RE: Ford F-150 Lightning confirmed for Europe
RE: Ford F-150 Lightning confirmed for Europe
Thursday 20th April 2023

Ford F-150 Lightning confirmed for Europe

Well, Norway for now, but that's a lot closer to home than North America...


Even those that aren’t too bothered about American cars, EVs or pickups will know all about the Ford F-150 Lightning. America’s best-selling truck was revealed in electric format to the world in 2021, and 200,000 reservations were taken before 2022 was in. By all accounts the reality matched that initial excitement, too, reviews in the Lightning’s home market praising its value for money, performance, and novel features. Didn’t hurt that the Lightning was a great-looking truck, either.

Unsurprisingly, then, demand for the battery-powered (98 or 131kWh) F-150 has reached way beyond the United States. Markets as far afield as Australia are desperate for the Lightning, and Ford has now caved into European pressure. Well, a little - the F-150 will be offered in Norway from early 2024.

Which might seem a bit strange, but don’t forget what a huge market Norway is for electric vehicles. Last year, almost 80 per cent of new cars sold there were electric vehicles; in the UK the figure is more like 16 per cent. And apparently the Norwegians have been chomping at the bit - or whatever their equivalent is - for Ford’s award-winning truck.

“In my 25 years at Ford, I’ve never seen anything like the passion and demand I’m seeing from drivers right now to get behind the wheel of our F-150 Lightning” said Per Gunnar Berg, Ford Norway MD. “F-150 Lightning is the perfect match for many customers in Norway – uniquely capable of quenching our thirst for adventure while embracing our passion for protecting the environment.” Don’t forget the ‘friluftsliv’, the Norwegian culture of unwinding in the wilderness. A big electric truck that can tow almost 3.5 tonnes is just the right fit.

Norwegian customers will be offered the F-150 as a Lariat Launch Edition, all offered with the Super Crew Cab body and Antimatter Blue paint. For the moment, the trucks for Norway will have the smaller, 98kWh battery, with 458hp and 774lb ft to wallop it to 62mph in less than five seconds. The Lightning can accept 150kW of charge, which all being well - and it feels like that happens more often in Norway than here - means 15 per cent to 80 per cent of charge can take less than 40 minutes. The smaller battery means a targeted range of around 240 miles.

This all works quite nicely for Ford’s EV ambitions, too, with billions being invested in creating an electric-only lineup from 2030 and global carbon neutrality later than 2050. You wouldn’t bet against however many Lightnings allocated finding homes in Norway. Then it’ll be onto the next European market desperate for it…


 

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mrclav

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1,645 posts

253 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Makes sense if the take-up is so high in Norway.

From what I've seen this pickup is actually very well designed too, lots of little things that clearly are well thought out like the shifter that can lie flat with the arm-rest that folds out as a mini-shelf to rest a laptop on. Great stuff!

Edited by mrclav on Thursday 20th April 11:24

TikTak

3,124 posts

49 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Had a hoot driving a V8 one in US a couple years back.

That said, I can't wait to get stuck behind one of these trying to go through a 6'6'' width restriction over here. headache

sidesauce

2,967 posts

248 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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TikTak said:
Had a hoot driving a V8 one in US a couple years back.

That said, I can't wait to get stuck behind one of these trying to go through a 6'6'' width restriction over here. headache
Huh? I thought the article said they're only coming to Norway right now?

Also, Ford officially sells the Ranger (a smaller pickup) in the UK so don't worry, you'll not be getting stuck behind an F150 of any kind anytime soon!

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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He’s tall. Must be quite roomy inside.


David87

7,032 posts

242 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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I'm sure these are decent, but when I was in California last week and seeing them out on the road, they just look a bit old-fashioned compared to the Rivian truck. Great to be able to get a proper full-size truck in Europe though - hopefully others will follow!

ZiggyNiva

1,215 posts

216 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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I'd love a 3 + 3 F150. It would tick pretty much every box for my requirements. Fingers crossed we get one in the UK

ChrisCh86

1,132 posts

74 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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David87 said:
I'm sure these are decent, but when I was in California last week and seeing them out on the road, they just look a bit old-fashioned compared to the Rivian truck. Great to be able to get a proper full-size truck in Europe though - hopefully others will follow!
You can already get full-sized US trucks in Europe. When I was in Belgium back in February there were loads of Dodge RAMs around - I think they're officially imported. Obviously those weren't electric.

https://www.ram.com/be/

There's a reasonable market for such trucks in Europe, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was soon sold in other European countries - but only if Ford can keep up with demand at the factory.

