RE: Rare Mercedes-Benz E500 Limited for sale
RE: Rare Mercedes-Benz E500 Limited for sale
Wednesday 1st March 2023

Rare Mercedes-Benz E500 Limited for sale

It may be wearing the three-pointed star, but Stuttgart's other carmaker pieced it all together


It’s difficult to see a future where Porsche would see any benefit in buddying up with a rival for, say, the purpose of building a performance car (not with VW's parts bin to dive into, at any rate). But in the days before mega sellers like the Cayenne and Boxster, the company would occasionally team up with other German carmakers – long before they were competitors or cohorts – to lend out its sports car knowhow and earn a few Deutschemarks in the process.

The most obvious example is the Audi RS2, a car that Porsche made a very tangible contribution to – from upgrading the engine to peppering the exterior with bits and pieces from the 964 parts bin. But before it started work on the legendary super estate, Porsche was busy helping Mercedes (yes, really) put together a hot version of the W124 E-Class. Mercedes had attempted to enlisted AMG for its expertise in turning humdrum saloons and coupes into autobahn stormers, but unfortunately the independent tuning firm was unable to meet the production requirements of around 20 cars per day. With AMG off the table, Mercedes' next port of call would be Porsche...

The car in question was the 500E, though later models were badged the E500 (more on that in a bit). The idea was simple and is one that Mercedes perfected in the coming years: take an E-Class, shove a massive V8 up front and, voila, you’ve got yourself a super saloon. Of course, AMG had been doing this for some time by the late 1980s, but at nowhere near the volume Mercedes had in mind. The 500E, meanwhile, would be an in-house project, with Mercedes supplying the parts while Porsche handled most of the assembly. It was a highly convoluted production process, with cars pinging back and forth between the two company’s facilities in Stuttgart over an 18-day period. Still, it probably left a smaller carbon footprint than the global production lines of today.

The 500E was powered by Merc’s own M119 5.0-litre V8 derived from the R129 SL, retaining the same 326hp and 54lb ft of torque output as the drop-top. The brakes were also pinched from the SL, while a reworked suspension layout lowered the car by 23mm and extended the track width by 38mm. This not only made the E500 look exceptionally mean - especially with those extended wheel arches - but it was rapid in a straight line. An official 0-62mph time of 6.1 seconds is widely believed to be conservative, in true German car giant fashion, with journalists at the time claiming to have clocked times up to half a second faster. Top speed was limited to 155mph, though digging around online suggests the four-speed automatic gearbox would prevent you from exceeding 165mph if the limiter were to be removed.

As the title suggests, this is no regular 500E; it’s the later, far rarer E500 Limited model. Admittedly, these were practically identical to the standard car, save for suspension tweaks that lowered the ride height further still. It did, however, get a host of cosmetic upgrades, including birdseye maple trim, a very jazzy seat pattern that’s mirrored on the steering wheel, colour-coded floor mats and those stunning 17-inch wheels plucked from the legendary 190E Evo II. Less than 10 per cent of the initial 10,479-strong E500 production run were Limited models, but only a handful made their way to the UK.

This car, however, was originally registered in Germany in 1994, before it was acquired by a British collector who imported it to the UK in 2000. It’s changed hands a few times since then, with the most recent owner being an avid German car collector. It’s covered 97,000km (or 60,000 miles in old money), with recent work including a replacement engine wiring loom which, according to the ad, is a bit of a weak spot on the E500. And while it doesn’t have the overt Porsche connection that an RS2 might have, the E500 was all about understatement. You’ll know that you’ve got something special on your hands - a Mercedes mostly hand-built by Porsche – and that’s all that matters.


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Hairymonster

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1,669 posts

130 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Beautiful car - so understated, the polar opposite of some of the garish stuff emerging from the factory these days.

Smint

3,047 posts

60 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Incredibly rare a facelift W124 in E500 form.
A handful of these came in from Japan a few years ago, sensibly priced at the time too, from memory this would have been 8/10 years ago circa £13k for lower mileage models.
To my eyes one of THE most handsome cars ever to have seen the road, from all angles they just look 'right'.

Engine wiring loom is the bane of all facelift W124s, i (and my bank account) could nearly write a book on the things, hopefully this had a complete new loom and not just the repair section for the top of the engine which MB brought out a few years ago for the 6 cyl models, maybe the V8 didn't have a repair section option.

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Edited by Smint on Wednesday 1st March 06:43

nobrakes

3,775 posts

223 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Anyone applied to see what the poa is then?!

smithyithy

7,802 posts

143 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Fabulous car. Something so right about Merc styling from this era, both exterior and interior.

What would be a price estimate for this, must be in the 40k+ band?

