RE: BMW X5M (E70) | The Brave Pill
RE: BMW X5M (E70) | The Brave Pill
Saturday 25th March 2023

BMW X5M (E70) | The Brave Pill

An M version of an X car. But not that one...


We published two stories last Saturday on PH. Brave Pill ran with a Mirage replica of the Lamborghini Countach, one wearing a bold £69,995 pricetag, which received a welcome in the comments about as enthusiastic as one that would be given to an unidentified brown object floating in a swimming pool.

But that was a gentle round of applause compared to the response to our review of the new BMW XM, one which earned a critical reaction similar to that which would be given to a rapidly spreading brown slick in a swimming pool carrying a tide of rabid rats. At the time of going to pixel there are 387 comments and close to a record low PH rating of 1.4 on our online version of the Opportunity Knocks Clap-O-Meter. And while a few brave souls voiced enthusiasm for the XM’s design and mission, it would be a fair summary to say that approximately 98.5 percent of those who expressed opinions did not.

Which is why we’ve opted to start this weekend with proof that it is possible to buy an M-branded BMW SUV which hasn’t fallen through a whole forest’s worth of ugly trees. And also to save the small matter of just over £130,000 into the bargain. And while this first-generation X5M might still not be an exemplar of the qualities that made M great, it is certainly promises to be easier on both eye and wallet than the XM. It’s also faster, too – at least for any XM buyer not prepared to fork out extra for the M Driver’s Package that lifts its top speed from a lowly 125mph. Even an elderly X5M should be able to reach its 155mph limiter without struggling too hard.

To be fair, speed was something that the E70-generation X5M was never short of. The first decade of the millennium saw what history is already regarding as a morally reprehensible power race between the makers of big, expensive SUVs. The Porsche Cayenne Turbo kicked things off in 2002, when it reached a slightly shocked market with 450hp and the ability to sprint off the line faster than most genuine sports cars. An arms race quickly developed, and by 2008 rivals for this unlikely crown included the upgraded 520hp Cayenne Turbo S, the 510hp Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG – the first-gen ML55 hadn’t really been that quick – plus the 420hp Jeep Grand Cherokee and, clear winner for outright lunacy, the Audi Q7 V12 TDI which combined its peak 500hp with 738lb-ft of torque and a six-figure pricetag.

Having seen all that, somebody senior in BMW’s M Division said “halte mein Bier!”

The E70 X5M was the result, the first SUV to carry an M badge – this being the days before they were devalued by 218i styling kits and the like. The X5M and its X6M sister, both launched in 2009, were hardly traditional M cars by the standards of the age; they were first road-going M cars to feature turbocharged engines, all-wheel drive and torque converter gearboxes. The X5M’s 2,380kg weight was also some way outside the previous frame of M-reference, but a twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8 making 560hp meant there was more than enough muscle to move the mass. BMW claimed a 4.4-second 0-62mph time, but one of the U.S. magazines managed to blast it from 0-60mph in four flat and through the quarter mile in 12.2-sec, making it the quickest thing in its segment.

Critical love for the rest of it was muted, to put it mildly. M-ification had given the X5 rock hard chassis settings far removed from the compliance of the regular X5 of the period, and – when pushed – the handling balance was as front heavy as a Ferrari PCP deal. It was jagged and unpleasant when driven over on a bumpy road, with speed just making it worse. Plus sides, beyond bragging rights, were imperious high-speed cruising ability, with the continent-shrinking abilities dented only by the need to frequently stop to refill the 85-litre tank which was drained at a terrifying rate by faster progress.

While 14 years of hindsight won’t have improved the ride or thirst, our Pill now looks both svelte and dainty when compared to the XM, if maybe nothing else. It is a 2009 car that has covered 125,000 miles in the charge of just two owners. The dealer selling it promises both what appears to be a full kitchen sinking on the spec front, but also a service history including a recent £10,000 engine rebuild. Which can either be taken as welcome reassurance that such radical surgery is unlikely to fall due again soon, or alternatively a warning as to how spendy even an apparently well maintained X5M is capable of becoming.

Enzo the hamster had dug up the registration plate to summon the MOT history. This shows a predictable appetite for tyres, with multiple advisories and a couple of fails for wear. It also features that old Pill favourite “oil leak, but not excessive” back in 2018. There were no MOTs between July 2019 and March 2022, possibly while the last owner saved up for the necessary engine remedials.

