RE: Subaru Legacy 3.0 R Spec B | PH Private Area
RE: Subaru Legacy 3.0 R Spec B | PH Private Area
Tuesday 9th May 2023

Subaru Legacy 3.0 R Spec B | PH Private Area

3.0-litres of flat-six, four driven wheels, five seats and six manual gears - the perfect PH family car


Those in the market right now for something even vaguely fast and interesting for £5k have every right to be a little despondent. What was recently a safe price point for a glut of PH-worthy buys can now feel like the bottom of the barrel. Hopefully, things won't remain this way forever, because it’s making car shopping on a budget a lot less enjoyable than it used to be...

Until then, there are still some smart buys out there - this Subaru Legacy 3.0 R Spec B looks like one of them. To the layman, of course, it’ll make no sense, because it’s an old and not especially distinctive Japanese wagon. Even to those that know something of the brand, the absence of a turbocharger in the Legacy might seem disappointing, because Subarus ought to have big spoilers, big boost and gold wheels. Instead, this is a Q-car in the best tradition; nobody, really, will have any clue at all. Those that do know (and it’s probably only the exhausts that give the game away) will likely just be pleased they’ve seen an actual Spec B. Especially a manual one, believed to be one of less than 100.

The Spec B wasn’t just a big-engined flagship for the Legacy saloon and estate range, but we'd be remiss not to mention what’s under the bonnet. Because in a display of incredible commitment to the cause, the firm decided its flat-four tradition should also extend to a six-cylinder flagship. And so the 3.0 R got itself half a dozen horizontally opposed cylinders, for 245hp, 219lb ft, and a soundtrack far more like a Porsche 911 than would have even been expected from a four-door saloon. It was decently brisk, too, at least with the manual, hitting 60mph in less than seven seconds and hitting 150mph on a good day. It’d hit 25mpg on a good day as well, but let’s deal with the positive bits first…

As well as a memorable engine, the ‘B’ in Spec B meant there were Bilstein bits, which was a worthwhile (if unexpected) upgrade for Subaru’s bigger saloon. It didn’t make the 3.0 R into a grown-up Impreza, even with a rear limited-slip diff for the four-wheel drive, but it was surely better for the Bilsteins. This example in fact benefits from fairly fresh springs and B6s, so the handling ought to be decent for a 2005 Legacy with a six-figure milage; it’s also got a full stainless steel exhaust to make the most of that unique soundtrack, plus some EBC pads to slow it down better. The standard car’s less-than-stellar braking was experience gleaned from the seller’s first Spec B. Must be good if they’ve bought another.

Indeed, there’s plenty to be encouraged by here: the ad is honest and full of detail, the pictures are nice, the spec is good - including a double sunroof, Bluetooth, and climate control - and the Legacy’s condition must be above average. We’ve definitely all seen Subarus with many fewer miles than this that aren’t turned out this well. There are niggles to fix, yes, but nothing critical. And better to go into ownership knowing them than discovering them in a couple of months.

A 3.0 R has never been cheap to run - an official average of 23.7mpg wasn’t great even in the mid-2000s - though this 55-plated car will at least benefit from the more affordable tax bracket. Then all you’ll need is one more person who has any idea what a Spec B is when the time comes, and it’ll be no bother to sell again, either.


SPECIFICATION | SUBARU LEGACY 3.0R SPEC B

Engine: 3,000cc boxer six
Transmission: 6-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 245@6,600rpm
Torque (lb ft): 219@4,200rpm
MPG: 23.7 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 285g/km
First registered: 2005
Recorded mileage: 111,000
Price new: £26,500 (saloon)
Yours for: £5,500

 See the originally advert here

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Robigus

Original Poster:

114 posts

262 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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Mine’s an auto, but a spirited jaunt in North Wales over the weekend returned 31 mpg.

It never put a wheel wrong and sounds very agreeable when stirred.

Underrated.

Jon_S_Rally

4,469 posts

118 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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I always liked this generation of Legacy. Seemed a good all-rounder, and the interior was better than expected when I tried one. The problem was always finding a good one. They were getting on a bit when I started looking, and most were pretty ropey. I did find a manual 3.0-litre, but the guy didn't answer the phone and, by the time he called me back, I'd bought something else.

mcpoot

1,639 posts

137 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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I previously owned a 55 plate identical to the one in the article and it is definitely one of the favourite cars that I've owned. Not the fastest in a straight line as it isn't the torquiest of engines and I distinctly remember the frustration of struggling to hang on to 3.0 Audi diesels. Rural roads were more it's domain, The Bilstein suspension meant it handled like a big Impreza and the STI derived gearbox was a joy to use.
Only issues I had with mine were front discs, rear wheel bearings and a rusty exhaust at the Y-piece. Parts weren't too costly apart from the exhaust, Subaru quoted over £1000 for that Y-section of pipe (no boxes just pipe) when I could get a full cat-back stainless system for £600ish. In the end I had it welded up for £20 and had no further bother with it.
Only issues apart from fuel economy that is. It was months into ownership and took consciously driving as carefully as possible to actually get to see a fuel consumption figure starting with a 3. That may have been because it was too much fun wringing the neck of that glorious sounding flat-6 and driving like a loon in the back roads of South Wales.
A practical, reliable family wagon during the week and a real fun car for a weekend blast.

