RE: First Lotus saloon since Carlton caught testing
RE: First Lotus saloon since Carlton caught testing
Monday 27th February 2023

First Lotus saloon since Carlton caught testing

The 'Envya' probably won't be called that - but it certainly will need to take on the Porsche Taycan


Those who know their Lotuses well will know their Types: the 131 was the Emira, the 132 was the Eletre, and now there’s the Type 133, the Lotus forthcoming electric saloon intended to sit alongside the SUV and hypercar in the EV lineup. It will rival cars like the Porsche Taycan, Audi e-tron GT, Mercedes EQ S and Polestar 5 when it launches in 2024.  

These winter testing images are the most revealing yet of a car that might (or might not) be called the Envya. While that aspect of its identity is in some doubt, Lotus certainly isn’t being shy about advertising its newest product with the livery. And even with a less obvious disguise, a few key details - most notably the Eletre-style front lights - would give this four-door away as a Lotus EV. Notable for this car as well are enormous brake discs behind the alloy wheels (themselves sat on giant Michelin tyres), suggesting this will be as potent as the up-to-905hp Eletre. One way for Lotus to announce itself in the EV saloon sphere would be to nab all the Porsche Taycan’s lap records. Just a thought, of course. 

The Envya is likely to be based on the same Electric Premium Architecture as is found in the Eletre. If the Lotus Type 133 follows the 132 in terms of hardware, that’ll mean 350kW charging is possible, and assuming a similar weight a range around 370 miles with a battery between 92 and 120kWh. Just don’t expect the Recaro bucket seats seen here to feature on a production car, of course.  

Obviously, the Envya would be the first Lotus saloon since the Carlton, which gives it a certain amount of cache denied to the SUV. Autocar reported last year that ‘global’ Lotus dealers had been shown the final design and were ‘very excited’ about the prospect. Clearly, there is much work still to do (not least because the test mule ended up going back to base on a tow truck) but we’re willing to agree with the dealers - the car looks great in profile. Assuming Hethel’s plan is still on track (which was four new electric cars in the five years from 2021), the Envya should be officially unveiled later this year ahead of sales next. Then another SUV in 2025, and the sports car in cahoots with Alpine come 2026. There’ll be a Lotus EV for all before we know it. 


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jayemm89

Original Poster:

4,470 posts

160 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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Wait, isn't that a KIA Stinger?

ChrisCh86

1,132 posts

74 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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Looks great. I'd much rather have a saloon than an inefficient SUV (with a poor coefficient of drag).

Shame it'll most likely be priced way beyond my league - £80k+ I would think.


Looks like I'll stick with the Tesla Model 3 / Hyundai Ioniq 6 (although both are financially out of my reach for a few more years).

boombang

551 posts

204 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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  • * Insert joke about Lotus on back of a recovery truck ***

SLS1968

12 posts

99 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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Maybe it's just me, but I find that impossibly bland; it's like an even more bland version of an Audi A7

FlukePlay

1,195 posts

175 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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jayemm89 said:
Wait, isn't that a KIA Stinger?
And they didn't sell too many in that guise either...

When is a brand going to actually make an EV wagon?

Lotobear

9,156 posts

158 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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Boring, boring, boring - why does every new EV look the same?

Martyn76

843 posts

147 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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FlukePlay said:
And they didn't sell too many in that guise either...

When is a brand going to actually make an EV wagon?
VW have one on the way, due 2024/25 apparently.
https://www.electrifying.com/blog/article/volkswag...


Dingu

4,893 posts

60 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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Lotobear said:
Boring, boring, boring - why does every new EV look the same?
Because all the feedback probably says customers value range over looks, so they are then designed to that brief.

nevillecarpenter

6 posts

72 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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Horses for courses, there are different cars for different things. If it looks like the A7 then it could be going after the executive market. Is that such a bad thing?.

Dombilano

1,458 posts

85 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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Please please call it the Lotus CarltEn

V8V Quadcamboy

167 posts

53 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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Dombilano said:
Please please call it the Lotus CarltEn
This +1

Oakman

368 posts

188 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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Wouldn’t it most likely have been delivered to testing on a low loader.

I’m not excusing any potential breakdowns in a text vehicle. Just that they are loaded up with so much sophisticated test equipment they wouldn’t want to risk a road incident destroying all the data.

Also what is the body shell going to be made from, Lotus traditional composites & GFRP or is it going to be metal + composites ?

Yes it does very much look like a Kia Stinger, Ford Mondeo, Jaguar etc.

RumbleOfThunder

3,725 posts

233 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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Crikey this feels all wrong for Lotus. I'm not some stuffy old boomer who thinks Lotus shouldn't stray outside small sports cars, but this will surely be a very difficult and expensive undertaking. A 4 door super saloon?! At least with the Eletre, we know there is proven demand for "Exotic" SUV's.

Holgate86

471 posts

70 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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If it manages to weigh under 2 tonnes, I guess I'll almost be happy.......

ate one too

2,914 posts

176 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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Looks like a badge-engineered Polestar 5 to me.


JerryF

333 posts

204 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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So it has begun, Geely weakening the Lotus brand.

Tell me, where will it be manufactured?

Short answer China and it could just as easily be branded a VOLVO!

Just no thank you!

Grinnders

1,558 posts

234 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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Surely the fact the transporter has got Pistonheads on the door suggests this is a doctored picture one way or another?

Grinnders

1,558 posts

234 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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ate one too said:
Looks like a badge-engineered Polestar 5 to me.

This is more likely (same parent company)

blearyeyedboy

6,811 posts

209 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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I find the idea of a new Lotus saloon fascinating.

I find the notion of this being "caught"- complete with advertising stickers to drum up interest and demand- rather nauseating. Why the pretence at mystery?

KarlMac

4,627 posts

171 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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JerryF said:
So it has begun, Geely weakening the Lotus brand!
What brand? Bankrupt sports car manufacturer that couldn't put a car together properly?