RE: Hyundai Ioniq 5 N on the cusp of global debut
RE: Hyundai Ioniq 5 N on the cusp of global debut
Friday 23rd June 2023

Hyundai Ioniq 5 N on the cusp of global debut

Nurburgring testing almost complete, final teaser is live - not long to wait now...


There’s been considerable cause for enthusiasm about the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N for a while now. The base car is a great EV, all the N hot hatches have been brilliant, and features like Drift Mode suggest a real enthusiast focus for N’s first electric car. With a Festival of Speed reveal now just a few weeks away and the Nurburgring test programme almost complete, Hyundai has confirmed additional N details. And it’s sounding really, really good.

Hopefully, that can be taken literally, too, thanks to new features N e-Shift and N Active Sound +. ‘Many performance enthusiasts’, reads the press release, ‘have been outspoken about their dissatisfaction with the lack of driver feedback behind the wheel of many EVs’. Hear, hear. Hence the inclusion of the new tech; N Active Sound + is made up of 10 speakers (eight in the car, two outside) and offers three different soundscapes for the Ioniq. Evolution is an ‘N signature electronic sound’, said to be inspired by cars like the RN22e; Supersonic will give ‘the drivers the sensation of a fighter pilot’. Right.

So far, so EV. But Ignition is arguably the most interesting of the trio, as it aims to emulate the 2.0-litre petrol engine of the i30 N, complete with pops and bangs. The N e-Shift will help with the tribute act here, mimicking the behaviour of the eight-speed DCT by controlling motor torque output and adding a jolt to simulate a gearchange. Maybe it’ll be rubbish, but Hyundai has got pretty good at delivering a proper noise and sense of occasion to its ICE hot hatches, so let’s see. The manufacturer says that its aim ‘is to allow drivers to seamlessly utilize driving techniques honed with ICE cars for a more immersive driving experience that feels closer to ICEs than EVs.’ Which sounds right up our street.

There’s more, too. Hyundai makes much of ‘N’ standing for Nurburgring as well as Namyang; to that end, there’s more tech for the Ioniq 5 to make it genuinely capable on a circuit. N Battery Preconditioning and N Race are what you need to know about, working with improved cooling hardware ‘to maximise performance or longevity’ on circuit. And yet more buttons to press, but it does sound interesting. The preconditioning is split between a Drag and Track setting; the former sets the battery temp optimally for maximum power straightaway, while Track aims to keep things cool for a number of consecutive laps. N Race - keeping up?! - then exists for ‘more direct control on the car’s energy usage’. It can be configured to either Sprint or Endurance, which kind of do as they say on the tin: full power whenever you need it is available with Sprint, while Endurance ‘maximises Ioniq 5 N’s range on the racetrack’ by limiting sudden power spikes, which in turn means temperatures don’t build up so fast.

Braking is taken care of by huge 400mm discs, aided by 0.6g of regen - said to be an industry-leading figure. Just as importantly, Hyundai reckons that the blending between regular and regen braking is ‘seamless’, which creates ‘an imperceptible transition to the driver’. Brake pedal feel is key to an enjoyable track driving experience, so this is encouraging.

The Ioniq 5 N has just completed its 10,000km durability test on the Nordschleife, which feels like a pretty momentous achievement, although Hyundai insists it is now embarking on another ‘to push Ioniq 5 N’s limits’. What a sight at a tourist day this could make - it certainly seems that Hyundai is keen, as with every other N hot hatch, for owners to use their car on a track. The global reveal for the Ioniq has been confirmed as July 13th at the Festival of Speed, when we can expect full details and technical specs. If this Ioniq 5 is as impressive as Hyundai’s ICE hot hatches, enthusiasts really will an electric car to be excited about.  


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Sion111R

Original Poster:

422 posts

122 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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Great to see Hyundai striving to make EV’s exciting.

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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Looks interesting, just wish the Ioniq 5 wasn't so big. Needs to be put through the photocopier and made 25% smaller.

Darnoc95

516 posts

60 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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Great to see it finally arriving however seems a bit late to the party imo. The standard Ionic 5 was launched over two & half years ago. Its sister car the Kia EV6 18 months ago. The performance EV6 GT 575BHP was launched 4 months ago a mere 14 months after initial launch. What they been playing at?

Pflanzgarten

7,628 posts

55 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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ajap1979 said:
Looks interesting, just wish the Ioniq 5 wasn't so big. Needs to be put through the photocopier and made 25% smaller.
This. And for all the wonderful looks it's an epically dull thing to drive.

Debaser

8,535 posts

291 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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I hope they succeed in making a BEV fun to drive, it seems to be something a lot of manufacturers struggle with.

knebworth01

207 posts

150 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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Looks great, i'd genuinely brave public charging and chop in the Model S for this!
The whole artificial sound thing has got me thinking.
I've always rubbished it in an ICE car as its trying to make a certain engine sound like something it isn't, however in an EV it sort of makes sense.
There is no noise in a BEV per se, just a whiney noise.
If driving is all about sensation (that's what we're told by the likes of various motoring mags etc), then noise is one of our senses, so this tech satisfies that sense?
Even better if it sounds like warp drive on the Millennium Falcon!

Can't wait to see it.

fantheman80

2,651 posts

79 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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Wait, we could go back to the 90's and 00's here - instead of yoof decatting, getting a huge exhaust and an artillery fire pop and bang map on their golf r's and Rs3, they will be back to Apline, infinity audio and even halfords to get the external speakers upgraded, an amp and bass tube so the fake pops and bangs shatter bus stop glass on their ev's...! Circle of life...