Andy83n

597 posts

87 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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In 2017 I'd agreed a price of €10500 for a non Limited 500E in Switzerland that had had a new upgraded wiring loom and hoses throughout the engine bay.

Couldn't make the trip to see it and he sold it a few days later.

Think about it quite often as they're touching £30k now for the standard early cars.

The dream version is an E60 AMG but they're £200k+ for a factory version (less for one of the Japanese market conversions)

Still first car in my euromillions garage

Edited by Andy83n on Wednesday 1st March 07:01

MDL111

8,632 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Love the way these look

S600BSB

7,673 posts

131 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Like that a lot.

Boom78

1,499 posts

73 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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It may be a Mercedes with a Porsche connection but to my eyes it looks like a private taxi. No thanks.

sidesauce

2,967 posts

243 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Boom78 said:
It may be a Mercedes with a Porsche connection but to my eyes it looks like a private taxi. No thanks.
Fully agreed.

mjo1

34 posts

148 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Cam, please proof read before publishing. "Enlisted" in the second paragraph and an incorrect torque figure in the fourth para.

cerb4.5lee

42,284 posts

205 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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I had so much want for the 500E back then, and I really liked the Q car appeal of it. It was such an ordinary looking car, but with a V8 punch. The C63 6.2 V8 from more recent years is very similar too, nothing to look at, but it has a wonderful engine as well I reckon.

Agent57

2,360 posts

179 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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sidesauce said:
Boom78 said:
It may be a Mercedes with a Porsche connection but to my eyes it looks like a private taxi. No thanks.
Fully agreed.
I think that was the point. It even appeared in a film called Taxi.

I love the understatedness.

But would prefer it if they did a coupe in right hand drive.

bumskins

2,268 posts

40 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Quite cool for what they are but i'd never own one when the competition was the E34 M5 3.8... cloud9 (in 6 speed gearbox flavour pls)

andrew

10,312 posts

217 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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nobrakes said:
Anyone applied to see what the poa is then?!
it's on their website at £65k

Dapster

8,983 posts

205 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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What a fantastic thing. They were so well reviewed in period and I think they look amazing now. The base W124 was a great place to start - the build quality is something else, and I think they look very handsome too. My Euro millions garage would have one of these before an E34 M5 or Thema 8.32.

The convoluted production process was apparently because only after the design was frozen that Mercedes realised that the super wide front arches wouldn't fit down the W124 production line, hence the request for Porsche to build the car.

The actual production process was nuts. The initial build took place at Mercedes, the cars were then shipped to Porsche for main drivetrain components, back to Mercedes for final paint, back to Porsche for the engine installation and final assembly, then back to Mercedes for inspection, sign off and shipping.

Here is a car park full of 500Es and contemporary Porsches at Zuffenhausen.




smithyithy said:
Fabulous car. Something so right about Merc styling from this era, both exterior and interior.

What would be a price estimate for this, must be in the 40k+ band?
They so rarely come up - this one here is up for €95k - crazy green interior




https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...


Andy83n said:
The dream version is an E60 AMG but they're £200k+ for a factory version (less for one of the Japanese market conversions)
This looks to be a genuine factory build E60 up for nearly £200,000 with the super wide rear tyres on AMG monoblocs which were the only factory fit rim option on the E60 I think.

https://legendscars.pl/en/cars/mercedes-benz-e60-l...




There was one at Mercedes Benz world when I last went - was just incredible.



matlotus

125 posts

121 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Hairpin Company, wonder if Harry Metcalfe might take it out for a spin?

wpa1975

14,044 posts

139 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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So why did they change the name from 500E to E500 then, the article never said, I do like these

Hairymonster

Original Poster:

1,669 posts

130 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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wpa1975 said:
So why did they change the name from 500E to E500 then, the article never said, I do like these
I believe the whole 124 range were renamed from 200E, 280E, 320E etc. to E200, E280, E320 etc. at that time, so the E500 was included in that process.

Agent57

2,360 posts

179 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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wpa1975 said:
So why did they change the name from 500E to E500 then, the article never said, I do like these
There was a facelift. Clear front lenses and smoked rears amongst other changes.

Smint

3,047 posts

60 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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wpa1975 said:
So why did they change the name from 500E to E500 then, the article never said, I do like these
As said, all W124's changed names around '92/3, sleeker bonnet line boot shape updated, lots of engine designations changed too, 300E vanished and became the E320, 230E same became the E220, 260E replaced by E280, Diesel was still 3 litre but IIRC gained an extra 12 valves but sadly no turbo in RHD versions.

From my own ownership of 4 x W124's i believe the paint formula changed too, i think the pre facelift were more resilient to corrosion, also i don't recall pre facelift having the biodegrading engine wiring loom issues.