For the performance the £17,985 asking price doesn’t seem outrageous given it was north of £80,000 new – especially when you consider that the X5’s V8 is actually chucking out a fair bit more power than the one in the XM that serves alongside the electric side of the powertrain. You could spend more than half of the cost of our Pill just adding 23-inch wheels, grey metallic paint, Merino leather and the M Driver’s pack to an XM.

I already know the answer, but which would you rather have?


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ducnick

Original Poster:

2,279 posts

273 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Whilst I appreciate these super SUV’s find buyers when new they must be a very tough sell at this sort of age. Almost all potential buyers in the used market would surely forego a little outright performance for a sensible running cost, comfort and something a few years newer.

Jordie Barretts sock

6,018 posts

49 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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I'd much rather, and do have a Supercharged Range Rover Sport.

This just reminds me of a 5 Series on big wheels.

But then, I never understand the BMW fandom.

Dombilano

1,456 posts

85 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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I always wonder, engine rebuild, do I trust the rebuilder. Are they a multi year trained BMW specialist with a fastidious approach to engines. Or are they the kind of guy who forgets to fit a tiny oil seal, because they were laughing so hard at a youtube video of Roy Chubby Brown.

£18k is a lot for a car with less than two Christmases of existence left

Roger Irrelevant

3,391 posts

143 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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ducnick said:
Whilst I appreciate these super SUV’s find buyers when new they must be a very tough sell at this sort of age. Almost all potential buyers in the used market would surely forego a little outright performance for a sensible running cost, comfort and something a few years newer.
I always think that people who buy this sort of thing must either really know what they're doing, and are a dab hand with the spanners/code reader such that the potential for pricey problems doesn't phase them. Or they haven't got a clue past knowing what the badge means, and are walking blindly into a world of financial pain. With this one, no matter how mighty the engine may be if the ride was anything like that of the X3M I had the 'pleasure' of being passengered in recently I'd have to pass - I would have been more comfortable dragged behind it.

helix402

7,913 posts

212 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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I reckon it’s a good buy if the engine rebuild’s a good one.

richinlondon

900 posts

152 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Funny isn’t it, these were reviled in their time for conspicuous consumption now alongside the XM they’re seen in a more sympathetic light!

cerb4.5lee

44,923 posts

210 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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I've always wanted one of these(I'm not a fan of the Silverstone colour with this one though). I absolutely loved the X5 4.8iS that I had, so naturally I always lusted after one of these as well. One of these will always be in my lottery winning garage I reckon.

Fusion777

2,630 posts

78 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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richinlondon said:
Funny isn’t it, these were reviled in their time for conspicuous consumption now alongside the XM they’re seen in a more sympathetic light!
It’s surprising how subtle it looks by today’s standards. I remember in the 2000s how much uproar there seemed to be over performance SUVs, but now, powerful, heavy vehicles barely seem to cause any controversy. They’ve been normalised and are seen as desirable more than anything.

S600BSB

8,486 posts

136 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Just get a Range Rover if you want a large SUV.

FlukePlay

1,195 posts

175 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Dombilano said:
I always wonder, engine rebuild, do I trust the rebuilder. Are they a multi year trained BMW specialist with a fastidious approach to engines. Or are they the kind of guy who forgets to fit a tiny oil seal, because they were laughing so hard at a youtube video of Roy Chubby Brown.

£18k is a lot for a car with less than two Christmases of existence left
hehe

Nice one


hairykrishna

14,527 posts

233 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Who spends 10 grand on a engine rebuild then more or less immediately sells the car for (presumably) much less than 18? That would set alarm bells ringing for me.

To me there's something a bit perverse about a SUV with a st ride. It should be the one thing they're actually good for.

PSB1967

501 posts

186 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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My disabled neighbour had one on a Mobility scheme (yes really). He had to pay the overs to make up the cost but justified it as his one pleasure. The noise when it first started will stay with me for ever. He used it to go anywhere including his daily trip to get a paper from the village shop. It averaged circa 5 mpg, but he didn't care. Epic thing that used to rattle my windows in a nice way.

wpa1975

14,755 posts

144 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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I think a Supercharged Range Rover Sport is a better car.

