation. For many years, the Continental GT and Flying Spur were offered solely (and very successfully) with the 12-cylinder unit, and the most powerful versions - up to the 700hp Supersports - were always the 6.0-litre. Anyone who thought the W12 didn’t sound that great, moreover, was silenced in emphatic fashion by the Pikes Peak car.

The engine has garnered itself quite the reputation over the years, but all good things must come to an end, and Bentley has confirmed the last W12 will leave Crewe in April 2024. This being Bentley, however, and this engine being made in the Dream Factory - their name, not ours - the big lump is not going quietly. The final iteration of it is in the Batur; you might remember a power figure was suggested only to be ‘more than 740hp’ when revealed last year. Now that final figure has been confirmed as a mighty 750hp at 5,500rpm, which seems an appropriately gargantuan output for this engine to sign off with. The Batur will also boast a mighty 737lb ft, all the way from 1,750rpm to 5,000rpm. The W12 experience has always been defined by a monstrous mid-range, so these sorts of numbers only seem right.

It's easy to think of the 6.0-litre being the same engine since its first use in the 2003 Continental GT, but it’s been kept fresh over the years. Bentley says that it’s 54 per cent torquier than in 2003 - it was launched with 479lb ft and will sign off with 737lb ft, which is impressive, especially so given a 25 per cent reduction in emissions as well. The W12’s most significant overhaul came with the launch of the Bentayga in 2015 (what a great pairing of car and engine that was), which is the engine that remains in production now, with the introduction of twin-scroll turbos, cylinder deactivation, and direct and port injection.

Despite that, though, it was clear that even the cleanest 12-cylinder engine wasn’t going to align with Bentley’s Beyond100 plan. As it strives to create a lineup for the 2030s that doesn’t emit a single gram of carbon dioxide, so the W12 must go. Its line, and the 6.5 hours per engine invested, will now become part of an expanded area for production of the V8 and V6 Hybrid. The folk who build the W12s will be retrained and redeployed in Bentley, presumably with black armbands on for a good few months after. More cheerily, it should be noted that the Bentley PHEVs have apparently exceeded expectations in terms of demand. When the W12 is finally wound up, every Bentley in production will be offered with a plug.

Adrian Hallmark, Bentley’s Chairman and Chief Exec, said of the W12’s passing: “Our progressive journey towards sustainable luxury mobility means making changes to every area of Bentley Motors. When we first launched the W12 back in 2003, we knew we had a mighty engine that would propel both our cars and the brand forwards at speed. 20 years and more than 100,000 W12s later, the time has come to retire this now-iconic powertrain as we take strides towards electrification – but not without giving it the best send-off possible, with the most powerful version of the engine ever created.”

Those still after a new W12 Bentley can still get one, though ‘very few’ order slots are said to be available. Of course, with more than 105,000 units delivered over 20 years, there are plenty to pick from secondhand, from £12k mega brave pill all the way to £300k Pikes Peak tribute. The latest and greatest Speed, perhaps the best Bentley to house the W12 over the years, can be bought for £200k - it really will feel worth every penny.


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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,898 posts

231 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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I guess all good things must come to an end. Having experienced a Bentley with one of these, they actually are something quite special.

SweptVolume

1,119 posts

106 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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I may be totally mis-remembering, but wasn't the basis of the W12 a couple of VR6's? In which case, is this truly the end for one of VW's best engines after over 30 years in one form or another?

The AE888 in my SEAT is strong, but sounds like an old tractor when accelerating. Not a patch on the ol' VR6 (or W12, of course).

samoht

6,554 posts

159 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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(copied over from my first attempt at responding to this story, which created a detached thread)

Interesting to look back on the history of the narrow-angle vee engine, which allows a single camshaft to serve all cylinders (as in an inline engine) but the splay between the cylinders allowing a shorter total length. 2024 will be 102 years since Lancia introduced the idea with their V4 engine; the idea then lay dormant between the retirement of the Fulvia in 1976 and the VW Group resurrecting the idea in 1991 for a hot Golf.


