RE: It's here - go-faster goodness for PH Project car
RE: It's here - go-faster goodness for PH Project car
Sunday 18th June 2023

It's here! Go-faster goodness for PH Project car

Can we claw back the gap to our Golf R rival with new brakes, coilovers and tyres? | Promoted


The time has come. Having put our Mk5 Volkswagen Golf GTI through its paces up Prescott Hillclimb and around Curborough Sprint Course in stock form, we’re finally ready to start turning PH Project Car into the track weapon capable of outrunning a Mk8 Golf R 20 Years it was born to be. Well, that’s the hope anyway.

That of course means taking our original (lacklustre sports exhaust aside) Golf GTI to Pip Simcoe of BRS Automotive – aka PH Project Car HQ – as we get the car ready for the first round of mods. Given Curborough’s tight and technical nature, our initial focus will be on improving mechanical grip. New coilovers should help stop the GTI from wallowing in the corners, while stickier tyres should transform corner turn-in and traction. They should have a noticeable impact on braking performance, too, though we also plan on upgrading the front calipers, discs and pads – especially as the GTI developed a brake binding issue after our initial track runs.

If you’re familiar with the series, you’ll know that we’re only using parts and accessories found on eBay and we’re working to a budget of £10,000 – including the car. Thankfully, ticking off all the items on our shopping list was a piece of cake thanks to eBay’s My Garage feature. All you need to do is plug in your car’s number plate, allowing eBay to filter parts that are compatible with your car. You can either use the search box to find the parts you’re looking for, or use one of the preset filters to look for specific components such as brakes, body panels or wheels. Knowing that the parts we order will bolt right on to the car not only brings peace of mind, but also means we can crack on with the build without delay.

So, here’s what we’ve gone for: the coilovers come from BC Racing’s BR Series, which are built with track work in mind yet should also prove usable for everyday driving. (Remember, we’re giving PH Project Car away at the end of the series, and we’d like the eventual winner to be able to use it on the road without doing their back in.) For the tyres, we’ve gone for Nankang NS2Rs. These semi-slicks are our secret weapon, heating up quickly out on track and providing good performance right until you’re down to the canvas. Finally, the brakes. The calipers come from an Audi S3 – though eagled-eyed viewers will notice that someone’s slapped GTI stickers on them - and we’ve paired them up with new discs and pads to up the stopping power further.

All that was left was for Pip to get them bolted onto the GTI. One of my fears going into the build was that our GTI was such a minter that it wouldn’t look any different come the end of the project. However, the coilovers have slashed about 50mm from the GTI’s ride height, so it’s looking very racy indeed. Overall, though, it’s a proper sleeper. Tiny wheel-to-arch clearance, beefy brakes and a distinct lack of grooves on the tyres aside, it looks completely stock.

So, how much faster will the GTI go around Curborough? Can we claw back a decent chunk of the 5.5-second deficit to the Golf R 20 Years? You’ll need to watch the vid to find out. What I will say, however, is that beating a modern, all-wheel-drive super hatch no longer feels like mission impossible...


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Titan2

Original Poster:

169 posts

126 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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While I haven't watched the video yet, I'd say those mods will make a really
nice change to the car and how it feels and handles now.

griffdude

1,930 posts

278 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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I’ve got BC DSs on my track car & really rate them, along with Ferodo pads (albeit with 4 pot calipers & alloy belled discs). Nankangs not so good though, they fared pretty badly in a recent track tyre test.

NGK210

5,046 posts

175 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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Cool series.
A stiffer rear ARB would make the front-end more pointy.
It’s a shame Ebay didn’t have any OEM front calipers from a Mk1 Leon Cupra R, which are mighty twin-pot Brembos designed for 18in wheels.

nismo48

7,127 posts

237 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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Looking good on the new suspension setup..
Regarding the calipers, why not Cupra R Brembos?
They look the part and probably cope with track use better..
Perhaps not within budget?
Nice project regardless smile

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

290 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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I wouldn't warm my hands over a pile of burning Nankangs, never mind put them on my car. Without doubt the worst tyres that I've ever had the misfortune to have acquired with a s/h car I bought. Horrid horrid horrid things.