This worries with having spent £10k it was then put out to grass, so it suggests all is not well.

Pughmacher

441 posts

73 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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hairykrishna said:
Who spends 10 grand on a engine rebuild then more or less immediately sells the car for (presumably) much less than 18? That would set alarm bells ringing for me.

To me there's something a bit perverse about a SUV with a st ride. It should be the one thing they're actually good for.
Because without the rebuild it’s an ornament. It’s visual appeal possibly not its strongest suit. It’s a two owner car. So paid for a long time ago. As an ornament it’s worth as much as anyone will offer you. It won’t have an MOT presumably because the engine is knackered. So you scrap the car and lose all the value, or sell at huge loss for parts, or strip it yourself (owner profile doesn’t fit this). Or bite the bullet get the motor done and retrieve as much of the outlay as you can. If it were my car and it went bang I’d consider the mileage how long I’d owned it and wonder if the car owed me anything. I doubt this one did as it’s had two long term owners. So you take what you can and move on.

Deep Thought

40,169 posts

227 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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PSB1967 said:
My disabled neighbour had one on a Mobility scheme (yes really). He had to pay the overs to make up the cost but justified it as his one pleasure. The noise when it first started will stay with me for ever. He used it to go anywhere including his daily trip to get a paper from the village shop. It averaged circa 5 mpg, but he didn't care. Epic thing that used to rattle my windows in a nice way.
A guy came to buy my R32 and he had a next gen X5M, stainless steel exhausts, remapped etc. It sounded absolutely epic!

I think he was getting around 12mpg tops but he didnt seem to care. Nor did he care about its oil drinking habit. It drank a lot. Couldnt have been far away from needing an engine rebuild but again this didnt seem to fizz on him.

hairykrishna

14,527 posts

233 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Pughmacher said:
Because without the rebuild it’s an ornament. It’s visual appeal possibly not its strongest suit. It’s a two owner car. So paid for a long time ago. As an ornament it’s worth as much as anyone will offer you. It won’t have an MOT presumably because the engine is knackered. So you scrap the car and lose all the value, or sell at huge loss for parts, or strip it yourself (owner profile doesn’t fit this). Or bite the bullet get the motor done and retrieve as much of the outlay as you can. If it were my car and it went bang I’d consider the mileage how long I’d owned it and wonder if the car owed me anything. I doubt this one did as it’s had two long term owners. So you take what you can and move on.
It's easy worth a couple of grand with a blown engine. It's not going for scrap. So I suspect what you'd get back from mending it then selling is to a dealer basically the same as what you'd get from just flogging it as is.



cerb4.5lee

44,923 posts

210 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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hairykrishna said:
To me there's something a bit perverse about a SUV with a st ride. It should be the one thing they're actually good for.
I thought the ride in my X5 4.8iS with the 20" wheels and the air suspension was pretty good to be fair. However I have 22" wheels on the GLE400d with the air suspension and the 22" wheels are too big and they definitely spoil things. I'd probably go for the 20" wheels if I had my chance again, although the 20's do look lost in the arches for me though, so you can't really win.

cerb4.5lee

44,923 posts

210 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Deep Thought said:
PSB1967 said:
My disabled neighbour had one on a Mobility scheme (yes really). He had to pay the overs to make up the cost but justified it as his one pleasure. The noise when it first started will stay with me for ever. He used it to go anywhere including his daily trip to get a paper from the village shop. It averaged circa 5 mpg, but he didn't care. Epic thing that used to rattle my windows in a nice way.
A guy came to buy my R32 and he had a next gen X5M, stainless steel exhausts, remapped etc. It sounded absolutely epic!

I think he was getting around 12mpg tops but he didnt seem to care. Nor did he care about its oil drinking habit. It drank a lot. Couldnt have been far away from needing an engine rebuild but again this didnt seem to fizz on him.
I've heard a few of them booting it over the years and they do sound really good for sure. smokin

Earl of Petrol

552 posts

152 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Looks nice and un-chavved.

smilo996

3,859 posts

200 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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The start of the supersizing of BMW SUV's.
The current one is nearly 5m in length, the first version a little over 4,5m, it is both wider and higher with no more interior width and less than 1/2 a cm of interior height.
Size matters🤣