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PH! What the heck is going on?
I've driven past two fuel garages today where diesel is being sold CHEAPER than petrol.
Now, I'm not the oldest PH'er, but I'm 41 next month and held a license for the last 23 and a half years and I don't think I have ever seen diesel cheaper than petrol. Seems like only a few months ago I was moaning because the usual 5 to 8p a litre fuel price gap had drifted to 20p as a diesel premium.
I know diesel is often cheaper than petrol in continental Europe but I've never seen it in the UK. What on earth is going on!!
I've driven past two fuel garages today where diesel is being sold CHEAPER than petrol.
Now, I'm not the oldest PH'er, but I'm 41 next month and held a license for the last 23 and a half years and I don't think I have ever seen diesel cheaper than petrol. Seems like only a few months ago I was moaning because the usual 5 to 8p a litre fuel price gap had drifted to 20p as a diesel premium.
I know diesel is often cheaper than petrol in continental Europe but I've never seen it in the UK. What on earth is going on!!
The Competition and Markets Authority’s (CMA) widely publicised move to quiz supermarket bosses about their sky-high diesel prices appears to have prompted significant falls in prices at the pump, the RAC motoring organisation has reported.
After months of campaigning over sky-high pricing of diesel on supermarket forecourts, the RAC says the CMA’s intervention has seen diesel prices cut by more than 7p a litre.
After months of campaigning over sky-high pricing of diesel on supermarket forecourts, the RAC says the CMA’s intervention has seen diesel prices cut by more than 7p a litre.
You must live in one of the reasonable parts of the country. Where I am in cambridgeshire the cheapest diesel is now 142.9 and some garages on major A roads are still at 152.9 but the average for both petrol and diesels seems to now be 145.9
Not sure why we get ripped off and you don't? It's cheaper in Essex, Suffolk, etc but not quite cheap enough to warrant a special journey.
Not sure why we get ripped off and you don't? It's cheaper in Essex, Suffolk, etc but not quite cheap enough to warrant a special journey.
Pica-Pica said:
vikingaero said:
136.7 for Unleaded
132.7 for Diseasal
at the Asda near work. Amazing when there was previously a >+20p differential.
How many times does it need saying, ALL petrol is unleaded. It’s E10 or E5 as far as petrol is concerned. 132.7 for Diseasal
at the Asda near work. Amazing when there was previously a >+20p differential.
It's simply what the forecourt signs display - UNLEADED, DIESEL or LPG.Jader1973 said:
Isn’t diesel a by product of making petrol?
So it should always be cheaper because you have to make it.
I did wonder about this - AIUI diesel isn't a 'by product' of petrol as such but the amount of both petrol and diesel you can get from a unit amount of crude oil is pretty much fixed. Thus if there are far fewer diesel cars being sold vs petrol you might think the (eventual) relative reduction in demand for diesel would lead to lower prices. Of course the fact that virtually all heavy machinery is still going to run on diesel and will do so for a long time yet will greatly dampen such an effect, but it's still got to be there. So it should always be cheaper because you have to make it.
What surprised me was how for the couple of years when diesel was a fair bit more expensive than petrol you saw this being given as a key reason for preferring petrol over diesel; like people had just forgotten the preceding 30-odd years when they cost pretty much the same.
leef44 said:
Yes, as an apportionment of cost allocation in the refinery process, diesel is cheaper than petrol as a by-product.
It was when higher taxes were added to diesel that it started becoming more expensive at the forecourt.
When was that?It was when higher taxes were added to diesel that it started becoming more expensive at the forecourt.
These are the historical tax rates, it looks to me like the duty on diesel and petrol has been the same since '94.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hydrocarb...
vikingaero said:
Pica-Pica said:
vikingaero said:
136.7 for Unleaded
132.7 for Diseasal
at the Asda near work. Amazing when there was previously a >+20p differential.
How many times does it need saying, ALL petrol is unleaded. It’s E10 or E5 as far as petrol is concerned. 132.7 for Diseasal
at the Asda near work. Amazing when there was previously a >+20p differential.
It's simply what the forecourt signs display - UNLEADED, DIESEL or LPG.This is PH, precision counts, and ‘unleaded’ is meaningless for fuel station use.
vikingaero said:
Pica-Pica said:
vikingaero said:
136.7 for Unleaded
132.7 for Diseasal
at the Asda near work. Amazing when there was previously a >+20p differential.
How many times does it need saying, ALL petrol is unleaded. It’s E10 or E5 as far as petrol is concerned. 132.7 for Diseasal
at the Asda near work. Amazing when there was previously a >+20p differential.
It's simply what the forecourt signs display - UNLEADED, DIESEL or LPG.Pica-Pica said:
vikingaero said:
136.7 for Unleaded
132.7 for Diseasal
at the Asda near work. Amazing when there was previously a >+20p differential.
How many times does it need saying, ALL petrol is unleaded. It’s E10 or E5 as far as petrol is concerned. 132.7 for Diseasal
at the Asda near work. Amazing when there was previously a >+20p differential.
Hopefully this helps us all out too. Hauliers should be pleased.
Pica-Pica said:
How many times does it need saying, ALL petrol is unleaded. It’s E10 or E5 as far as petrol is concerned.
It didn't need saying at all. It's called unleaded, that's why people call it that. The clue's in the name. By your own pedantry, should we differentiate between supermarket and premium diesel when we talk about them?Edited by Heaveho on Friday 9th June 16:22
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