RE: Time Attack Renault Clio 197 | PH Private Area
RE: Time Attack Renault Clio 197 | PH Private Area
Sunday 4th June 2023

Time Attack Renault Clio 197 | PH Private Area

Meet the PHer who set out to build 'the mother of all turbo engines'. And ended up with 580hp in a Clio...


The thing I enjoy most about the PH classifieds is the variety. You never know what you’ll find. It could be anything. On my last tour through the many cars for sale, I found a delivery-miles Lexus LFA up for one million pounds, and for that you get a car with around 570hp. Or you could have a Renault Clio with 10hp more for £25,000. Yes, you did read that correctly: a Renault Clio with 580hp. See what I mean about variety…

This car is owned by Nick. He runs a company called Pure Motorsport, which, funnily enough, supplies motorsport parts for Renaults. He sells parts mainly to club racers and hill climbers, but will also sell you bits for older Clio Cup cars used in historic racing – the factory supplies all the parts for the modern stuff. Anyway, it makes perfect sense that Nick decided to build a Renault racing car of his own, which he did.

The first one was a Clio 172 Phase I, which he built for hill climbs. He said it was quite successful, too, having eked out 260hp from its naturally aspirated 2.0-litre engine. After he’d stamped his mark on the hill climbs, Nick decided to tackle the Time Attack Series with his Clio, and very quickly realised that there was a problem.

If you haven’t heard of Time Attack, it all started in Japan and moved to the UK in 2006. In 2010 it was formally recognised by Motorsport UK as a fully-fledged series, and it pulls in big crowds at circuits across the country. And it’s not hard to see why. This isn’t head-to-head racing, as such, but effectively a qualifying-style race against the clock. Flat-out driving in other words.

There are various classes and, to quote the Time Attack website, each one pushes a car ‘to its absolute limit and beyond; on the knife-edge of engine power, traction and response; on the limits of handling, chassis set-up and downforce, whilst maintaining reliability and, above all, speed’. If that doesn’t get the juices flowing, I don’t know what will.

Getting back to Nick’s debut, he found that even with 260hp his Clio was nowhere. He was in the Club Class, which is the most popular category in the series for tuned production cars, and split between two- and four-wheel-drive cars. Even though this is the middle-of-the-road class for the gentleman racer, the cars were still pushing 500hp. Twice what Nick’s Clio had, then, which is when he decided to go BIG.

He bought a completely bog-standard Clio 197, and over the course of a year, turned it into the car you see here. First, he stripped out the interior and fitted a roll cage, and then, to use his own words, set about building ‘the mother of all turbo engines’. The advert lists all the intricacies of what that entailed, but the basics include using a Megane 225 block and fitting a new Clio 197 head to it. This had oversized valves and bigger cams, and he also added custom pistons and rods, a new forged crank and the bottom end was fully balanced up. The reason for such meticulous attention to detail was down to the next addition on the list: a Garrett GTX3076 Gen2 Turbocharger. Even in its low-boost setting, this swells the 2.0-litre’s outputs up to a heady 490hp and 350lb ft. Turn the wick up to max and it’ll churn out the full 580hp and 450lb ft.

To begin with, he left the engine on a low heat (just the 490hp) and the car ran reliably and quickly – Nick says that at Snetterton he hit 150mph down the back straight with relative ease. But, as always, when there’s a big, shiny, red button (in this case metaphorically speaking) anyone with a sense of adventure would have to press it, right? So he did. And all was well for about 10 minutes at full boost and all 580hp. Then, without even using full throttle, it stripped all the teeth on fifth gear and the engine’s top end said enough is enough.

He's since stripped it all down and made some changes. He reckons that the Megane 225 NDO gearbox the Clio is running is basically a tough old unit, but to help it cope with this much torque he’s fitted a new fifth gear with deeper-cut teeth. The issue with the engine was head lift, which he put down to the ARP head studs. He’s since changed these for bolts that will stretch but still retain their clamping force. Even so, he says he’d advise anyone who buys the car to not run it beyond 500hp. Think of the last 80hp a bit like the wafer-thin mint that caused Mr Creosote to explode in The Meaning of Life.

Why’s he selling it, now it’s back to full fitness? Well, he lives in Cornwall and is struggling to carve out the time needed to get to all the events. The closest to him is Brands, and even that’s a five-hour journey. Having to cut short so many working Fridays and getting back late on Sundays after each trip away was taking its toll on him and the business. Hence, it’s time for someone else to have some fun with the Clio.

On which point, I asked him what he’d suggest for the next stage in its evolution. He reckons the first thing would be to lose some weight. The Clio is a heavy car – around 1,200kg – and currently all the bodywork is the original steel panels. He has a set of lightweight polycarbonate windows to go in it, but he’d also look at carbon panels to lighten it further. Then he’d consider some aero. He said the Clio’s suspension and twin-axis steering are so well designed that the car is stable at 150mph and doesn’t torque steer wildly even with all the grunt. But to really get the lap times down substantially it needs more aero grip. A front splitter and rear wing can be bought off-the-shelf, but a custom-built flat floor and rear diffuser would be worth considering, depending on how far the next owner wants to go.

