RE: Continent compression (ignition) | Six of the Best
RE: Continent compression (ignition) | Six of the Best
Sunday 28th May 2023

Continent compression (ignition) | Six of the Best

Diesels may be out of favour - and all but dead - but this dirty half dozen shows why that's a crying shame...


Bentley Bentayga 4.0 V8, 2017, 53k, £77,500

So complete was the derv revolution over the last 20 years or so, that all six of the cars featured here will make the miles fly by. But there’s no better way to prove the brilliance of modern diesels than an oil-burning Bentayga. There was a time when the idea of a diesel Bentley seemed as ridiculous as…I dunno…women’s Premier League football. After the cries of sacrilege had died down, though, it turned out that both are rather good. So good that, earlier this month, over 60,000 people piled into the Emirates Stadium to watch the women’s Champions League semi-final between Arsenal and Wolfsburg. By happy coincidence, Wolfsburg is where the 4.0-litre TDI V8 engine in this Bentayga originated from, and it’s a belter. Very nearly as refined as the petrol V8, but with far better economy and low-end grunt. That's the diesel way, of course, so it’s the perfect fit for luxury cars. It’s ironic, then, that Wolfsburg was also the death of diesel, after VW (and others) played fast and loose with the rules. The result is that today, diesel is all but dead, despite ending up (in many cases) less polluting than a lot of petrols, which is a crying shame. It also meant that the diesel Bentley Bentayga was short-lived, but good ones like this live on in the used market. 

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Jaguar F-Pace D300, 2021, 24k, £49,473

I wasn’t a fan of the F-Pace when it first arrived. Sure, it handled well, but I didn’t find the engines particularly invigorating or smooth, the infotainment system was buggy and the interior was well below par for a premium SUV. But then, like a lot of JLR’s products, things improved – suddenly and quite dramatically. By 2020, the F-Pace had a new infotainment system, which didn’t just have vastly improved software but a crisp, new HD screen as well. The interior was completely revised, which meant the wobbly bits and the nasty vinyl dashboard covering – which reminded me of the material used on my 1960’s portable record player – were replaced with proper plastics that were properly put together. But best of all was its new straight-six diesel engine. We’re running a Defender with the D300 Ingenium 6 and it’s sublime. You get exactly the same engine with this facelifted F-Pace, which, with 24,000 miles, should be nicely run in. The MHEV stop-start is slick, the torque is effortless and straight-six is sonorous. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: it’s the best diesel on the market currently in my opinion, and the perfect power plant for big miles. 

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Range Rover (L322), 2006, 96k, £5,990

Any lineup of mile-munching diesels would feel incomplete without a Range Rover. But which one? Arguably, the L322 is peak Range Rover, and the summit of the L322 range, for many, is the 3.6 TDV8. I can see that argument – I may even have made it myself on occasion. But I also have a soft spot for the earlier cars with BMW running gear, like this 2006 Vogue. True, the BMW 2.9-litre inline six-cylinder lacks the torque of the later V8s, but I remember driving these back in the day when they were new and didn’t think they were gutless. 174hp and 288lb ft may have only been enough for 0-62mph in 12 seconds, but back when this car was made we didn’t seem as obsessed with the breakneck speed of our SUVs as we are today. The other reason I picked a BMW-engined L322 for a change is that I prefer its styling. They’re cleaner and less fussy than the later cars with all that honeycomb jewellery. I also fancied this one because it isn’t all black, which makes for a change. Its 96,000 miles alludes to solid service rather than hard labour, and it’s worn those miles well. It’s also a hell of a lot of car for £6,000 – with the usual Range Rover caveats, of course. 

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Mercedes-Benz CLS 350 CDI, 2009, 70k, £4,995

This Six of the Best is mostly about the diesel engines, but before we get onto this CLS 350 CDI’s compression ignition motor, a quick note on the body it’s wrapped up in. Sexy, isn’t it? The C219 was based on the W211 E-Class, which itself was rather a pretty car, but the CLS drew a taut and dazzling skin over that platform. When it was revealed as the Vision concept at the 2003 Frankfurt International Motor Show it was a showstopper, and kicked off the four-door coupés genre, too. Many engines were available, but if you wanted to do big miles speedily, without having to stop off to refill too often, then this was the engine to buy. In later 350 spec it’s a 3.0-litre V6 turbo diesel rated at 272hp, and 435lb ft of seemingly endless twist. Coupled with Mercedes’ seven-speed auto, it could move you along very swiftly to 62mph in 6.5 seconds, while returning a healthy cruising MPG to the light-footed. This wasn’t the peak for diesel, which only got better and better in the years after this 70,000-mile car was made, but it is the period when diesel was in full swing. And for all the right reasons, too.  

