RE: Honda Integra Type R (DC5) | Spotted
RE: Honda Integra Type R (DC5) | Spotted
Tuesday 30th May 2023

Honda Integra Type R (DC5) | Spotted

Imported in droves, but they don't come as tidy - or original - as this


I’ve never understood why Honda failed to bring the DC5 Integra Type R to the UK. I know every manufacturer has their reasons for restricting certain models to certain markets, which is usually down to a lack of interest in certain territories or legislation drawn up by joy-sapping bureaucrats. That’s why we don’t get the new Nissan 400Z and why the Toyota GR86 has a shelf life of just two years in Europe.

It’s more of an issue these days, but we’re here to talk about a 2.0-litre Honda that first appeared 20 years ago – when emissions and fuel laws weren’t nearly as nannying. Besides, Honda had launched the Type R brand in the UK with the original DC2 Integra in the late 1990s and although it was limited to just 500 units, we couldn’t get enough of the rev-happy coupe. The same could be said for the UK-made EP3 Civic Type R, a car so popular among enthusiasts that you voted it the third greatest hot hatch of the last 25 Years. So when Honda announced that the DC2 would be getting a replacement, we were rather miffed to learn it wouldn’t be coming to Britain.

Now, I’ve done a fair bit of digging to figure out why Honda decided to sidestep Europe with the DC5 Integra, but I’m coming up short. Unless proven otherwise, I’m chalking this up as another case of Japanese carmakers holding back all the good stuff for their home market. That being said, the DC5 wasn’t the instant hit that the DC2 Integra and EK9 Civic Type R were. It was some 200kg heavier than its predecessor, which is likely why reviewers at the time said it wasn’t quite as engaging to drive. But it’s all relative. Compared to everything else at the time, the DC5 was still one of the most scintillating front-wheel cars on the planet.

Despite being marginally heavier - likely due to increased safety kit - a 1,200-odd kilo kerb weight isn’t what you’d call portly, is it? And, remember, this was the peak of Honda’s four-pot screamer, with the DC5’s naturally aspirated 2.0-litre VTEC engine mustering 220hp all the way up at 8,000rpm – 400 revs shy of the limiter. An extra ratio in the gearbox brought a degree of usability, though all six speeds are tightly packed together to keep you close to the redline. Oh, and it’s accessed through Honda’s signature teardrop shifter knob – recently renewed for the latest FL5 Civic Type R.

Of course, it didn’t take long for DC5s to find their way into the UK as grey imports. Like the DC2, the newer ‘Teg was somewhat underappreciated for the best part of 15 years, with values sitting around the £10,000 mark for a clean example. But stock cars are becoming increasingly more difficult to find, though this car has a tasty list of parts from Honda tuners Mugen and Spoon.

However, the car you see here hits the JDM classic sweet spot. Not only is it completely stock, but it’s a fresh import from Japan and, therefore, hasn’t been exposed to Britain’s salty, corrosion-friendly winter roads. Not yet, anyway. Those red Recaros are known for wearing, though the interior of this example looks absolutely spotless. DCY Europe wants £17,985 for it, which sounds like a reasonable deal compared to some other JDM icons out there. Resist the urge to mod the heck out of it – and try to keep it away from gritted roads – and it’ll likely hold its value nicely. Not that you’ll want to part ways with it, mind...


SPECIFICATION | HONDA CIVIC TYPE R (DC5)

Engine: 1,998cc four-cylinder
Transmission: six-speed, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 220@8,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 152@7,000rpm
MPG: 29
CO2: N/A
Year registered: 2001
Recorded mileage: 58,000
Price new: est. £23,000 (import only)
Yours for: £17,985.

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gonnagetyoursBenny

Original Poster:

103 posts

135 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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If exposed to the A1 in December, which would fare better, this or a McVities Rich Tea?

rossub

5,990 posts

220 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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Yup, ours rotted like hell at the rear. Fuel filler pipe disintegrated.

Traded in with the same miles as this one for £6k in 2015.

Pflanzgarten

7,630 posts

55 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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Looked at loads circa 2013 to try and build a Nürburgring track car out of one-they were all pretty shagged out and I got sick of looking before I bought one.

I think they’d fallen into the hands of the type of owner who put on cheap mods and didn’t look after them at that point.

emmetb

168 posts

62 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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Great cars, but like the S2000 never rust-proofed for the UK roads which in the case of the DC5 is forgivable as it was never officially sold here. They are not rot-boxes any more than any other car imported from Japan and then not treated for our road conditions would be.

If this example is relatively rot free then giving it a full underbody treatment would be my first port of call. You'd then have an iconic Type R that would likely still be around when most of the others are long gone and.... well just look at S2000 prices.

Edited by emmetb on Tuesday 30th May 10:18

Firebobby

1,002 posts

69 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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Luckily I'm already deaf in one ear, which just leaves the one to listen to the screaming of the teg every time you want to make any sort of decent progress. The very same reason I got rid of my EP3 after just 12 weeks! Come to think of it I think I got my deaf ear during that ownership...

The Rotrex Kid

35,004 posts

190 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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Firebobby said:
Luckily I'm already deaf in one ear, which just leaves the one to listen to the screaming of the teg every time you want to make any sort of decent progress. The very same reason I got rid of my EP3 after just 12 weeks! Come to think of it I think I got my deaf ear during that ownership...
200+bhp NA engine needs revving to ‘make progress’ shocker. Hold the front page hehe


anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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About 10k over priced which of a lot to pay for less miles and no mods on what is a notoriously reliable engine.