ColinM

194 posts

285 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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Really hate all the fake "e-Shift" and "Active Sound" stuff. They should focus on making the best electric car possible and not faking a petrol car / jet fighter rolleyes

Orchardab

778 posts

156 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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Saw this at The Ring on Tuesday.
Spicy.

Bobupndown

2,975 posts

73 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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Looks more VW Golf than the current VW Golf.

Tye Green

1,003 posts

139 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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having synthetic noise to emulate an ICE car in an EV is a fking stupid idea. pal has a Taycan which has this and after a week of demonstrating the noise to everyone who'd listen he realised its stupidity and after another week he worked out how to cancel it.


Motormatt

508 posts

248 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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ColinM said:
Really hate all the fake "e-Shift" and "Active Sound" stuff. They should focus on making the best electric car possible and not faking a petrol car / jet fighter rolleyes
I'm all for making EVs more exciting to drive with improved mechanical interaction such as better brake feel, but I'm totally with you on the fake stuff, surely mimicking gear changes by pulsing the torque output as it accelerates will actually make it slower?

Personal choice but I don't understand why anyone would want to drive about in an EV whilst listening to a recording of an IC engine. If I must have enhanced sound in an EV to make it more engaging then just amplify the motor & transmission noise it already makes, seems a more authentic solution.


Limpet

6,626 posts

191 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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Nice to see a manufacturer designing an EV focused on delivering a rewarding driving experience rather than just the easy powerful EV win of daft straight-line acceleration.

Having owned a petrol N car, I can confirm that Hyundai certainly has the ability to make an enjoyable, well sorted and engaging drivers' car, so I wouldn't bet against this being more of the same.

Albert Biermann has of course retired now, but still remains in a technical advisory capacity. I hope his influence is as strongly felt as in these as it is the early N cars.

Mike1990

1,151 posts

161 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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Size compared to a GTi Clubsport S.

Is it being classed as a hot hatch or an SUV? What actually is it? laugh

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|https://thumbsnap.com/Uyfwwy2t[/url]

sidesauce

2,967 posts

248 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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Tye Green said:
having synthetic noise to emulate an ICE car in an EV is a fking stupid idea. pal has a Taycan which has this and after a week of demonstrating the noise to everyone who'd listen he realised its stupidity and after another week he worked out how to cancel it.
So for visually impaired people out in public, for example, a BEV making any sort of noise is a fking stupid idea to you? Got it.

fantheman80

2,651 posts

79 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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Mike1990 said:
Size compared to a GTi Clubsport S.

Is it being classed as a hot hatch or an SUV? What actually is it? laugh

[url]
|https://thumbsnap.com/Uyfwwy2t[/url]
ha we had this last time - its defo not a hot hatch, i see it as hot SUV

At least no one has said it looks like an integrale yet nono

stevemcs

10,340 posts

123 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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Mike1990 said:
Size compared to a GTi Clubsport S.

Is it being classed as a hot hatch or an SUV? What actually is it? laugh

[url]
|https://thumbsnap.com/Uyfwwy2t[/url]
That sums up why new cars/EV's are pointless, why do they need to be that big. Surely the benefit of an EV is lack of engine and you could make them smaller. Small and lightweight is what everyone should be pushing for, or at least something that should fit in a parking space.

SkodaIan

1,020 posts

115 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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sidesauce said:
So for visually impaired people out in public, for example, a BEV making any sort of noise is a fking stupid idea to you? Got it.
BEVs and hybrids have already been required to make artificial external noise when travelling slowly for a few years now - my hybrid makes a sort of star trek themed howling noise when travelling below 20mph.

The noise being referred to here will only be available inside the car, unless you drive with the windows open.

Artificial engine noises on a car with no engine all seems rather childish to me. If I wanted engine noises in an electric car, I just need to give my 3 year old nephew a lift. He's growing up on a farm and is a specialist in making mechanical noises.
I'm sure he'd happily shout "Bruuum, brrrrruuummmm, bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuum, vrum, Pop, Bang, Bang, brummmm, brrrruuuuum" for me from the back seat whilst I took a Renault Zoe around the Nurburgring.....
His chainsaw impression would also be quite good to simulate accidentally finding the wrong gear on a downshift and lunching the gearbox too.


PistonTim

747 posts

169 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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stevemcs said:
Mike1990 said:
Size compared to a GTi Clubsport S.

Is it being classed as a hot hatch or an SUV? What actually is it? laugh

[url]
|https://thumbsnap.com/Uyfwwy2t[/url]
That sums up why new cars/EV's are pointless, why do they need to be that big. Surely the benefit of an EV is lack of engine and you could make them smaller. Small and lightweight is what everyone should be pushing for, or at least something that should fit in a parking space.
You still have to find space for motors (front and back) and the batteries plus all the modern safety equipment.

Also people have people and things to transport not everyone can make do with something the size of an MX5.

Nomme de Plum

7,050 posts

46 months

Friday 23rd June 2023
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ColinM said:
Really hate all the fake "e-Shift" and "Active Sound" stuff. They should focus on making the best electric car possible and not faking a petrol car / jet fighter rolleyes
I have to agree with you here.

I said in another thread that manufactures would be able to replicate all the idyosyncrasies that ICE's have. For what purpose? I want an EV to be better and once the weight issue is overcome they will be. It's a bit like playing high res music on a really good HiFi and replicating the noise associated with even the best record decks.