RE: Last combustion-only M car vs the very best one
RE: Last combustion-only M car vs the very best one
Friday 30th June 2023

Last combustion-only M car vs the very best one

What's changed in 20 years - and why it matters...


Yes, yes, this isn’t a fair fight. It’s 2 Series versus 3 Series, it’s a £60k car from 2003 against a £60k now, and the very first iteration of an M car against the ultimate evolution. But hey, when you get access to a CSL and an M2 at the same time, you make something happen. We’ll do 1M and M2 at some point in the future, for sure. There’s a link between E46 and G87, too, as end-of-era cars. The CSL was the ultimate naturally aspirated, straight-six M car, the configuration most famously associated with the Motorsport BMWs; 30 years of them reached their zenith with the grey car. And now we have the final non-hybrid M car, with everything from now on to be electrified; not the final version (at least, hopefully not), but a pretty significant milestone nonetheless.

To drive an M3 CSL has been a dream for 20 years now. On the brink of adolescence and with some idea of what cars I really, really liked, 2003/4 was an unforgettable period. It only seems more special now. As well as the coupes (350Z, RX-8, Monaro) and the hot hatches (Focus RS, 147 GTA, Clio V6 255) and many, many more were the road racers: cars like the 360 Challenge Stradale, first 911 GT3 RS and, of course, the CSL. A lighter, louder, more powerful, more exotic version of one of my favourite cars, I was obsessed. How obsessed? I had induction noise recorded off a Clarkson DVD to wake me up for a paper round. And you thought you were a weird kid…

So there was some excitement. And perhaps because of that, perhaps because of the cult status, and perhaps because of the values now attached, driving an E46 CSL was a mixed bag. Of course, the engine is utterly sensational, a reminder of just how intoxicating a great atmospheric power unit can be; 360hp still feels fast 20 years later, and the throttle response is out of this world. The sound will live with me for a very long time indeed. It didn’t take long to be reminded why the S54 is so universally adored.

Plenty more of it is fairly glorious, too. Of course, the BMW balance is spot on, aided in this instance by compact dimensions and sensibly sized tyres (including a rear Michelin narrower than the front M2 rubber). It’s confidence-inspiring from the off, which is always nice when somebody has lent you their precious old car. And, of course, the CSL looks glorious: the wheels, the roof, the bootlid, that gaping intake hole in the front bumper still complement the E46 M3 absolutely perfectly. There’s never going to be a day that the CSL doesn’t make you stop and stare. Especially when the alternative is a new M2. Even as a fan of the 2 Series, the old stager doesn’t show it in a favourable light.

But, objectively speaking (and in the harsh light of 20 years later) the CSL is some way short of perfect. Adult me was a little disappointed; 13-year-old Matt was devastated. The SMG really hasn’t aged very well at all - it takes all of three auto gearchanges to understand why these are being swapped out for a manual, seemingly in their droves. You can get around its flaws, but what a shame this couldn’t have come from the DCT era. A paddleshift does play well to its track-focused nature, but a gearbox that wasn’t amazing in 2003 really can’t cut it nowadays. Pity. How a car of this nature was launched with such woeful brakes is a mystery, too. And while we’re used to raving about old car steering, I’m not sure the rack of the CSL - quicker than a standard E46 - is any great paragon. It’s a lovely old M3, I think, but would struggle to part with what’s now being asked for them. At £50k or so they were intriguing modern classics; now they feel like an awful lot of money for the experience on offer. Sorry guys.

The fact that the M2 still felt exciting after the CSL bodes very well, I think, for the future of what seems to be a divisive model. Inevitably it’s a less delicate driving experience than the M3, but that could be said about any car against something like its 2003 equivalent. You’re inevitably a little more detached from the action, but there’s still plenty to enjoy here. The immediacy of the front end is a revelation against the old car, and while there’s undoubtedly a lot more purchase, the fact that there’s so much more torque from the S58 means it’s some (long) way from one-dimensional. Even on the standard brakes, it stops brilliantly well. Yes, it’d be nicer if the smallest M car was a bit more compact, and it’d be wonderful if every new BMW could sound like a CSL, but given how broad the new M2’s remit must be I think it’s a really impressive thing.

