RE: Ineos officially unveils new Quartermaster pickup
RE: Ineos officially unveils new Quartermaster pickup
Thursday 13th July 2023

Ineos officially unveils new Quartermaster pickup

Second model from Ineos is a double cab truck with 'world-class off-road ability'


Ineos has pulled the covers off the new Grenadier Quartermaster at Goodwood. The double cab pick-up is the manufacturer’s second model, and, as expected, is intended to complement the existing Station Wagon by giving buyers the option of improved load-lugging capacity. The Quartermaster was developed alongside its stablemate and is said to offer the same rugged off-road capabilities - claimed by Ineos to be ‘unrivalled’ by any other series production pick-up. 

The core difference - beyond the usual functional advantages of buying a pick-up over an SUV - is that the Quartermaster’s ladder frame chassis features a 305mm longer wheelbase than the Station Wagon. While this doesn’t do wonders for the new model’s proportions, it does result in a comparatively large load bay. At 1,564mm long and 1,619mm wide, it is easily big enough to swallow a 1,200mm by 800mm pallet (traditionally considered a prerequisite for any credible pick-up). 

If the size of the bed compares favourably with the competition, the Quartermaster’s 760kg payload could be said to lag behind (it isn’t unusual for a purpose-built pickup to manage beyond 1,000kg) but it retains the Station Wagon’s 3,500kg towing capacity, and Ineos will doubtless point to the 264mm ground clearance and 800mm wading depth as the model’s true point of difference. 

As expected, the new pick-up is powered by the same BMW-supplied 3.0-litre straight-six as its sibling, and is available as both a petrol or diesel variant. The eight-speed ZF transmission, a centre locking diff and two-speed transfer case are also among the standard kit (with front and rear diff locks optional). Like the Station Wagon, you also get heavy-duty five-link suspension front and back, Brembo brakes and a recirculating ball steering system. 

In terms of trim grades, the Quartermaster will mirror the established choice of standard, Trialmaster and Fieldmaster, all carrying the N1 commercial vehicle classification. Additionally, buyers can customise the Quartermaster with a range of accessories, including a frame and waterproof canopy for the load bay and a lockable roller tonneau cover. Prices weren’t confirmed ahead of the unveiling, but Ineos said the new model would be available for ordering from today. 

Elsewhere on the Ineos stand, the firm showed its new hydrogen-powered demonstrator, which adds BMW’s latest fuel cell tech. You can hardly miss the addition - the height of the fuel cell has dictated a noticeable bulge in the Grenadier’s bonnet (something it insists will be smoothed flat in time). The prototype was developed in partnership with Austrian firm, AVL, and features a modified ladder frame and back axle to incorporate a brace of electric motors that drive each rear wheel. 

Lynn Calder, Ineos Automotive’s CEO, reckons: “The hydrogen powered Grenadier Demonstrator along with our all-electric model due in 2026, shows INEOS commitment to net zero. BEVs are perfect for certain uses, shorter trips, most private car journeys and urban deliveries, whilst Hydrogen FCEVs are more suited for longer trips, heavy duty cycles where batteries impact too much on payload and where long range between stops is necessary. 

“INEOS also produces 400,000 tonnes of hydrogen per annum and is committed to hydrogen as a key fuel of the future. Our demonstrator proves that the technology is capable, but what we need now is support from policy makers to help provide the infrastructure for the next generation of hydrogen vehicles.”


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Macboy

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Thursday 13th July 2023
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In the UK I don’t really see who this is for at all. It’s going to be premium priced versus the competition so not a “tool”, won’t carry a tonne so isn’t VAT reclaimable for a business and is ruinously thirsty even in diesel form. Oh and it’s huge so it’s wildly impractical for everyday urban use. A real head scratcher.

It's also going to be the Ineos Grenadier Quartermaster Fieldmaster or Trialmaster which is right up there with 80's JDM cars and vans for the most ridiculous name award.

Edited by Macboy on Thursday 13th July 15:52

Jon_S_Rally

4,468 posts

118 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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It's been a while since there's been an Ineos story for people to moan about, so I'm sure this will cheer some people up no end!

Chris C2

243 posts

79 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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Wasn't expecting a longer chassis. Wonder when they will start to offer a LWB Station Wagon like a Defender 127/130 and also a chassis cab for specialist vehicle bodybuilders.