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Alpina D5 S, 2019, 36k, £39,000

The Alpina approach always suited diesel power; aside from a couple of track-focused special editions, they’ve been fast road cars, ready to take on any journey with considerable comfort, style, and panache. They’re still doing that, for a couple more years at least, with cars like the D4 and D3. But they’re now mighty expensive prospects; this D5 is £40k, looks near enough factory fresh for its 36,000 miles, and remains one of the fastest diesels ever, capable of almost 180mph thanks to 326hp and 516lb ft. With a new 5 Series just announced it's almost customary to look back on a previous model kindly, and Alpina’s trademark overhaul - including the delectable wheels, here forged for the first time and saving 15kg a corner (!) - really worked a treat on the F30 era. It’s clearly not standard, yet it stops some way short of being OTT as well, just as any great Alpina should be.

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Audi S6 TDI, 2020, 28k, £37,930

Using similar electric compressor technology as found in the larger SQ7 (the V8 engine that also went on into the Bentayga above), the S6 TDI marked a pretty drastic break in tradition for the A6 flagship beneath the RS. Where previously there had gone a V8 and even a V10, in went a 3.0-litre diesel. But for those time-honed S6 traits of effortless, any-weather performance, the TDI delivered, the compressor filling in a lot of the lag to mean maximum speed for minimum effort. The gravelly even sounded quite good; at any other time, the combination of S6 attributes with 516lb ft and a genuine WLTP 35mpg would have appealed, but it really came at the wrong time. This red four-door must be a very rare car indeed. But if there are a lot of miles to cover with the minimum of fuss and a healthy turn of speed, there’s little better. It’s yours for £38k.

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Author
Discussion

Ashok

Original Poster:

622 posts

289 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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Ooh yes.. Alpina D5 for me please. Seems like a good deal too. I've driven my Alpinas all over Europe and they just lap up for the miles smile

Dapster

9,547 posts

210 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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If you're going for a filthy diseasel you may as well go big or go home....500 bhp and 1000 nm





All the decking and nappa was part of £44k Exclusive pack apparently -



Great quote from Autocar

"Should I buy one? Absolutely not. The Q7 Exclusive concept package is overpriced, overengined and about as tasteful as a gold-plated oil barrel. However, like a loaded shotgun in a playground, the V12 Q7 is so cataclysmically out of step with its time that it exudes a roguish charm quite unlike anything else on the road."


Stick Legs

8,992 posts

195 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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Dapster said:
If you're going for a filthy diseasel you may as well go big or go home....500 bhp and 1000 nm





All the decking and nappa was part of £44k Exclusive pack apparently -



Great quote from Autocar

"Should I buy one? Absolutely not. The Q7 Exclusive concept package is overpriced, overengined and about as tasteful as a gold-plated oil barrel. However, like a loaded shotgun in a playground, the V12 Q7 is so cataclysmically out of step with its time that it exudes a roguish charm quite unlike anything else on the road."
That’s deliciously daft.

el romeral

2,215 posts

167 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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The Bentley and the Alpina are sold already. I must say, I never realised Bentley made a diesel, it looks glorious, even if it uses the devil’s fuel.

GiantCardboardPlato

5,974 posts

51 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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Dodgy paint matching on the Mercedes? Passenger door looks a different colour in the image above.

200Plus Club

13,678 posts

308 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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GiantCardboardPlato said:
Dodgy paint matching on the Mercedes? Passenger door looks a different colour in the image above.
It's an insurance write off as per the advert. Anyone buying it needs their head wobbling.
A basic check of its MOT history is fun, someone doesn't like buying new tyres and was happy to run round on them with cords showing and a bent rim year on year.
Run away, quickly....

Edited by 200Plus Club on Sunday 28th May 07:16

Mouse Rat

2,103 posts

122 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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You can't beat a 6 pot diesel for all round ability especially in big cars. I love them.

Pusikurac

121 posts

70 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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I'm missing BMW 50d, especially latest iteration with quad turbos! That and Bugatti!

cerb4.5lee

44,912 posts

210 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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I've always liked a diesel 6(I'd also love to try a diesel V8) to cover decent miles. I really liked the engine in the 640d I had, and I'm currently very impressed with the engine in the GLE400d as well. Both are straight 6 twin turbo diesels so they feel smooth/punchy/torquey, plus they are decent enough on fuel too.

mooseracer

2,805 posts

200 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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Pusikurac said:
I'm missing BMW 50d, especially latest iteration with quad turbos! That and Bugatti!
Bugatti??