And if that is you, and you’re looking for something balls-out crazy for some weekend fun, then why not give Nick a call? He knows stuff and fair play, he’s built something unseemly - which in PH terms means brilliant. Bravo. 


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MyV10BarksAndBites

Original Poster:

1,705 posts

79 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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A Clio too far… That’s why he’s selling…. Can do way better just starting with a better non fwd platform with even less power with way more potential for more….

He loved his Clio and clearly wanted to prove a point… After all that money, sense has now kicked in!!! beerbiglaugh

200Plus Club

13,678 posts

308 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Agreed, been some serious money wasted there to compete in something that's like a timed hill climb sprint but without any excitement for spectators. If you've ever watched it on a big track it's as dull as ditchwater for 90% of the cars. The big budget stuff is in another league of performance and speed.
This one needs a cooking engine back in it and thrashing round trackdays for fun, will never be reliable without.

Edited by 200Plus Club on Sunday 4th June 06:48

Jon_S_Rally

4,469 posts

118 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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I do love PH. Ad includes a perfectly plausible reason for sale and two randoms who don't know the owner from Adam immediately assume it's a lie and come to their own conclusion laugh Nick is very well regarded in Clio circles, and Pure Motorsport are pretty much considered the best parts supplier in that market, so I'm not sure he has much reason to lie. Let's face it, getting to any circuit from Cornwall must be a pain in the arse.

Anyway, what a mad car. Not what I'd do with a Clio, as I think the normally aspirated engine is part of their character. If I wanted a turbocharged Renault hot hatch, I'd just buy a Megane and save myself the time of swapping an engine. Still, fair play to him for building it. Looks like it was a labour of love.

200Plus Club

13,678 posts

308 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Jon_S_Rally said:
I do love PH. Ad includes a perfectly plausible reason for sale and two randoms who don't know the owner from Adam immediately assume it's a lie and come to their own conclusion laugh Nick is very well regarded in Clio circles, and Pure Motorsport are pretty much considered the best parts supplier in that market, so I'm not sure he has much reason to lie. Let's face it, getting to any circuit from Cornwall must be a pain in the arse.

Anyway, what a mad car. Not what I'd do with a Clio, as I think the normally aspirated engine is part of their character. If I wanted a turbocharged Renault hot hatch, I'd just buy a Megane and save myself the time of swapping an engine. Still, fair play to him for building it. Looks like it was a labour of love.
Err I don't think anyone said anything about lying?
I think we both actually said what a tremendous waste of money! It looks a superb build, and has had a serious amount of time effort and cash thrown at it for naught in time attack
As I actually said, chuck a cooking engine in it and go trackday/ hill climb it and enjoy it.
What a strange assumption you make! If he lives too far and can't make it/fund racing/not competitive thats a perfectly good reason to sell and fair play to him

Edited by 200Plus Club on Sunday 4th June 07:19

Macron

13,405 posts

196 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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PH Private Area.

In a fully publicly accessible article on the open Internet.

Beats "behold", though, I suppose.

PSB1967

501 posts

186 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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As he lives that way, he needs to take it and compete in Circuit de Camborne in Cornwall. I stayed there for a few days last week. The side streets are used as some unofficial race track by youngish lads and lassies in everything from boosted 335d's to one lad and his MK6 Fiesta Zetec with nothing more than a loud back box.
The Idea seems to be: Bait the police if available, drive slowly into a junction or roundabout then use all the power available to exit, hopefully including a dump valve whoosh as they reduce speed to prep for the next turning, it's more of a style thing than out right speed. Some of the Mods I saw makes me wonder if Max Power mag retired there. This car would up the anti to a whole new level. What a cracking build.
(FWIW, I found the people of Camborne really friendly and completely at odds with Camborne's rep when I spoke to people living in other parts of Cornwall. And it's ideal if like me you want a central base from which to explore the area)

evilspike

8 posts

142 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Fiesta with a horrifically loud exhaust, probably making the car slower? I think I saw/heard him yesterday if it's a black one.

Oh to be young again...

CedricN

855 posts

175 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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I dont get people here, he built a car with some fun ideas and also used it in competition on track, how can that be a waste of money? Compared to all the sports cars and modded cars that doesn't even see a track in their whole life, that would be more of a waste in my book. With the way the world is moving anyone who still puts effort in building mad cars should be applauded, even if it isn't how you would build it exactly.