Moreover, while this wasn’t a conventional twin test, having CSL together with M2 made me a bit more optimistic about the future. No, an end-of-the-line special for this M2 won’t look as pure or sound as wonderful as an E46. And no, it’s not going to be a cheap car, either (but then neither was the CSL). All that being said, the standard G87 is a great base from which to work from; BMW has shown with recent CS models that it can really work some chassis magic, too. A two-seat, 500hp, manual M2 CSL could (and should) be a fitting farewell to purely combustion M cars.


SPECIFICATION | 2023 BMW M2 (G87)

Engine: 2,993cc, twin-turbo, straight six
Transmission: eight-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 460@6,250rpm
Torque (lb ft): 406@2,650-5,870rpm
0-62mph: 4.1secs
Top speed: 155mph (177mph with optional M Driver’s Pack)
Weight: 1,725kg (DIN)
MPG: 29.1
CO2: 220 g/km
Price: £64,890

SPECIFICATION | 2003 BMW M3 CSL (E46)

Engine: 3,246cc 6-cyl
Power (hp): 360@7,900rpm
Torque (lb ft): 273@4,900rpm
0-62mph: 4.9sec
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,385kg
MPG: 23.7
CO2: 287g/km
Price: £58,455 (2004, £100,285 in today's money)

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JAMSXR

Original Poster:

1,845 posts

77 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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Enjoyed the video. I would take the CSL or F87 all day over the new M2. Still, BMW are doing better than Mercedes who seem to have totally lost their way.

Slowlygettingit

945 posts

71 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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If the money was no object it’d still be the CSL. With a manual conversion and the brake upgrades.
Lovely looking and sounding. And guessing real world fast enough.

DSC OFF

211 posts

91 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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Have zero interest in the new M2. Too fat, too ugly, too fast. Could pour over the details of the CSL for hours. Is one worth 80+k, probably not, but we live in a world where an R34 GTR is valued at £200,000, which is even more bonkers

bar1989

6 posts

138 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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I feel Matt is maybe trying to be a little controversial here!

flat6crocer

49 posts

40 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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Would have to agree. The E46 CSL was one of the most disappointing cars I've ever driven. All the primary controls were disappoint. The steering isn't great, lacking heft and feel, nor are the pedals. Where's the firm, precise brake pedal you'd want in a car like this?

Then there's the craptastic SMG box. Fanboys will tell you that anyone who doesn't like it doesn't understand it and can't use it properly. That's nonsense. it's simply crap.

I'm generally not that bothered by outright performance and love a revy NA engine above all else. But the CSL felt thin and a bit gutless, too. The chassis was softer than I was expecting too. Doesn't have the focus and precision you'd expect in the ultimate M car of its era. In short, even with a manual box, I still wouldn't have liked it.

So, yeah, big mismatch between the experience and the legend. And current valuations. But then you can say that about a lot of cars these days.

MoreCarbon

2 posts

40 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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CSL all day.

M2 doesn’t look that bad.


cerb4.5lee

44,898 posts

210 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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bar1989 said:
I feel Matt is maybe trying to be a little controversial here!
I appreciated his honesty about the CSL to be fair, and I prefer the weaknesses of a car to be called out(the gearbox and the brakes for example).

outnumbered

4,878 posts

264 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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Yes, the auto mode is hopeless… nobody who has a clue actually uses it unless in a traffic jam. So generally just think of it as a manual car where you shift with the paddles. It does take some learning to get the best out of the box, if you don’t have the skill or patience to do that, well, sorry!


anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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The new car should feel better than the old car otherwise engineers need to get a new job, however the looks are a different matter, i would take the new M2 internals and stick that lovely looking CSL on top and bingo......best of both worlds.