GianiCakes

702 posts

103 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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I didn’t realize they put the Ingenium 6 into the F Pace. Having experienced the engine in the new Range Rover I bet that’s a really effective package. Probably won’t be many of them around.

chirurgus

520 posts

246 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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We have a Jaguar F Pace S with the twin turbo V6 diesel as a family car and it’s excellent for the task. 300hp and 700Nm of torque make it extremely brisk and it feels rear driven (it is most of the time). It handles really very well despite the disadvantages inherent to all SUVs, but does eat tyres when consistently driven hard.
It doesn’t have the interior space of a Range Rover but nor does it have to carry the extra weight. Ours has the top spec interior prior to the facelift, which is far better than the basic set up, and it’s a nice enough place to be. The sound system is very good and the larger screens work well, although the newer iteration is clearly another step up.
I’d prefer an estate car but my wife wanted an SUV, and it’s a better compromise than most in that regard. It’s been completely reliable throughout the 140k it’s covered so far and has cost us nothing beyond tyres and servicing (and bodywork repairs when my wife has been practising her park-by-touch technique).

J4CKO

46,933 posts

230 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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200Plus Club said:
GiantCardboardPlato said:
Dodgy paint matching on the Mercedes? Passenger door looks a different colour in the image above.
It's an insurance write off as per the advert. Anyone buying it needs their head wobbling.
A basic check of its MOT history is fun, someone doesn't like buying new tyres and was happy to run round on them with cords showing and a bent rim year on year.
Run away, quickly....

Edited by 200Plus Club on Sunday 28th May 07:16
Needs to be cheaper given its ropey history but to be honest, they are pretty tough, just check it over properly.




Water Fairy

6,622 posts

185 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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X3 35d owner here and I have to say it makes for a really great family wagon. Ours has literally every option available at the time (pan roof/HUD/f&r heated seats/ HK/Pro nav/heated steering wheel/adaptive lights/360 view.......) bar a couple of things. No apologies, great thing. And Carbon Black is fastest obvs.........

3117FA0D-4CA5-46E0-8867-098AA50F4AA0 by James Fawcett, on Flickr

Edited by Water Fairy on Sunday 28th May 10:11

cerb4.5lee

44,912 posts

210 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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Water Fairy said:
X3 35d owner here and I have to say it makes for a really great family wagon. Ours has literally every option available at the time (pan roof/HUD/f&r heated seats/ HK/Pro nav/heated steering wheel/adaptive lights/360 view.......) bar a couple of things. No apologies, great thing. And Carbon Black is fastest obvs.........

3117FA0D-4CA5-46E0-8867-098AA50F4AA0 by James Fawcett, on Flickr

Edited by Water Fairy on Sunday 28th May 10:11
Money no object I'd love a GLE63S, but like you I find that the GLE400d ticks a lot of boxes as an all round family car for sure.

Water Fairy

6,622 posts

185 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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cerb4.5lee said:
Water Fairy said:
X3 35d owner here and I have to say it makes for a really great family wagon. Ours has literally every option available at the time (pan roof/HUD/f&r heated seats/ HK/Pro nav/heated steering wheel/adaptive lights/360 view.......) bar a couple of things. No apologies, great thing. And Carbon Black is fastest obvs.........

3117FA0D-4CA5-46E0-8867-098AA50F4AA0 by James Fawcett, on Flickr

Edited by Water Fairy on Sunday 28th May 10:11
Money no object I'd love a GLE63S, but like you I find that the GLE400d ticks a lot of boxes as an all round family car for sure.
Nice

cerb4.5lee

44,912 posts

210 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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Water Fairy said:
Nice
Cheers. thumbup

We actually looked at an X4 35d a few years ago because we loved the engine in the 640d so much. In the end we went in the direction of a Merc GLC350d, but that combo of the 35d/40d engine mated to the ZF8 auto is awesome for sure I reckon. smile

E63eeeeee...

5,766 posts

79 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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That CLS is a weird addition to this list, and how you'd miss off a 640d is baffling. The balance of performance, comfort, economy and price is pretty much unbeatable. 5 point something to 60, 469 lb/ft, will do 40mpg without trying too hard and I imagine you can now get a reasonable one for close to 10k.

I would like to know more about how the Alpina wheels save 15kg a corner. Given the normal 5/6 series 20in wheels seem to come in at 15-17kg, that implies they're almost weightless, which is a definite technical advance.

occasionalranter

478 posts

76 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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If those forged alloys on the D5 save 15kg a corner as claimed, then they must be forged from aerogel. 15kg my arse.

The G30 5 series has a pretty well resolved chassis. Just buy a passive MSport 530d xdrive, remap it lightly and ditch the runflats. 80% of the Alpina goodness for 20% of the premium.

occasionalranter

478 posts

76 months

Sunday 28th May 2023
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NB also 2019 5 series is G30, not F30 as stated in article...