RE: Aston announces all-new EV platform, Lucid tie-up
RE: Aston announces all-new EV platform, Lucid tie-up
Monday 26th June 2023

Aston announces all-new EV platform, Lucid tie-up

Gaydon details its attempts to go from hero to zero emissions by 2030 - with a little help from Lucid


Aston Martin will partner with the Lucid Group as it finally ‘hits the accelerator’ on its electrification strategy. The Californian-based startup – led by British engineer, Peter Rawlinson – has entered into a supply agreement with Gaydon that includes access to its ‘current and future powertrain and battery technology’. 

That technology will be used to power an all-new, in-house-designed BEV platform. Aston confirmed that the forthcoming modular architecture will form the basis of the firm’s entire future EV range, said to include everything from ‘hypercars to sports cars, GTs and SUVs’. The first of these is targeted for launch in 2025 as the manufacturer plans to fully electrify its ‘core range’ by 2030. 

Lawrence Stroll, Executive Chairman of Aston Martin, explained: “The supply agreement with Lucid is a game changer for the future EV-led growth of Aston Martin. Based on our strategy and requirements, we selected Lucid, gaining access to the industry’s highest performance and most innovative technologies for our future BEV products.

“We will not only leverage the significant investments Lucid has made to develop its world-class technologies, but will also further enhance and differentiate the drive experience through the work Roberto Fedeli and his teams are already developing, aligned with our ultra-luxury, high-performance strategy.”

Lucid itself only produces the Air, a saloon not yet available in Europe, though it plans to launch an SUV called ‘Gravity’ in the US next year. Nevertheless, its first model received rave reviews and was notable for both its long range - up to 516 miles, according to the EPA - and impressively large power outputs. In tri-motor format, the Air comes with 1,200hp, and even the dual-motor version offers 1,050hp. 

Evidently, it is this level of powertrain technology - Aston’s CTO calls it ‘industry-leading’ - which appeals to Gaydon, as it seeks to hone a future model lineup ‘honed to deliver the optimum blend of scintillating class-leading performance and brilliantly resolved vehicle dynamics’. Unsurprisingly, the brand points to the ‘precise control of power delivery to each wheel’ as a gamechanger for its engineers, and one that will help it provide a ‘distinct dynamic fingerprint’ for each of its future BEV models. 

Of course, if that thought leaves you cold, Aston also confirmed that its current relationship with Mercedes - the one that provides rousing internal combustion engines alongside all manner of electronic systems - will continue for the foreseeable future. On the basis that Gaydon plans to offer an ‘electrified powertrain option’ to every model line by 2026, you can be sure that its hybrid technology will feature soon enough. 

Aston says its electrification strategy makes up a pillar of the broader ‘Racing. Green’ roadmap, which is funded by a £2bn investment. Its success depends upon numerous other partnerships, with the support of Brembo (in the form of new brake-by-wire technology) and Pirelli (via its sensor-fed ‘Cyber Tyre’) noted as it attempts to ‘raise the bar’ for future performance and efficiency. 

Thanks to its burgeoning relationship with Geely - which recently increased its shareholding to 17 per cent - Aston also has access to its components, though evidently it has decided that Lucid offers a more compelling solution to the immediate challenge of developing its first full EV. Its first plug-in hybrid, the mid-engined Valhalla, is finally due for launch next year. 


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Julian Scott

Original Poster:

4,308 posts

54 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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I'm sure this won't be welcome news for many on here, but it is great news.

The move to EV needs an industry leader too make it work.

steveb8189

516 posts

221 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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Partnership with Lucid sounds a good match to me

Yeah, no V8 or V12 noise but if the other option is just to stop making cars and make everyone redundant I know which option I'd choose.

pquinn

7,167 posts

76 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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Sounds like a brave/expensive strategy. Not that they have too much choice to do something for EVs.

Lucid have some good stuff but their volumes are still tiny and you wouldn't want to bet too much on their medium term survival.

And developing your own new BEV modular platform isn't a cheap game either, especially when you're likely stuck at small volumes and you're trying to make it fit all sorts of products.


Bladedancer

1,458 posts

226 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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Julian Scott said:
I'm sure this won't be welcome news for many on here, but it is great news.

The move to EV needs an industry leader too make it work.
Aston is an industry leader?

Motoring12345

724 posts

80 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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Papa Stroll, back at it with another deal!

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,764 posts

128 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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pquinn said:
Sounds like a brave/expensive strategy. Not that they have too much choice to do something for EVs.

Lucid have some good stuff but their volumes are still tiny and you wouldn't want to bet too much on their medium term survival.

And developing your own new BEV modular platform isn't a cheap game either, especially when you're likely stuck at small volumes and you're trying to make it fit all sorts of products.
Yup - their share price has almost fallen as much as Aston's have. Products and tech look great but they have production problems.

Quite a big gamble for Aston. Odd that they didn't use Geely ?

Antj

1,149 posts

230 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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very clever, i know it winds so many purists up, but i love the way the new Aston knows where its strengths and weaknesses and buys the tech in instead of trying to create their own. On a lesser scale that's kind of what killed TVR when they stuck to making their own engines instead of just buying in


howardhughes

1,416 posts

234 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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PistonHeads, how long is it going to be before you change your name to Currys?

smilo996

3,856 posts

200 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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Aston is just another British flag brand.
Merc & Lucid providing all the Important internals and Geely clearly stumping up more investment.
When Stroll ralises his son will never be an F1 champion (if not already), he will sell and Geely will be there to take advantage.
Moving to EV is the right idea as well as keeping some ICE in the line up.

abzmike

12,051 posts

136 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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howardhughes said:
PistonHeads, how long is it going to be before you change your name to Currys?
It’s a piece of industry news - would you prefer PH ignored it?