Edited by ChrisCh86 on Thursday 20th April 12:55

Galsia

2,266 posts

220 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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A saw a video on Hoovies Garage where he was towing a car and the range dropped to something silly like 80 miles. Sounds pretty useless.

unsprung

6,055 posts

154 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Norway has the transportation policy and, crucially, the household income for this vehicle. Other countries are sorting the former, but they won't necessarily have the latter.


hu8742

369 posts

155 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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"reviews in the Lightning’s home market praising its value for money, performance, and novel features" ...

Not sure what reviews you've read. Whilst there is decent demand for this, good luck getting hold of one in the next 6-12m depending on your spec, big price hikes recently means the Lariat starts at about $75k (before tax) and then you have massive dealer mark ups (that's a US thing). On top of this, range gets hammered when you try to tow anything.

Laudable effort from Ford, but if you're really a "works guy" or ranch owner hauling cattle, you'll be sticking with the much cheaper ICE version or any of the other main pick-ups on offer.

P.S. comparing it to a Rivian really is apples vs oranges.

Rich Boy Spanner

1,891 posts

160 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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A bit further afield than Norway, but Iceland is full of US pickups and Jeeps.

pquinn

7,167 posts

76 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Saw a thing yesterday from the US that after the price went up significantly and a lot of trims don't qualify for the current rebate scheme (making it even more expensive) that sales dropped right off and reservations aren't being converted to sales.

And as mentioned above the range can get to be a bit shocking if it's cold or you're using it for such un-F150-like jobs as towing.

It's an interesting bit of kit with good features but right now is expensive and flawed.


BikeSausage

743 posts

98 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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OK, so an EV pickup sounds like a good idea.

But this one? It can weigh up to 3,122 kg unladen so not much room for people and stuff for relative (to me) youngsters who don’t have a 7.5t licence?

And the size, in this country? Barking mad.

B235r

408 posts

79 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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No V8 not interested

ducnick

2,277 posts

273 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Last time I checked, Norway could get pretty chilly. Not sure I would want to try towing with this in the arctic circle unless you had aspirations to turn round at the end of your drive way and come home.

blank

3,765 posts

218 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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BikeSausage said:
OK, so an EV pickup sounds like a good idea.

But this one? It can weigh up to 3,122 kg unladen so not much room for people and stuff for relative (to me) youngsters who don’t have a 7.5t licence?

And the size, in this country? Barking mad.
Weight is a big issue for these US Rivians, F150s etc.

If they come to Europe with a GVW of 3,500kg then they'll have virtually no payload (e.g. you probably couldn't put a family in a Rivian R1S).

If the max weight is over that then you get all sorts of issues with driving licences, speed limiters etc.

Neill-l9qpf

72 posts

108 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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There's a certain irony to Norway being hailed for it's EV uptake rates through generous incentives and punitive taxes on ICE cars


when it earns over $150billion each year selling oil and natural gas to the rest of Europe?

BikeSausage

743 posts

98 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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blank said:
BikeSausage said:
OK, so an EV pickup sounds like a good idea.

But this one? It can weigh up to 3,122 kg unladen so not much room for people and stuff for relative (to me) youngsters who don’t have a 7.5t licence?

And the size, in this country? Barking mad.
Weight is a big issue for these US Rivians, F150s etc.

If they come to Europe with a GVW of 3,500kg then they'll have virtually no payload (e.g. you probably couldn't put a family in a Rivian R1S).

If the max weight is over that then you get all sorts of issues with driving licences, speed limiters etc.
I wondered if I was correct or not on this point. But then, the 3.5t limit was presumably set in an era before all of the various safety and anti-crash aids that most cars have now. Could we see it being raised? I hope not as it would encourage cars to get even heavier than now.

MatteAva

106 posts

106 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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BikeSausage said:
I wondered if I was correct or not on this point. But then, the 3.5t limit was presumably set in an era before all of the various safety and anti-crash aids that most cars have now. Could we see it being raised? I hope not as it would encourage cars to get even heavier than now.
I am not sure if this will be classified as a van but recently the DfT has raised the weight limit to 4.25t for EV commercial vehicles so you should still be able to drive it ona standard licence and have some payload left.

blank

3,765 posts

218 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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MatteAva said:
BikeSausage said:
I wondered if I was correct or not on this point. But then, the 3.5t limit was presumably set in an era before all of the various safety and anti-crash aids that most cars have now. Could we see it being raised? I hope not as it would encourage cars to get even heavier than now.
I am not sure if this will be classified as a van but recently the DfT has raised the weight limit to 4.25t for EV commercial vehicles so you should still be able to drive it ona standard licence and have some payload left.
This is only for driving licences, and you still need speed limiter and tacho/o licence (if commercial use). It's basically not worth the hassle.