Cambs_Stuart

3,536 posts

114 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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I've got one of the other 100 manual 3.0 spec B estates. It's a great car in most respects, the main downsides being fuel and VED.

Gad-Westy

16,612 posts

243 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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Jon_S_Rally said:
I always liked this generation of Legacy. Seemed a good all-rounder, and the interior was better than expected when I tried one. The problem was always finding a good one. They were getting on a bit when I started looking, and most were pretty ropey. I did find a manual 3.0-litre, but the guy didn't answer the phone and, by the time he called me back, I'd bought something else.
I've looked at these a couple of times now too. A great all rounder, pretty comfortable, quick enough, engaging engine, good 4wd system and plenty of space.... but I gave up in the end as each one I've viewed has been catastrophically rusty underneath. Generally look okay from the outside but as soon as I started poking around, things got pretty ugly. That's not to say there aren't good ones out there and maybe this one is one of those but I think you probably have to tread very carefully now the cars are this age. Wish I'd bought one 10 years ago.

Slowboathome

4,461 posts

74 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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Gad-Westy said:
I've looked at these a couple of times now too. A great all rounder, pretty comfortable, quick enough, engaging engine, good 4wd system and plenty of space.... but I gave up in the end as each one I've viewed has been catastrophically rusty underneath. Generally look okay from the outside but as soon as I started poking around, things got pretty ugly. That's not to say there aren't good ones out there and maybe this one is one of those but I think you probably have to tread very carefully now the cars are this age. Wish I'd bought one 10 years ago.
I love these but yes the chances of finding one without significant rust must be slim.

This one is getting warnings at MOT time. Not surprisingly given its age.

Trebor1970

224 posts

50 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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Nice looking car.
Dirty footwell. Needs a hoover

david.h

446 posts

278 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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Back in the day.....when someone else paid for most of the fuel☺ I had a 3.0 RN then a 3.0 spec B, both auto estates. The RN was noticeably more comfortable on long European slogs, in particular the RN seats I found much better than the spec B. TBH the performance was not that much noticeably better.although the B cornering was sharper. It eas always a bit of a triumph to see consumption beginning with a 3, normally around 26 to 28, but on an autobahn (where appropriate ☺☺) you could almost see the gauge going down!
I had a 2008 2.0 poverty spec auto estate recently for a couple of years and it was great, no ball of fire, but so effective. I have now one of the last of the previous generation auto 2.5 estate's which is completely different to drive...4 speed slush box, needs lots of beans to get cracking , but very much a Subaru! Very sure footed (so far) Just keep the tinworms at bay and change the oils and belts when told to by the book!

keepherlitbai

24 posts

71 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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The Face lift version was supposed to be a brilliant car with the SI drive and Bilsteins.

86wasagoodyear

994 posts

126 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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These Mk 4 Legacies are great, I've had 2. The 1st was an early diesel from new, a company car so it was gone before any of the well known possible issues arose ; the 2nd was a 3.0 RN auto. That was fabulous except for the VED and fuel costs, and possibly being a bit too nose-heavy. So secure in all conditions, magic carpet ride even on bumpy B-roads, lovely wafty engine. One of our best family cars.

PomBstard

7,887 posts

272 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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Excellent stuff - so underrated these cars. I went looking for a 3.0 Spec B wagon a few years ago and bought an 05 GT (2.0T 240bhp) wagon instead - just what was around at the time. A friend had an 06 3.0 at the time and there was little to choose between the two on the road.

I had a Gen 3 wagon (2.5RX) before it and a Gen 5 GT wagon after it - same deal, reliable and understated fun.

Fuel consumption is crap on all of them but usually made up by just not needing much done.

The main thing to bear in mind, though, is that these aren’t cars for people that care about the numbers - they are so much more than the output/performance numbers might say, and great cars to actually own.

