Saving the traditional car
Discussion
Was thinking the other day when watching some car program on YouTube that convertibles have one unique attribute, that they are both wanted / desirable and also look absolutely pants as a SUV.
Therefore, due to the desirability and being terrible as an SUV are they helping to save the cars of the traditional ride height and format (that I feel are vastly superior in every way) from the predatory species that is the SUV.
I'm not specifically criticising the Range Rover but nothing came closer to looking like a skip (and it's contemporaries) than cars like this.
Therefore, due to the desirability and being terrible as an SUV are they helping to save the cars of the traditional ride height and format (that I feel are vastly superior in every way) from the predatory species that is the SUV.
I'm not specifically criticising the Range Rover but nothing came closer to looking like a skip (and it's contemporaries) than cars like this.
Deranged Rover said:
ingenieur said:
Was thinking the other day when watching some car program on YouTube that convertibles have one unique attribute, that they are both wanted / desirable and also look absolutely pants as a SUV.
Isn't that two attributes, not one?Pistonheads; pedantry matters.
Deranged Rover said:
ingenieur said:
Was thinking the other day when watching some car program on YouTube that convertibles have one unique attribute, that they are both wanted / desirable and also look absolutely pants as a SUV.
Isn't that two attributes, not one?Pistonheads; pedantry matters.
DodgyGeezer said:
Good challenge but these convertibles wouldn't save the traditional car as they're not good examples. Has anybody got an example of a good looking SUV convertible? n.b. as a side note, criticising Japanese car design on pistonheads can get you into trouble so worth thinking twice before putting up pictures of Japanese cars saying they look bad!
What is a traditional car?
Must have a servicing agreement in place before letting someone open its bonnet?
Never parks next to the same model?
Generally suspicious of foreign brands?
Always uses the same brand of oil?
(Tyres) always smartly dressed?
Must have a servicing agreement in place before letting someone open its bonnet?
Never parks next to the same model?
Generally suspicious of foreign brands?
Always uses the same brand of oil?
(Tyres) always smartly dressed?
Edited by GiantCardboardPlato on Wednesday 5th July 07:34
ingenieur said:
Good challenge but these convertibles wouldn't save the traditional car as they're not good examples. Has anybody got an example of a good looking SUV convertible?
n.b. as a side note, criticising Japanese car design on pistonheads can get you into trouble so worth thinking twice before putting up pictures of Japanese cars saying they look bad!
Only when you start a thread under the pretence of wanting to understand why you feel that way and then spend ages just rubbishing every point made. n.b. as a side note, criticising Japanese car design on pistonheads can get you into trouble so worth thinking twice before putting up pictures of Japanese cars saying they look bad!
Dingu said:
ingenieur said:
Good challenge but these convertibles wouldn't save the traditional car as they're not good examples. Has anybody got an example of a good looking SUV convertible?
n.b. as a side note, criticising Japanese car design on pistonheads can get you into trouble so worth thinking twice before putting up pictures of Japanese cars saying they look bad!
Only when you start a thread under the pretence of wanting to understand why you feel that way and then spend ages just rubbishing every point made. n.b. as a side note, criticising Japanese car design on pistonheads can get you into trouble so worth thinking twice before putting up pictures of Japanese cars saying they look bad!
GiantCardboardPlato said:
What is a traditional car?
Must have a servicing agreement in place before letting someone open its bonnet?
Never parks next to the same model?
Generally suspicious of foreign brands?
Always uses the same brand of oil?
(Tyres) always smartly dressed?
Very good Must have a servicing agreement in place before letting someone open its bonnet?
Never parks next to the same model?
Generally suspicious of foreign brands?
Always uses the same brand of oil?
(Tyres) always smartly dressed?
Edited by GiantCardboardPlato on Wednesday 5th July 07:34
Regarding the question, "What's a traditional car?" I tend to think a square(ish) three box design as being traditional. It's arguable that it should mean artillery wheels and a chauffeur sat out in the weather, but...
So, sticking with three box designs, I'd agree they are the best shape for a convertible (not that anyone is agreeing with me)... Some of the best looking convertibles (early E-Types, classic Merc's, TVRs) are what could be described as rounded off three box designs, but still have distinct bonnet, cabin, boot proportions - most SUVs just look like a big box with the roof removed. That said, I'd love a Dodge Daytona pick up in convertible form, but then I have strange tastes.
So, sticking with three box designs, I'd agree they are the best shape for a convertible (not that anyone is agreeing with me)... Some of the best looking convertibles (early E-Types, classic Merc's, TVRs) are what could be described as rounded off three box designs, but still have distinct bonnet, cabin, boot proportions - most SUVs just look like a big box with the roof removed. That said, I'd love a Dodge Daytona pick up in convertible form, but then I have strange tastes.
E63eeeeee... said:
The T-Roc convertible, which is apparently now the only convertible VW sell in the UK, is actually quite a chunky, happy-looking thing in the metal.
Drives like a hippo, though.
I class that as a 'crossover' not an SUV. Two 'convertible' SUVs that do look good are the Jeep Wrangler SWB and the original LR Defender. SUVs are there for the purpose of getting you there and back off road. They do not need to be 'pretty' or anything else.Drives like a hippo, though.
andy43 said:
Bennet said:
ingenieur said:
Has anybody got an example of a good looking SUV convertible?
ingenieur said:
andy43 said:
Bennet said:
ingenieur said:
Has anybody got an example of a good looking SUV convertible?
I have never once desired a convertible.
Stylistically and dynamically inferior to sleek coupes, IMHO, they appear to pander to peacocks who seem to subscribe to the sunburnt head syndrome during those often brief moments when the sun shines and far worse visibility and minor leakage when it rains.
Stylistically and dynamically inferior to sleek coupes, IMHO, they appear to pander to peacocks who seem to subscribe to the sunburnt head syndrome during those often brief moments when the sun shines and far worse visibility and minor leakage when it rains.
LuS1fer said:
I have never once desired a convertible.
Stylistically and dynamically inferior to sleek coupes, IMHO, they appear to pander to peacocks who seem to subscribe to the sunburnt head syndrome during those often brief moments when the sun shines and far worse visibility and minor leakage when it rains.
I don't think you are the problem though. But people who like convertibles will save the sleek coupe that their convertible is based on by rejecting the SUV derived convertibles and sticking to the traditional shape. Stylistically and dynamically inferior to sleek coupes, IMHO, they appear to pander to peacocks who seem to subscribe to the sunburnt head syndrome during those often brief moments when the sun shines and far worse visibility and minor leakage when it rains.
I suppose the other possible outcome is that convertibles are withdrawn from the market completely along with the saloon / coupe family they are linked to.
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