RE: Lancia Montecarlo | Spotted
RE: Lancia Montecarlo | Spotted
Wednesday 19th April 2023

Lancia Montecarlo | Spotted

The Montecarlo had an interesting and chequered history but it's a proper Italian classic...


Looking for something exciting and exotic but left cold by the ubiquity of Porsches and the price of Ferraris? Then STOP PRESS: we have something for you here. On paper, the Lancia Montecarlo has all the right credentials to sit with much loftier and more typically sought-after classics. It’s by a famous Italian car manufacturer, it was designed and built by Pininfarina, and its mid-engine layout was still something of a rarity outside the top-tier of sportscars when the original version – the Lancia Beta Montecarlo – arrived.

The Montecarlo has proper motorsport kudos as well. First as a circuit racer in the guise of the Abarth SE 030, then as the mighty Montecarlo Turbo Group 5 car, which won various titles including the 1981 World Endurance Championship. And, of course, there was the Rally version. Fair enough, the 037 was only loosely based on the road car’s mechanicals, but let’s not get bogged down in details. The steroidal 037 looked fantastic and enough like the road-going Monte for passersby to make the association. 

In its famous Martini colours, the 037 is still one of the best-looking rally cars ever. It ran in the infamous Group B and, in 1983, handed Lancia the manufacturer’s World Rally Championship title thanks to the efforts of Markku Alén, Attilio Bettega, and Walter Röhrl. That was despite facing the ever-increasing challenge of those four-wheel-drive Audis that would dominate the following year. The 037 stands as the last rear-wheel-drive car to take the title.

The Monte was originally designed to replace the ageing but oh-so-pretty Fiat 124 Coupé. Fiat charged Pininfarina with designing its new sportscar, codenamed X1/8, but Bertone proposed a less costly alternative. What to do, then? Well, Fiat decided to put both mid-engined concepts into production. The Fiat X1/9, which retained its codename for the production model, was the cheaper version. Lancia, meanwhile, intended its car to be a more premium alternative, using a racier 3.0 V6 instead of the X1/9’s small-capacity four pot – but then the fuel crisis hit.

That dictated a more frugal option, so Lancia downgraded the engine to an inline four (at which point the codename changed to X1/20) although this was still a more enticing prospect than the Fiat’s 1.3-litre single-cam motor. Lancia opted for a 120hp 2.0-litre twin cam, designed by ex-Ferrari engineer Aurelio Lampredi. The Monetcarlo was also the first time Pininfarina had designed a car from the ground up, instead of using an existing platform, and built it at its base in Turin.

The series one Montecarlo was released in 1975 and, to my eyes, it’s a much, much prettier car than the X1/9. The problem was on the engineering side. It’s a Lancia, so it didn't simply rust, it dissolved in water. One of the most susceptible areas to disintegrate was the poorly designed rear cross member with its too-thin steel. There were also handling issues with the cars destined for the American market, but the real biggie was the brakes. Reports of dangerous lock-ups began to surface, and this became so serious that the Beta Montecarlo was pulled from sale in 1978. It was gone for two years, returning in 1980 and renamed as the Montecarlo, minus the Beta bit, and minus its brake servo, too. That was one of the solutions to reduce the over boosted brakes.

Because rust remained such an issue, these are now rare cars. This advert claims there are just 69 examples left taxed in the UK. This later series two Montecarlo has had three owners in total and covered a modest 61,000 miles, and the last owner spent a reported £10,000 with Bell Sport & Classic (a dealer we know to produce fine work). Still, there’s work left to do, with the refreshingly honest advert pointing out the rust bubbling through on the rear wheel arches and the bottom of the doors. Otherwise, it’s a very tidy-looking example with smart cream leather and even air-conditioning – a rarity in a car of this type and year.

Looking at what’s out there now, you’ll pay up to £30,000 for a mint car, so at £17,950 the price of this one seems fair. That’s a good £7,000 more than a tidy X1/9 will cost you, but the Montecarlo’s wow factor is arguably worth way more than that.