200Plus Club

13,678 posts

308 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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CedricN said:
I dont get people here, he built a car with some fun ideas and also used it in competition on track, how can that be a waste of money? Compared to all the sports cars and modded cars that doesn't even see a track in their whole life, that would be more of a waste in my book. With the way the world is moving anyone who still puts effort in building mad cars should be applauded, even if it isn't how you would build it exactly.
In terms of a build for a specific motorsport event. ie 580bhp in a fwd heavy chassis for a limited series event where the classes contain caterham 620R and equivalent cars. Now it's being sold for a fraction of the money invested, and will still struggle to find a competitive series/home. People suggested that's a bit of a lost cause that's all.

Zuban

33 posts

84 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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A lot of the parts Nick develops for his cars like this one end up being parts he sells so some of of its r&d aswell. His stuff is excellent and he is great to deal with and always happy to give advice.

There does seem to be a common theme where the really high power clios don’t seem to stay with their owners very long though.

mooseracer

2,805 posts

200 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Macron said:
PH Private Area.

In a fully publicly accessible article on the open Internet.

Beats "behold", though, I suppose.
Silly me thinking private as in for sale by an individual.

Were you expecting it to be password protected or something?

Water Fairy

6,619 posts

185 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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There really are some chaffinches on this site sometimes. Who says it's a waste of money? It's his money and he did what he wanted to do with it.

If we are all being honest cars are a waste of money in that as enthusiasts we spend more than we really have to.

End of.

rolleyes


200Plus Club

13,678 posts

308 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Water Fairy said:
There really are some chaffinches on this site sometimes. Who says it's a waste of money? It's his money and he did what he wanted to do with it.

If we are all being honest cars are a waste of money in that as enthusiasts we spend more than we really have to.

End of.

rolleyes
People with their own opinions obviously. End of lol

Water Fairy

6,619 posts

185 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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200Plus Club said:
Water Fairy said:
There really are some chaffinches on this site sometimes. Who says it's a waste of money? It's his money and he did what he wanted to do with it.

If we are all being honest cars are a waste of money in that as enthusiasts we spend more than we really have to.

End of.

rolleyes
People with their own opinions obviously. End of lol
What's that song by Carly Simon?

'You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you, don't you?....

LMFAO

AKjr

654 posts

41 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Imagine having a car like this to talk about and squabbling like a.pack of little bhes instead....

Tremendous conversion/work and a good read, well played. It seems like a labour of love and I'm sure they getting to the end result wasn't easy - seems worth it, though! 500bhp plus In a small hot hatch, rofl

Terminator X

20,779 posts

234 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Fair play to anyone with the skills for this sort of thing.

TX.

Edit - lol just read the other replies.

Edited by Terminator X on Sunday 4th June 22:32

LucyP

1,773 posts

89 months

Tuesday 6th June 2023
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I think there is some "poetic licence" in this article.

When did he last race in Time Attack, and did he ever win his class or even come in the top 3? I can't find any reference to him after 2018, and the car he used in 2017 was a different Clio.

Was he in the Clubman or Clubman + category?

If he didn't win or have a podium place, then is he or the car or both the problem?

Therefore, is what he is selling any good? Is it even current or was it last raced 5 years ago?

MyV10BarksAndBites

Original Poster:

1,705 posts

79 months

Tuesday 6th June 2023
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200Plus Club said:
CedricN said:
I dont get people here, he built a car with some fun ideas and also used it in competition on track, how can that be a waste of money? Compared to all the sports cars and modded cars that doesn't even see a track in their whole life, that would be more of a waste in my book. With the way the world is moving anyone who still puts effort in building mad cars should be applauded, even if it isn't how you would build it exactly.
In terms of a build for a specific motorsport event. ie 580bhp in a fwd heavy chassis for a limited series event where the classes contain caterham 620R and equivalent cars. Now it's being sold for a fraction of the money invested, and will still struggle to find a competitive series/home. People suggested that's a bit of a lost cause that's all.
This!!!

I fail to see what some are struggling to understand… biglaugh We are absolutely not hating on it…


SimonTheSailor

13,017 posts

258 months

Tuesday 6th June 2023
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LucyP said:
I think there is some "poetic licence" in this article.

When did he last race in Time Attack, and did he ever win his class or even come in the top 3? I can't find any reference to him after 2018, and the car he used in 2017 was a different Clio.

Was he in the Clubman or Clubman + category?

If he didn't win or have a podium place, then is he or the car or both the problem?

Therefore, is what he is selling any good? Is it even current or was it last raced 5 years ago?
Ooh.....bhy argue;)

CedricN

855 posts

175 months

Wednesday 7th June 2023
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200Plus Club said:
In terms of a build for a specific motorsport event. ie 580bhp in a fwd heavy chassis for a limited series event where the classes contain caterham 620R and equivalent cars. Now it's being sold for a fraction of the money invested, and will still struggle to find a competitive series/home. People suggested that's a bit of a lost cause that's all.
There are plenty and plenty of race cars that are built and raced every weekend that arent built to be the most competitive and win. They are built like someone wanted to, because they thought it was fun to build in a specific way or on a specific car model. Sure it isnt making it the easiest car in the world to sell, but the builder was probably plenty aware of that.