(pic from wikipedia)

Two VR6s on a common crank gave the W12, the shorter total length being particularly helpful with the Audi-derived 4wd layout that puts the entire engine ahead of the front axle line.


WCZ

11,017 posts

207 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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Such a special engine !

Crazy you can get a conti for £12k now

NGK210

3,768 posts

158 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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Can’t help feeling this is a short-sighted move, because carbon-neutral synthetic petrol – eg, Zero Petroleum and Coryton’s – seems to be gaining momentum, albeit slowly and it's currently a tad pricey.

And considering EVs are CO2-positive until they accumulate over 30k mileage - I bet very few Bentleys do over 30k during a 3-year lease? – Bentley’s zero-CO2 Beyond100 plan doesn’t exactly ‘add up’.

https://www.evo.co.uk/fuels/205634/synthetic-v-reg...

coates848

100 posts

146 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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I've never driven a W12 or a V8 version of any modern Bentley so i'm in no position to comment really, but isn't there a school of thought that the W12 was/is actually the weak link in the lineup? I do know a couple of Bentley owners who both are less than complimentary about the W12 with one of them even going so far as to call it a "dog" of an engine. By comparison they both say the V8s are lovely and much preferable to the W12s they previously had. Perhaps it's a case of the engine being significantly improved over the years as the article says, by comparison to the earlier versions they both ran in Continental GTs back in the 2000s.

The demise of any large capacity 12 cylinder engine is always a sad moment so farewell W12. But it is surely to the 6.75 V8 L-Series that will always be more fondly remembered and where the smart collectors would put their money.

Edited by coates848 on Wednesday 22 February 12:12

W12AAM

133 posts

94 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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Absolute madness....And, once again, following this Eco-Stupidity, dished out by these stupid politicians we all voted for..

I just hope that Bentley and some of these other great car manufacturers have a basement garage where they still develop ICE for when we have the equivalent of "Diesel Gate" , at the end of this decade, and we all go back to where we once were....But the Chinese would have all bought up & moved over to China by then?

The way we are going; I can see the Flintstones car will be as good as it gets, if we keep going down this Eco-Stupidity route!

Dr Interceptor

8,135 posts

209 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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I bought Dad a GTC V8S last year, and it is a beautifully made car with plenty of pace. Can only imagine that the W12 is even more fantastic.

Realistically though, 535bhp was enough for my old man laugh

D4rez

1,667 posts

69 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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NGK210 said:
Can’t help feeling this is a short-sighted move, because carbon-neutral synthetic petrol – eg, Zero Petroleum and Coryton’s – seems to be gaining momentum, albeit slowly and it's currently a tad pricey.

And considering EVs are CO2-positive until they accumulate over 30k mileage - I bet very few Bentleys do over 30k during a 3-year lease? – Bentley’s zero-CO2 Beyond100 plan doesn’t exactly ‘add up’.

https://www.evo.co.uk/fuels/205634/synthetic-v-reg...
Sure they might’ve thought about that for five minutes before realising it was a crock

Lockhouse

282 posts

212 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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This was inevitable but sad news indeed. The engine that saved Bentley.

I have a Gen 1 Supersports and you genuinely can't open the car up on a public road (without going illegal). When you do (on a track obvs) it's unreal.

Clarkson did it best:


Hereward

4,620 posts

243 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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This engine also made its way in to the first generation VW Touareg back in 2004:


GTRene

18,640 posts

237 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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I thought they were more compact :-)

how does the weight of such W12 compare to say a Jag V12 or BMW V12

such W12 makes great power though, I guess thats with turbo's, ah it is.

GTRene

18,640 posts

237 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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ow, thats a big difference V12 W12 that way you can make a car shorter or put the engine easier behind the front axle.




Amanitin

459 posts

150 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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GTRene said:
ow, thats a big difference V12 W12 that way you can make a car shorter or put the engine easier behind the front axle.
there seems to be a lot of excess metal in the W12.
presumably the block is significantly heavier

Bloxxcreative

562 posts

58 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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While it's sad for those involved, I can't help an EV power train would suit the car better 99% of the time.

