RE: Porsche 356C | Spotted
RE: Porsche 356C | Spotted
Monday 24th April 2023

Porsche 356C | Spotted

This ex-Californian 356 has been resorted beautifully and modified sympathetically for your pleasure


The sniping about 911s being nothing but a Volkswagen Beetle is mostly made tongue in cheek, but the 356 is a little harder to separate from its ubiquitous and humdrum cousin. Let’s look at the facts: the 356's original flat-four was lifted straight from the Beetle, and it had the same all-independent torsion-bar suspension and plenty of other carryovers, including the headlights. Oh, and it was, of course, designed by the same man who was behind the Beetle, one Ferdinand Porsche. And yet…

This was plainly a very different era. Post-war Europe was on its knees, so for most people, the idea of owning any car was a long way off reality, and an exotic, fully bespoke sports car was for a select few only. This was a time, remember, that spawned the Citroen 2CV. Most of rural France was back to using the horse and cart at this point, and Pierre Boulanger’s brief to create a car to mobilise the French peasants was considered a necessity. It was about as glamorous as the tray of eggs it could transport unbroken across a roughly ploughed field. Don’t forget that the 2CV was launched with a 375cc, 12hp air-cooled twin, which starts to make the Porsche’s 1,131cc motor - with twice as many cylinders and a heady 40hp - look somewhat extravagant.

Like the 2CV, the 356 arrived in 1948. And yes, its engine was fundamentally a VW unit, but Porsche had not left it stock. He added twin Solex carbs and made many modifications to help boost performance, including using his own exhaust system. All that may have released just 10hp, but the percentage gain was substantial. It also changed the character of the flat-four considerably. It was much revvier thanks to the increased fuelling and breathing, and that made the 356 more exciting to drive than the numbers suggested. The seamless body was also stiff. The only panel gaps you’ll find on a 356 are around its two doors, front boot lid and rear engine cover. That was a solid base for its stiffly sprung suspension to operate successfully from, and the 356 was generally a well-balanced car. Having less mass hanging behind its rear axle meant it didn’t suffer from the oversteer issues that the six-cylinder 911 carried on battling so famously throughout much of its life.

The 356’s development was rapid, too. First, a 1,290cc engine was offered in 1951, and the following year it had grown to 1,498cc with an all-synchromesh gearbox (for the forward gears) added the same year – that was a first for a series production car. By 1955 the sum total of the changes was deemed so substantial that the little Porsche became known as the 356A, now sporting 1,582cc engine. At around this time the four-cam Carrera was produced, with a dry sump, hemispherical combustion chambers, twin ignition coils and four camshafts. That delivered 100hp at 6,200rpm.

This car is a 356C, which was the final iteration before the model gave way to the 911 after 17 years in production. It was delivered originally to the States in 1964, where the vendor says it lived a large part of its life in the perfect climate of California. It’s since come to the UK and been restored, and judging by the pictures, it’s been carried out to a very high standard indeed. It’s been modified to give it the style ‘of the desirable and considerably more expensive 356 GT,’ and the classic silver with the part-black trim of the Speedster buckets is a fine combination in my book. It has plenty of period details, including the elegant steel wheels, a pair of gorgeous stainless pipes jutting out beyond the rear bumper, and the attractive green-on-black dials synonymous with early Porches. It should go pretty well, too, thanks to a 356 Enterprises 1,720cc conversion, fuelled by twin-choke Webers on each bank.

So there you go. Yes, the 356 begin life as a low-budget sports car that owed much to the Kraft-durch-Freude-Wagen, but it was developed way beyond that. It was also the car that made Porsche a recognisable global brand with a reputation for producing well-engineered road and racing cars. It's way more than a Beetle in drag, that's for sure. 


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SloCoach

Original Poster:

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98 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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Nice to see it has got 12Volt disc brakes

Water Fairy

6,626 posts

185 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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That is a very lovely looking thing

Clean, simple uninterrupted lines

Bet it's a giggle

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,765 posts

128 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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Nice but you wonder if the appeal of cars like this is going to be come more and more limited.

Unless you grew up around then dreaming about owning one, would you really want one now, at that price, ahead of lots of other metal ?

And that group of people is an ever shrinking pool.

Exotic and flamboyant Italian stuff will always find buyers, but this is a bit mundane in comparison and too specialist....

AmyRichardson

1,990 posts

72 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Nice but you wonder if the appeal of cars like this is going to be come more and more limited.

Unless you grew up around then dreaming about owning one, would you really want one now, at that price, ahead of lots of other metal ?

And that group of people is an ever shrinking pool.

Exotic and flamboyant Italian stuff will always find buyers, but this is a bit mundane in comparison and too specialist....
I'm doubtful. 356s effectively are (already) exotic and rare. £100+k for the nothing-special example here, multiples of that for anything racy.

There's still money coming into the pre-war stuff and that was my grandfather's generation - all but a few of whom are gone.

Turbobanana

8,480 posts

231 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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Hell yes, take my money*




*take my money assuming you're prepared to take a small percentage of the asking price for it, 'cos I'm poor

Leins

10,477 posts

178 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Nice but you wonder if the appeal of cars like this is going to be come more and more limited.

Unless you grew up around then dreaming about owning one, would you really want one now, at that price, ahead of lots of other metal ?

And that group of people is an ever shrinking pool.

Exotic and flamboyant Italian stuff will always find buyers, but this is a bit mundane in comparison and too specialist....
I generally don’t have much interest in many pre-1980s cars, as it was in the 80s when I got into cars myself. However, the one thing about the 356 is you can see the lineage to the current 911 through the design, and I think that’s where the appeal is

Would I want one over say a 911 3.2 ClubSport or a 964 Turbo, well no. However, if I had a barn full of 911s already then yes, I probably would quite fancy one

wpa1975

14,750 posts

144 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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Seems a lot of money for something that has been modified.

bumskins

2,268 posts

45 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Nice but you wonder if the appeal of cars like this is going to be come more and more limited.