Julian Scott

Original Poster:

4,308 posts

54 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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Bladedancer said:
Julian Scott said:
I'm sure this won't be welcome news for many on here, but it is great news.

The move to EV needs an industry leader too make it work.
Aston is an industry leader?
No. Aston are the ones using the EV tech, not providing it.

Julian Scott

Original Poster:

4,308 posts

54 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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howardhughes said:
PistonHeads, how long is it going to be before you change your name to Currys?
Oh, Oh, Oh, I get it. Currys....electrical retailer. You're making the link between EVs and electrical items you buy for the house! Brilliant, what a fantastic and witty response, and SO original.

Can I vote for you to be the poster of the year?

sidesauce

2,967 posts

248 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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Julian Scott said:
howardhughes said:
PistonHeads, how long is it going to be before you change your name to Currys?
Oh, Oh, Oh, I get it. Currys....electrical retailer. You're making the link between EVs and electrical items you buy for the house! Brilliant, what a fantastic and witty response, and SO original.

Can I vote for you to be the poster of the year?
I absolutely love reading these "old farts screaming at the sky" posts - I love it because there's not a damn thing they can do to change it. Let them moan and whine, wail and gnash their teeth; the more the merrier as far as I'm concerned.

EV tech:-


corcoran

691 posts

304 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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Lucid as a partner is a massively smart move. Probably the smartest thing Aston have done in the last ten years.

fantheman80

2,651 posts

79 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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sidesauce said:
Julian Scott said:
howardhughes said:
PistonHeads, how long is it going to be before you change your name to Currys?
Oh, Oh, Oh, I get it. Currys....electrical retailer. You're making the link between EVs and electrical items you buy for the house! Brilliant, what a fantastic and witty response, and SO original.

Can I vote for you to be the poster of the year?
I absolutely love reading these "old farts screaming at the sky" posts - I love it because there's not a damn thing they can do to change it. Let them moan and whine, wail and gnash their teeth; the more the merrier as far as I'm concerned.

EV tech:-

why do you leccy fans get so defensive though? Its an ICE car forum, born out of stonking V8s, why do you go extra long when someone might not be quite ready for the 'inevitable' and posts their personal view?

Black S2K

1,919 posts

279 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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fantheman80 said:
sidesauce said:
Julian Scott said:
howardhughes said:
PistonHeads, how long is it going to be before you change your name to Currys?
Oh, Oh, Oh, I get it. Currys....electrical retailer. You're making the link between EVs and electrical items you buy for the house! Brilliant, what a fantastic and witty response, and SO original.

Can I vote for you to be the poster of the year?
I absolutely love reading these "old farts screaming at the sky" posts - I love it because there's not a damn thing they can do to change it. Let them moan and whine, wail and gnash their teeth; the more the merrier as far as I'm concerned.

EV tech:-

why do you leccy fans get so defensive though? Its an ICE car forum, born out of stonking V8s, why do you go extra long when someone might not be quite ready for the 'inevitable' and posts their personal view?
Because when one supports The New Thing, it's usually built on shaky ground and not sound physics.

Electric Fans support the Current Thing until they become grounded. Therefore their patience is dead short and they're easily inflamed.



David87

7,032 posts

242 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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There's no doubting Lucid's know-how or tech... the Air is pretty awesome, with the Sapphire in particular being about the fastest thing out there. That said, they might be the perfect fit for Aston Martin in a very bad way - Aston with their long history of financial instability and Lucid with their current issues: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/lucid-earnings-...
Hopefully it all works out though as these cars could be brilliant.

big_rob_sydney

3,671 posts

224 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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fantheman80 said:
sidesauce said:
Julian Scott said:
howardhughes said:
PistonHeads, how long is it going to be before you change your name to Currys?
Oh, Oh, Oh, I get it. Currys....electrical retailer. You're making the link between EVs and electrical items you buy for the house! Brilliant, what a fantastic and witty response, and SO original.

Can I vote for you to be the poster of the year?
I absolutely love reading these "old farts screaming at the sky" posts - I love it because there's not a damn thing they can do to change it. Let them moan and whine, wail and gnash their teeth; the more the merrier as far as I'm concerned.

EV tech:-

why do you leccy fans get so defensive though? Its an ICE car forum, born out of stonking V8s, why do you go extra long when someone might not be quite ready for the 'inevitable' and posts their personal view?
Defensive? Where on earth do you get THAT from? The fact is that the EV sales figures are only going one way, and that's up. There is absolutely nothing to be defensive about, when you're in the camp that is the future playing out in real time.

If you want to bury your head in the sand, go for it.

fantheman80

2,651 posts

79 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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big_rob_sydney said:
Defensive? Where on earth do you get THAT from? The fact is that the EV sales figures are only going one way, and that's up. There is absolutely nothing to be defensive about, when you're in the camp that is the future playing out in real time.

If you want to bury your head in the sand, go for it.
So Julian's reply to the curry's comment wasn't like a 5 year old chucking their toys out? THATS defensive

There will be plenty of ICE cars to see me out and I am in my 40's so I couldn't give a monkeys either way

WantSagaris

236 posts

77 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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If only Aston already had an investor that has scaled EVs.