SPECIFICATION | Lancia Montecarlo

Engine: 1,995cc, four cylinder, naturally aspirated
Transmission: five-speed manual, rear-wheel drive 
Power (hp): 120 @ 6.000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 126 @ 3,400rpm
CO2: N/A
MPG: N/A
Recorded mileage: 61,000
Year registered: 1982 
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £17,950

See the original advert here

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Pereldh

Original Poster:

816 posts

141 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Ah yes, the Fiat X1/20.
However you fail to inform the Lampredi Twincam was also a Fiat-engine, in fact the same as all the other Fiat twincam 8-valves in all the other models.
Premiered 1966, and by 1975 already used in 124 Sport, Special T, 125 and 132.
The 1995cc capacity first showed up in the Beta's tho.


Edited by Pereldh on Wednesday 19th April 16:08

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,728 posts

127 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Nice but can't feeling this is one for the seriously committed. Can you get spares these days ?

wpa1975

14,614 posts

143 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Cool car but seems expensive @ £18k with rust issues

Darnoc95

516 posts

59 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Didnt Herbie fall in love with one of these!love

Hairymonster

1,674 posts

134 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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When I first saw the photo for this article, I immediately thought this was one of the old Maserati Biturbos of the 80's - possibly one of the most unreliable cars ever released to an unexpecting public.

bennytheball

253 posts

56 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Just lovely cloud9

el romeral

2,117 posts

166 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Very cute and pert little car and so rare too. The dash looks worse than I remember them from cars of this era though. Shame the 3 liter never made it, but then again, it would likely be even more to go wrong.

Lotobear

9,034 posts

157 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Always admired these but, Christ, you would have to be very brave to take one on.

Lotusgone

1,649 posts

156 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Always liked these. I might have bought the one I went to test drive, if it had started.


jeremyc

28,029 posts

313 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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I love the fact that the Italian electrics enable it to be doing 10mph whilst parked up idling, with the handbrake on. biggrin

Edited to add: with zero oil pressure. yikes


CRA1G

7,239 posts

224 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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I have mentioned on here before i have found memories of my Red Monte Carlo that I had in my late teens when I was dating my now wife of 42 years....yikes

JuiceTerry

145 posts

121 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Really like the look of these ( by far the least flattering view is the side on profile) and late last year, had a tab open for about a month on one for sale by a trader in Holland, I never seriously thought about buying it, but certainly one I would have in my fantasy garage.

SturdyHSV

10,443 posts

196 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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jeremyc said:
I love the fact that the Italian electricscharacter enable it to be doing 10mph whilst parked up idling, with the handbrake on. biggrin

Edited to add: with zero oil pressure. yikes

Character. It's definitely called character hehe It also doesn't need oil pressure, because of all the passion. It has oil passion.

Article specs say front wheel drive... It's not mid engine front wheel drive, Shirley?

generationx

9,094 posts

134 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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SturdyHSV said:
Character. It's definitely called character hehe It also doesn't need oil pressure, because of all the passion. It has oil passion.

Article specs say front wheel drive... It's not mid engine front wheel drive, Shirley?
It’s rear wheel drive. And lovely.

Charlie_1

1,067 posts

121 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Many years ago a chap across the road from where I was then living owned a red one of these about 3 years old as I recall (the car not him) seem to remember it usually took around 3 attempts to start but guess he forgave it because of the looks

bilo999

151 posts

128 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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I need to buy a car storage facility ..... first the Alfa 75 a few days ago and now this

Tin Hat

1,425 posts

238 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Lovely, lovely, lovely

Sadly, rust, rust, rust

Sion111R

420 posts

121 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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bilo999 said:
I need to buy a car storage facility ..... first the Alfa 75 a few days ago and now this
Exactly this.

Bobley

730 posts

178 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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How many of these are left? I bet Kimera will have their eyes on it for another 037 re-creation

ChevronB19

8,950 posts

192 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Tin Hat said:
Lovely, lovely, lovely

Sadly, rust, rust, rust
Equally, love love love.

On the rust front, my uncle had one as his daily (his weekend car was a Dino 246, which drew a few looks in rural Cumbria).

He pulled up in his 2 year old beta, got out, shut the door and the headlamp fell out due to rust at the front.