Roger Irrelevant

3,391 posts

143 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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Gad-Westy said:
I've looked at these a couple of times now too. A great all rounder, pretty comfortable, quick enough, engaging engine, good 4wd system and plenty of space.... but I gave up in the end as each one I've viewed has been catastrophically rusty underneath. Generally look okay from the outside but as soon as I started poking around, things got pretty ugly. That's not to say there aren't good ones out there and maybe this one is one of those but I think you probably have to tread very carefully now the cars are this age. Wish I'd bought one 10 years ago.
Yep, I had a 2005 Outback that was pretty grotty underneath when I bought it 7 years ago and was really grotty when I palmed it off to a family member 3.5 years ago. God knows what state it would have been in by now - I had to do a few pricey rot-related fixes in my ownership so I would have thought that anybody buying one of these thinking 'the mpg may not be great but it won't need fixing much' should have a good poke about underneath first.

RB Will

10,873 posts

270 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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Great things these. Had one about 10 years ago and the BIL has one now that he loves.
The 6 speed and suspension,on the surface, are such little changes over the 3.0RN but add up to a whole lot. My dad had a 3.0RN for a few years from new and in comparison to that the Spec B was like a different car. The flexibility the gearbox gave you made the car feel half a ton lighter and you were never stuck in a dead zone between ratios.
Never had a problem with the brakes, even when towing or belting round the Nurburgring.
Real world fuel economy was better than the official stats, typically 26-28mpg, an 80mph cruise on the motorway or more casual cross country trip would see 31-33mpg which was comparable to similarly engined German stuff of the time.
Original parts like the Bilsteins or exhaust were a fortune to replace and likely unobtainable new now.
For a Subaru the interior was quite a lovely place. If you must have an auto then take the hit on the higher VED and get a facelift as the later gearbox was way better.

Lastly just beware when buying one, surprising number of people think that any 3.0 legacy is the Spec B and will advertise as such. So check the details, like the wheels, suspension, interior (black upholstery in the Spec B, cream in the 3.0R/RN) etc

Water Fairy

6,626 posts

185 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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Sorry but although they are pretty rare this seems expensive to me given the age and mileage. As mentioned at this age corrosion will probably be an issue and you could end up having to bin it or spend a lot to rectify it.

I do like them though. Finding a manual is extremely difficult it seems. Plus, I'd personally prefer a saloon as have no need for an estate.

ace275

4 posts

52 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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I own one of the other 100 6-Speed Spec B's.

I bought it as a temporary car whilst I'm awaiting my 2.0 Twinscroll 6-Speed arriving from Japan. But honestly, this 3.0r B has really surprised me and I'll be disappointed when the time comes to sell. The Twinscroll should be the slightly better car, but I'll miss the Flat-6 soundtrack

foxhounduk

704 posts

210 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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I look at these every so often and it's a real unicorn car for me but I've never been able to take the plunge.
I did have a mark 2 Subaru Legacy estate once, bought it for £900 and it was suprisingly good. Slow yes but once it got going, the boxer rumble and the handling made it all good. It was so rewarding to drive.
I remember driving back one Christmas from Cornwall and it was thick with snow, about 6 inches of it and there were cars on the motorways and A roads banked to one side, some had skidded off the road into a tree but I was going 60mph full tilt without a care in the world, listening to music, literally ploughing through snow and NOT ONCE did it slip. They have the best AWD system in the world.

PomBstard

7,887 posts

272 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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I’m presuming the 1-in-a-100 is UK market only as I would imagine you’d find a few RHD manual wagons in Japan and Australia.

Which brings me to this fine example - a 2004 3.0 R-B manual wagon, one owner from new, coming up for 460,000km on the clock, which is around 290,000 miles

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2004-suba...

Only selling cos his new Subaru has been delivered…

Alexxc

10 posts

136 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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I've had a 6 speed manual imported twinscroll legacy for a year and a half now. I think I would struggle to find a better all around daily car now without spending at least double what it cost on something German.
I managed to get mid 30 mpg on a recent trip to Europe which is notably better than the 6cyl UK version.
What I'd do for the noise of the H6 boxer though! Twinscoll Subarus sound more like a Honda than anything unfortunately

RB Will

10,873 posts

270 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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Water Fairy said:
Sorry but although they are pretty rare this seems expensive to me given the age and mileage.
This is a fair comment, I hadn't really thought about it until your comment. Shows how mad the used car market is at the moment. I bought my 54plate one in I think 2010, with similar mileage, full Subaru service history and with warranty from the dealer at £4500. Sold it a couple of years later for about £2500. Think the BIL paid similar to that when he bought his, but in fairness it is a bit rough. I'd struggle to convince myself to pay £5k plus for one, even if it was original, mint and low miles.

NGK210

5,062 posts

175 months

Tuesday 9th May 2023
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IIRC, Subaru made an effort to keep the weight down and the bodyshell stiff: the application of lightweight high-tensile steel is above and beyond?

Meanwhile, the ghost of PH’s sub editor is on hols again…
PistonHeads said:
See the originally advert here >