Roger Irrelevant

3,391 posts

143 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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article said:
Ineos will doubtless point to the 264mm ground clearance and 800mm wading depth as the model’s true point of difference.
So slightly less ground clearance than a Hilux, 100mm more wading depth (which hardly anybody will care about - 700mm is still quite a lot), a load bed about the same size but, crucially, a pretty rubbish payload that has significant tax consequences. And it'll probably be a hell of a lot more expensive too. I totally get that the vast majority of these sold in the UK will be sold as lifestyle vehicles and so in reality none of the above matters, and good luck to Ineos with that, but if the article is going to pretend that it's primarily a working vehicle then it shouldn't walk past this stuff either.

Edited by Roger Irrelevant on Thursday 13th July 12:55

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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Payload is presumably so they don't nip over 3500kg? It's overweight from the start.

Bill

58,734 posts

285 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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No price...

Although that only changes the emoji with the question.

How much? confused

Vs

How much??!?! eek

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sideshowfred

91 posts

113 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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From £66k according the the configurator...

Water Fairy

6,619 posts

185 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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These just look like a Chinese defender rip off to me.

Quhet

2,943 posts

176 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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Ripe for the African Safari market perhaps? Can't see any use for one over here

Pflanzgarten

7,628 posts

55 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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You’d have thought the first prerequisite would be getting it through being able to be a commercial.

No VAT reclaim and horrendous benefit in kind. Utterly useless.

A.J.M

8,391 posts

216 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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Roger Irrelevant said:
article said:
Ineos will doubtless point to the 264mm ground clearance and 800mm wading depth as the model’s true point of difference.
So slightly less ground clearance than a Hilux, 100mm more wading depth (which hardly anybody will care about - 700mm is still quite a lot), a load bed about the same size but, crucially, a pretty rubbish payload that has significant tax consequences. And it'll probably be a hell of a lot more expensive too. I totally get that the vast majority of these sold in the UK will be sold as lifestyle vehicles and so in reality none of the above matters, and good luck to Ineos with that, but if the article is going to pretend that it's primarily a working vehicle then it shouldn't walk past this stuff either.

Edited by Roger Irrelevant on Thursday 13th July 12:55
Also less ground clearance and wading depth than land rovers new defender…



garypotter

2,072 posts

180 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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they have missed why Joe Public buys a d/cab pickup - payload, tax benefits and cheaper to run than a similar size suv

Andy665

4,179 posts

258 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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garypotter said:
they have missed why Joe Public buys a d/cab pickup - payload, tax benefits and cheaper to run than a similar size suv
Anyone would think that there are sales opportunities only within the UK :-)

Numeric

1,499 posts

181 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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Andy665 said:
garypotter said:
they have missed why Joe Public buys a d/cab pickup - payload, tax benefits and cheaper to run than a similar size suv
Anyone would think that there are sales opportunities only within the UK :-)
I think the part that mystifies people is the weight and the failure to have a 1 ton payload is indicative of the issue even if in other markets it may be less relevant, I'm not knowledgeable on weight limits in other markets, I do note that GVW has also been a factor, for example and a little off track, but I bet most people have no idea what load weight they can stick in their cars, suffice to say it certainly doesn't include a family of four, luggage and bicycles hanging off the back.

The Toyota Hilux has a good reputation for solidity and accomplishes the payload as well, but it is worth noting that often engineering projects by companies with little history in a field go overweight from aircraft to boats, experience teaches where you can shave it off in future products.

I do applaud giving the bed extra size with a wheelbase extension, i'm always surprised ho small some beds are and have always been surprised there wasn't more demand for extended cab variants to deliver more load area.

Edited by Numeric on Thursday 13th July 15:39

Macboy

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235 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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Quhet said:
Ripe for the African Safari market perhaps? Can't see any use for one over here
But only as a chassic cab which they aren't selling as everything Safari is rebodied locally.

Ev112

51 posts

226 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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Quhet said:
Ripe for the African Safari market perhaps? Can't see any use for one over here
Not sure what their edge would be over a Hilux or 79? Particularly now supply constraint of the 79 is easing up.

Presume they don’t offer “third world” spec engines?

cookie1600

2,737 posts

191 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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Can't wait for the 6x6 version to hit Kensington High Street.

Arsecati

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147 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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Andy665 said:
Anyone would think that there are sales opportunities only within the UK :-)
Well, you'd think so, being a British car made in Britain................. Oh!

Lefty

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232 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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Massive fail with the payload.

nismo48

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237 months

Friday 14th July 2023
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Jon_S_Rally said:
It's been a while since there's been an Ineos story for people to moan about, so I'm sure this will cheer some people up no end!
biglaugh