Unless you grew up around then dreaming about owning one, would you really want one now, at that price, ahead of lots of other metal ?

And that group of people is an ever shrinking pool.

Exotic and flamboyant Italian stuff will always find buyers, but this is a bit mundane in comparison and too specialist....
True, but you always have the VW Beetle for those on a budget. Same god-awful noise, same lethargic performance, must admit surprised even the Porsche-fanboys pay premiums for the pre-911 stuff, but it's the crazy world we live in.

skidskid

329 posts

171 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Nice but you wonder if the appeal of cars like this is going to be come more and more limited.

Unless you grew up around then dreaming about owning one, would you really want one now, at that price, ahead of lots of other metal ?

And that group of people is an ever shrinking pool.
I think the want is still there. I'm new to fairly new Porsche, I wasnt a fan until the last few years but recently motorsport and shows like luftgekühlt have drawn me in. I've since bought my first new Porsche and the history of the brand is a really important part of the appeal. Knowing the heritage and history is really enjoyable. Reading about the racing of 356's and adventures people like Dennis Jenkinson had in them really makes me want one. The social side of Porsche adds even more want, seeing these and 550 spyders at local events like GP icerace and mountain pass opening events is amazing. They arent museum pieces and can be actually used.

Same I cant afford one.




Edited by skidskid on Monday 24th April 13:14

Jarama79

125 posts

230 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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Resorted beautifully?

anonymous-user

84 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Nice but you wonder if the appeal of cars like this is going to be come more and more limited.

Unless you grew up around then dreaming about owning one, would you really want one now, at that price, ahead of lots of other metal ?

And that group of people is an ever shrinking pool.

Exotic and flamboyant Italian stuff will always find buyers, but this is a bit mundane in comparison and too specialist....
I'd have that over more obviously exotic stuff every day of the week. Sublime...but, in answer to, or observation of at least, your question...can't the same thing be levelled at all classic cars?

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 24th April 13:33

Robertb

3,884 posts

268 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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biggbn said:
BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Nice but you wonder if the appeal of cars like this is going to be come more and more limited.

Unless you grew up around then dreaming about owning one, would you really want one now, at that price, ahead of lots of other metal ?

And that group of people is an ever shrinking pool.

Exotic and flamboyant Italian stuff will always find buyers, but this is a bit mundane in comparison and too specialist....
I'd have that over more obviously exotic stuff every day of the week. Sublime...but, in answer to, or observation of at least, your question...can't the same thing be levelled at all classic cars?

Edited by biggbn on Monday 24th April 13:33
I had a trip to the pub with a friend in his pre-war Bentley recently... the beauty of a 'classic' is that, at a time when its harder and harder to use the performance of sports and supercars, it's a genuine pleasure to simply be in it. The driving looks challenging at any speed and it must be so involving and fun. The reaction from people both young and old is overwhelmingly positive too, in a way I've not seen with a supercar of comparable value.

Earl of Petrol

552 posts

152 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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Not for me.
I keep seeing a Beetle…
Probably in a minority.

dinkel

27,819 posts

288 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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They are amazing to drive.

Compared to period UK sports cars a 356 is so agile and light on its feet.

You need to upgrade the brakes to feel safe though...

And yes: a 356 is a zillion miles away from a VW Beetle...



Edited by dinkel on Monday 24th April 14:06

Sulaco

20 posts

56 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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Jarama79 said:
Resorted beautifully?
Well, yeah. It was sorted before. Now it’s been resorted.


Filibuster

3,405 posts

245 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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SloCoach said:
Nice to see it has got 12Volt disc brakes

mrclav

1,645 posts

253 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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Earl of Petrol said:
Not for me.
I keep seeing a Beetle…
Probably in a minority.
I too literally see a squashed Beetle when I see these.

Turbobanana

8,480 posts

231 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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bumskins said:
...must admit surprised even the Porsche-fanboys pay premiums for the pre-911 stuff, but it's the crazy world we live in...
Some other comparisons:

Morris Minor vs Mini
BMW '02 vs E21 / E30
VW Golf GTI Mk 1 vs Mk 1 / Mk 3

Conclusion? When considering the values, desirability and merits of older cars, newer might be better but not necessarily better. If you see what I mean. Not everyone wants the most dynamically adept car possible - some just want what they want.

Thefastestindian

42 posts

59 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Nice but you wonder if the appeal of cars like this is going to be come more and more limited.

Unless you grew up around then dreaming about owning one, would you really want one now, at that price, ahead of lots of other metal ?

And that group of people is an ever shrinking pool.

Exotic and flamboyant Italian stuff will always find buyers, but this is a bit mundane in comparison and too specialist....
Not everyone has the same style and taste though, so this will always appeal to someone, but do agree that the number of people interested will get smaller as time goes on. It is a pretty iconic shape though in the motoring world, even if non car people with money might have no idea what it is.

There's no cut-off after which historic items stop being interesting or important, or we'd have stopped learning about the ancient Greeks, Egyptians and Romans a long time ago biggrin

MotorSpeak

142 posts

63 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Nice but you wonder if the appeal of cars like this is going to be come more and more limited.

Unless you grew up around then dreaming about owning one, would you really want one now, at that price, ahead of lots of other metal ?

And that group of people is an ever shrinking pool.

Exotic and flamboyant Italian stuff will always find buyers, but this is a bit mundane in comparison and too specialist....
Agree; in a similar vein (hear me out) Elvis memorabilia is decreasing in value but time simply because that generation has ‘moved on’. At some point all cars will become artefacts rather than something truly cherished.