Some times design are brilliant and lets face it the E46 is pretty much perfect in proportions in my eyes, i dont understand why BMW just dont take that and bring out a modern version, i fancy it would sell pretty well and we wouldn't have to squint and battle with some of the "New Lookers"

Both great cars in different ways, wouldn't say no to either !

CRA1G

7,247 posts

225 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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Very interesting to read,I don't have the CSL but do have a E46 M3 Manual and will soon be ready to take delivery of the New M2 Manual along with my other little ///M collection, so it will be interesting to do some back to back driving...driving

Twinair

1,038 posts

172 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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I thought the new M2 would be pretty good. Putting the M3/M4 engine in - it would have been hard to bugger it up tbh. I know from my now gone M4 Comp. I drove my GT4 last night - and honestly if you want ‘analogue’ feel, a bit like the old CSL - but with modern tech - the GT4 would be the way to go. I’ve often said I am a serial car buyer - and that’s true, if the ‘full’ or final fat M2 goes ‘plus 500 brake’ and does a good job of reducing mass, that could be smthg that tempts me away from my GT4. But it would have to be 11/10’ths good. The truth is though, that when you drive heavier cars and then drive lighter cars, the mass matters. I’ve said many times the M4 Comp X I had was capable of defying the laws of physics (not literally) but there was no hiding the mass - ultimately. When I took it up Prescott it was obvs. And having the GT4 run up there, less mass makes up for a lot - even when comparably down on power. All good choices though in reality.

fantheman80

2,651 posts

79 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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JAMSXR said:
Enjoyed the video. I would take the CSL or F87 all day over the new M2. Still, BMW are doing better than Mercedes who seem to have totally lost their way.
Do you mean Mercs engines and powertrains? U cant mean the styling surely which is an armani suit vs BMWs Aldi's trackie bottoms

9k rpm

618 posts

240 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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I agree with Matt, drove a CSL about 10 years ago and really didn’t think much of it especially the brakes and awful gearbox. They look nice and the induction sound is cool but that’s about it. The V8 M3 Competition in my opinion is a better package. I’m sure the fanboys will hate me!

Edited by 9k rpm on Friday 30th June 08:38

Wab1974uk

1,412 posts

57 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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I just can't get over how ugly they've made the new M2 with those front and rear bumpers.

I'd buy the lesser M240i just because of that.

nismo48

7,127 posts

237 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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bar1989 said:
I feel Matt is maybe trying to be a little controversial here!
Don't meet your heroes...maybe?

Wills2

29,715 posts

205 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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fantheman80 said:
Do you mean Mercs engines and powertrains? U cant mean the styling surely which is a melted slug armani suit vs BMWs Aldi's trackie bottoms
EFA

smilo996

3,852 posts

200 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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Apart from the photo perspective, the M2 does he trick of looking bigger than the M3 whilst being smaller (but slightly taller).

Heart says M3 CSL with a manual conversion, in black because silver is dull. The M2, apart from the baffling 000's of kgs gained is the better performing car.

Both then.

GreatScott2016

2,543 posts

118 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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cerb4.5lee said:
bar1989 said:
I feel Matt is maybe trying to be a little controversial here!
I appreciated his honesty about the CSL to be fair, and I prefer the weaknesses of a car to be called out(the gearbox and the brakes for example).
Agreed, the honesty bit is always good to hear smile

Water Fairy

6,619 posts

185 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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CRA1G said:
Very interesting to read,I don't have the CSL but do have a E46 M3 Manual and will soon be ready to take delivery of the New M2 Manual along with my other little ///M collection, so it will be interesting to do some back to back driving...driving
Very nice Sir!

Genuine question how does the Z4M compare to the E46? It's a car on my radar for next year but have heard stories about poor factory suspension set up.

Can you divulge?

Cheers

Water Fairy

6,619 posts

185 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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Having driven a non CSL SMG M3 I can concur it is poor. Yes it is of it's time and yes BMW manuals aren't that good either but still preferable for me personally.

Someone above mentioned 'not having the skill or patience' to get used to it (SMG). Give over it's crap!