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

290 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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Quick dirty and cheap temporary bodge for the slidey seat problem; cable tie a sheet of the rubber mesh used to stop rugs sliding about on wooden floors onto the seat. It ain't pretty, but it works.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/Rug-Carpet-Accessories/36...

Zenzz

149 posts

135 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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6 comments after a day as lead article says it all. Yawn.

unsprung

6,054 posts

154 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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Zumbruk said:
I wouldn't warm my hands over a pile of burning Nankangs,
biglaugh


Zumbruk

7,848 posts

290 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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Zumbruk said:
Quick dirty and cheap temporary bodge for the slidey seat problem; cable tie a sheet of the rubber mesh used to stop rugs sliding about on wooden floors onto the seat. It ain't pretty, but it works.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/Rug-Carpet-Accessories/36...
A seat belt lock of some kind helps, too.

CedricN

855 posts

175 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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CG lock was great to solve the seating issue with std seats, maybe find a 2nd hand one, very cheap compared to a new seat. Locka the bum down pretty well in the seat.

I dont get the comment here about the tyres, ns2r are commonly used for this type of use. But i would probably have bought some faster tyres since lap time is the thing here.

Patrick1964

746 posts

261 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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I stopped watching when the presenter described the pads as being from Ferdo. FFS. I hope I don’t win the car.

edoverheels

617 posts

135 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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I have had Nankang NS2rs in the past and they were ok. Have then had 888s and now on Direzzas. Going back to Nankangs next but going to try AR1s and hope it doesn’t rain

edoverheels

617 posts

135 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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I’m enjoying this and happy to see what they do next
Wind up the boost and 400bhp for a single qualifying lap?

sideways man

1,673 posts

167 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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edoverheels said:
Wind up the boost and 400bhp for a single qualifying lap?
That’s the only way they’ll make the needed 2.5 seconds over what is a very short lap.
Or put the car on a huge weight loss program

Edited by sideways man on Saturday 17th June 20:41

helix402

7,913 posts

212 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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I’m not sure cheap coil overs and worn out second hand discs will bring the huge transformation expected. Unless I’ve missed something and the old discs in the picture were the originals.

Alpenus

224 posts

60 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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Adding some lightness would help more than all that bolt on tut, I think that’s the forum rules we must obey

Driver101

14,451 posts

151 months

Saturday 17th June 2023
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helix402 said:
I’m not sure cheap coil overs and worn out second hand discs will bring the huge transformation expected. Unless I’ve missed something and the old discs in the picture were the originals.
They changed the discs and pads. The calipers still looked in poor condition and had twice been painted. The pronunciation of Ferodo sounded odd.

Tyres, coilovers, calipers, discs and pads all for under £2k. No accounting for the cost of having the parts fitted.

A better track was needed to prove the car.


Jon_S_Rally

4,469 posts

118 months

Sunday 18th June 2023
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A decent improvement, but I don't think they'll beat the R ultimately. Can't see any power increases giving them that much time. Still, should be a fun car once it's done.

Zenzz said:
6 comments after a day as lead article says it all. Yawn.
And yet you still felt the need to comment.

helix402 said:
I’m not sure cheap coil overs and worn out second hand discs will bring the huge transformation expected. Unless I’ve missed something and the old discs in the picture were the originals.
They replaced the discs. The ones pictured came with the calipers.

SpadeBrigade

861 posts

169 months

Sunday 18th June 2023
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Zumbruk said:
I wouldn't warm my hands over a pile of burning Nankangs, never mind put them on my car.
Bwahah, one of my favourite ever PH lines this, bravo!

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

290 months

Sunday 18th June 2023
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SpadeBrigade said:
Zumbruk said:
I wouldn't warm my hands over a pile of burning Nankangs, never mind put them on my car.
Bwahah, one of my favourite ever PH lines this, bravo!
bow