MDUBZ

1,010 posts

113 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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WCZ said:
Such a special engine !

Crazy you can get a conti for £12k now
Brave pills or deep pockets mandatory though.. if you only did avg mileage it still might cost you that again in running costs pa. Doesn't stop me trying to use man maths to rationalise it as a sensible daily commuter however.....

AmyRichardson

1,667 posts

55 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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GTRene said:
ow, thats a big difference V12 W12 that way you can make a car shorter or put the engine easier behind the front axle.



Except it was designed short because it was going entirely ahead of the front axle.

Honestly, if you didn't have that constraint you wouldn't design a W12 - split journals, balance shafts and all that stuff (which still don't produce V12 smoothness) that a V12 doesn't need because it's inherently right from the get go.

Rumdoodle

1,214 posts

33 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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Dr Interceptor said:
I bought Dad a GTC V8S last year, and it is a beautifully made car with plenty of pace. Can only imagine that the W12 is even more fantastic.

Realistically though, 535bhp was enough for my old man laugh
Can I adopt you?

Dr Interceptor

8,135 posts

209 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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Rumdoodle said:
Dr Interceptor said:
I bought Dad a GTC V8S last year, and it is a beautifully made car with plenty of pace. Can only imagine that the W12 is even more fantastic.

Realistically though, 535bhp was enough for my old man laugh
Can I adopt you?
laugh I’m not sure he’d be too happy about that!

It wasn’t new, 65 plate, but only has 20k miles on it and was for sale at a Bentley main dealer. Love the Sequin Blue!


NGK210

3,768 posts

158 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2023
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D4rez said:
NGK210 said:
Can’t help feeling this is a short-sighted move, because carbon-neutral synthetic petrol – eg, Zero Petroleum and Coryton’s – seems to be gaining momentum, albeit slowly and it's currently a tad pricey.

And considering EVs are CO2-positive until they accumulate over 30k mileage - I bet very few Bentleys do over 30k during a 3-year lease? – Bentley’s zero-CO2 Beyond100 plan doesn’t exactly ‘add up’.

https://www.evo.co.uk/fuels/205634/synthetic-v-reg...
Sure they might’ve thought about that for five minutes before realising it was a crock
A "crock", how exactly?

Currently, EVs are CO2-positive until they hit 30k miles - although the Musk propagandaministerium would have us believe otherwise.

At time of writing, there're 34 2019 W12 Conti GTs for sale on Autotrader (AT).

For sake of argument, let's assume all 34 W12 GTs were leased and, therefore, now past their 3-year lease period and their initial keepers have moved on to a new leased vehicle.

Of the 34, only 4 have a mileage of over 30k.

So, if they were EVs, only 4 would be aligning with Bentley’s zero-CO2 Beyond100 plan - the other 30, obviously, would still be humongously CO2-positive.

Meanwhile, the initial keepers have leased new EVs, which are also CO2-positive. And round-and-round the CO2-increasing conundrum spins.

Perhaps a more workable solution would've been the banning of fossil fuels in 2035, not ICEs?

In turn, the oil companies would've been forced to invest in the production of carbon-neutral synthetic petrol. But that'd be too cost prohibitive? Erm, no...

How about diverting the $932 billion the world’s 20 biggest oil companies are projected to spend by the end of 2030 developing new oil fields?

If Shell, Exxon, et al, were only producing synthetic petrol, then all existing and new ICEs would be carbon-neutral, their existing and effective refuelling infrastructure could be retained, environment-plundering battery production would be unnecessary, as would CO2-increasing BEVs.

Meanwhile, there'd be sufficient time to develop a green-hydrogen refuelling network for HFCVs. Hydrogen-electric is the desired end-game for the the aviation, shipping and road freight sectors, so why are cars / personal transport being forced into a BEV cul-de-sac?