I had a DC2 and test drove one of these as a potential newer replacement, but it just didn’t do it for me. Even the DC2 had a limited time it was fun to drive (about a year was more than enough for me), it got a bit one trick pony after a while, and the novelty of revving it a lot wore off.

mooseracer

2,805 posts

200 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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I always felt that these were a bit of a soft cop-out from Honda after the DC2 - I absolutely adored mine.

I was probably wrong, with hindsight.

Iamnotkloot

1,910 posts

177 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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The Rotrex Kid said:
Firebobby said:
Luckily I'm already deaf in one ear, which just leaves the one to listen to the screaming of the teg every time you want to make any sort of decent progress. The very same reason I got rid of my EP3 after just 12 weeks! Come to think of it I think I got my deaf ear during that ownership...
200+bhp NA engine needs revving to ‘make progress’ shocker. Hold the front page hehe
I think your rebuke would make more sense if you quoted bhp/ton rather than bhp.
My car has a 400bhp NA engine and doesn't require revving to make progress.

epom

14,983 posts

191 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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Saw a spotless one of these on Saturday morning. Made me smile.

Frimley111R

19,287 posts

264 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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Misanthroper said:
About 10k over priced which of a lot to pay for less miles and no mods on what is a notoriously reliable engine.

I had a DC2 and test drove one of these as a potential newer replacement, but it just didn’t do it for me. Even the DC2 had a limited time it was fun to drive (about a year was more than enough for me), it got a bit one trick pony after a while, and the novelty of revving it a lot wore off.
look at these too. I learnt that the DC2 had a great rep but the DC5 just traded on that and wasn't that great without mods.

Still, nice cars but quite old now and very pricey. I bought another R26 which was several years newer, didn't rust, had more power and was half the price. it was a lovely example too. Just couldn't justify/risk a DC5 for the price of a decent one in the end.

Terminator X

20,782 posts

234 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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We owned a DC2 then a DC5, loved them both. The 2 was perhaps a bit madder at the cam changeover point and they seemed to soften that with the 5.

TX.

JJJ.

5,611 posts

45 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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9/10.

bumskins

2,268 posts

45 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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Misanthroper said:
About 10k over priced which of a lot to pay for less miles and no mods on what is a notoriously reliable engine.
Really? The lump I got from a breakers for £600, fitted a new Honda timing chain/tensioner kit to and then bladdered around race tracks for 2.5 years didn't give me any fuss and had allegedly done 130k miles before I got hold of it - must have had one of the 'few' good ones...

_Bozzy

780 posts

108 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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bumskins said:
Misanthroper said:
About 10k over priced which of a lot to pay for less miles and no mods on what is a notoriously reliable engine.
Really? The lump I got from a breakers for £600, fitted a new Honda timing chain/tensioner kit to and then bladdered around race tracks for 2.5 years didn't give me any fuss and had allegedly done 130k miles before I got hold of it - must have had one of the 'few' good ones...
He says notoriously reliable, not unreliable. I think he's suggesting the mileage isn't a factor as they're a reliable unit anyway.

Robmarriott

2,969 posts

188 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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This specific car is on my shortlist at the moment. In theory it’s completely depreciation proof and reliable enough to daily drive. My main concern is the potential for rot in the future.

I should probably go and view the car but DCY are only open on weekdays and I have a job.

Neith

624 posts

170 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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Just shy of £18k is very strong money for a DC5. Speaking from previous experience I also wouldn't buy again from that specific importer.

They're extremely fun cars (owned mine for about 3 years), but you can likely get a decent one for a few grand less than this one.

The reason often quoted why Honda didn't sell it here is that it would compete for sales with the EP3, so they opted to just sell the EP3 instead. Whether this is actually true I have no idea.

gruppeb86

641 posts

43 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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Iamnotkloot said:
I think your rebuke would make more sense if you quoted bhp/ton rather than bhp.
My car has a 400bhp NA engine and doesn't require revving to make progress.
Wow. Sounds amazing. Bet you don't rev it much, because usually you don't have to go far before coming to a repeated standstill. But then it probably has huge brake calipers meaning you can frequently use your heavy foot.

The Rotrex Kid

35,004 posts

190 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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Iamnotkloot said:
The Rotrex Kid said:
Firebobby said:
Luckily I'm already deaf in one ear, which just leaves the one to listen to the screaming of the teg every time you want to make any sort of decent progress. The very same reason I got rid of my EP3 after just 12 weeks! Come to think of it I think I got my deaf ear during that ownership...
200+bhp NA engine needs revving to ‘make progress’ shocker. Hold the front page hehe
I think your rebuke would make more sense if you quoted bhp/ton rather than bhp.
My car has a 400bhp NA engine and doesn't require revving to make progress.
I should have said bhp/litre you mean

But also, peak power on an E39 M5 (I assume that’s the car you mean) is 6600rpm, so if you want to extract the power or ‘make progress’ you do have to rev it a lot more than most people would expect, those who are used to modern turbo diesels etc would not expect to have to take the revs to near 7000rpm.

CrippsCorner

3,386 posts

211 months

Tuesday 30th May 2023
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Saw an old school friend about 15 years ago and he told me he drove one of these, in blue. Then, didn't see him again until last year, and he's still driving around in it! Completely standard too, bet that's held it's value well.

Always really liked these. I went to look at a DC2 once, but ended up wanting an Impreza the dealer was selling instead. Then, found out I couldn't get insured on it (early 20s at the time) was didn't get either, that was a mistake I feel!