RE: Jeep Commander Hemi | The Brave Pill
RE: Jeep Commander Hemi | The Brave Pill
Saturday 15th July 2023

Jeep Commander Hemi | The Brave Pill

A V8 with room for seven


Our Pills are generally selected for an enticing mixture of risk and reward, but many are going to think that this week’s only scores on one side of that scale. The Jeep Commander was little-loved even when it was new and shiny. The passage of 17 years, 117,000 miles and what – against strong competition – is one of the gnarliest MOT records in Pill history probably won’t have increased the level of affection this one is likely to receive.

Yet there is at least one reason to be cheerful. Most UK-bound Commanders were fitted with a Mercedes V6 diesel which was slightly better at making noise than producing forward progress, but the first buyer of this one ordered it with the much more compelling option of a 5.7-litre Hemi. For £7,995 this is a muscular SUV with room for seven and a brawny V8 up front. There’s got to be something to like there, right?

The noughties were not a great time for Jeep. This was the DaimlerChrysler era, what had been pitched as a merger of corporate equals but which soon turned into a race to the bottom as both Mercedes and Chrysler seemed to be battling to achieve the worst build quality. Yet however shonky some of the turn-of-the-millennium Mercs were, Chrysler won this contest hands-down. In Europe, we were lucky to be spared most of these, but cars like the Dodge Caliber which did make it here were pretty much without merit – and were so poorly received that one desperate dealer offered a ‘buy one, get one free’ deal.

The Caliber, and closely related Jeep Patriot, did indeed have cheapness on their side. But the much bigger Commander did not. The very decision to offer it in Europe seemed an odd one given the combination of bling-heavy design and XL dimensions; it’s not as if the WK generation Grand Cherokee of the same period was exactly lacking road presence. The main difference was that the Commander had three rows of seats, although the rearmost were very cramped. It also had boxy lines that seemed to have been done by somebody in a rush to do something more important. Of these, the strangely wonky narrowing headlights were the Commander’s most interesting and distinctive detail. Also its only interesting and distinctive detail.

Critics were generally unkind. None more so than former Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne, whose unaffectionate obituary pulled no punches, describing the Commander as being “unfit for human consumption” and admitting that he didn’t know why anybody bought it. This seems a little harsh: the V8 was certainly much less fun than anything doing 15mpg had any right to be, the Commander consistently imprecise and mushy to drive. But it was decent off-road, sharing its underpinnings with the Grand Cherokee, was awesome at towing and sounded snarly when worked hard.

British sales were slow. Although three-row SUVs were relatively thin on the ground when the Commander reached the UK in 2006, buyers would have to forego the much nicer Volvo XC90 and Land Rover Discovery 3 to end up with the Jeep. Only 1,500 Commanders of all sorts were registered in four years here, fewer than 200 of which were V8s. How Many Left reckons there are only 120 Hemis still taxed with another 20 on SORN.

By the admittedly limited standards of Jeep Commanders, our Pill looks pretty decent from (most) angles. The black paintwork is gleaming and there are no signs of the sort of dings and blemishes you might expect to find on an elderly off-roader. What it does feature is plenty of stickers: HEMI branding on the sides of the bonnet – which seems to have been factory original – plus a full-length set of racing stripes down the centreline of the car; a bold look for a 2.3-tonne SUV. At the rear our Pill has some more obviously non-standard decals including what the database hamsters reckon is the column’s first-ever ‘Powered by Fairy Dust’ and one of a character fighting a falling fuel gauge. The next buyer shouldn’t be surprised if they discover this Jeep previously belonged to a professional comedian.

More alarming is the spare wheel mounting at the rear, or rather the lack of it. It seems to be held on its cradle by two ratchet straps, with a close inspection of the picture offering no evidence of anything else keeping it secured. The grey leather of the interior also seems to have picked up some grubby patina over the years.

Bringing us to the MOT history, and possibly the need to sit down. A test in April was flunked with no fewer than nine major defects, ranging from a non-functioning EML, broken lights, binding brakes to the more alarming admonition ‘Nearside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area excessively corroded significantly reducing structural strength, rear subframe corroded and holed.’ That had been repaired alongside everything else well enough to pass a test 12 days later. Further back there is also a mileage discrepancy, the tester in 2015 recording 113,000 miles and then the next pass in 2017 showing just 75,400. This is in the right ballpark for a km-to-miles issue, but worth investigating.

There are some more useful details in the advert text. The dealer selling our Pill says that the previous owner spent £2,000 on it shortly before getting rid, with the mention of welding suggesting this was mostly on fixing the MOT issues. The spend also seems to have included new brake discs and calipers, front hubs and bearings. “The car is lovely and wants for nothing now,” the dealer promises. Which is reassuring, if debatable. Our Pill has also been given an LPG conversion which, if still in full health, should move the fuel bills from tragic to merely comic - 15mpg on gas currently costing about the equivalent of 30mpg on petrol.

Any aged Jeep is a courageous choice for those in search of hassle-free motoring, but our Pill brings another level of bravery: the willingness to associate with such a piece of conspicuous excess. For anyone willing and able to front that, this could be the supreme Commander. 


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yme402

Original Poster:

589 posts

122 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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First reaction is no thanks. But then again, what would you pay for an equally dynamically-awful Landrover Defender?


apm142001

287 posts

109 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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There is supposed to be a risk/reward trade-off with a Brave Pill. But with all the many issues fairly obvious, and no potential for any sort of a win, this is more of a cyanide pill.

richinlondon

789 posts

142 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Compared to BMW’s new xm, it’s a bit of a looker…

plumslikerocks

38 posts

106 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Easily confused with Shed. Not sure the value of the engine plus scrap metal is, but the rest serves no purpose at all. Thoroughly abused and bodged - if that spare wheel arrangement is regarded as satisfactory, I dread to think what the lpg conversion looks like! Edit: what’s happened to the n/s rear door card?!?!

Portofino

4,996 posts

211 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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It certainly is a design abomination but a chrome boss eyed Wrangler wearing wannabee wagoneers wet dream at the same time.

Some hillbilly will be chewing the tobacco over this.




jeremyh1

1,468 posts

147 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Nothing wrong with this car for the price
Most normal people will know that the running costs of this vehicle will be high and most potential buyers will be looking at this knowing it will cost a bit to run
Its a rare car in the UK and well worth the money if it is a car that you want

Hugo Stiglitz

40,254 posts

231 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Will the seller answer thr phone post sale?

x5tuu

12,637 posts

207 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Always had a soft spot for these and was tempted with one when I bought my 08 plate Wrangler Sahara but the roof-less-ness won me over.

Id have a crack at this and its not that much money all considered

Bill

56,719 posts

275 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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jeremyh1 said:
Nothing wrong with this car for the price
Most normal people will know that the running costs of this vehicle will be high and most potential buyers will be looking at this knowing it will cost a bit to run
Its a rare car in the UK and well worth the money if it is a car that you want
You'd have to be desperate for 7 seats and a V8 to pick one of these. Bet it's the more expensive tax too. wink

DaveEvs

390 posts

122 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Perfect for a provincial nightclub owner or local DJ

AC43

13,122 posts

228 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Portofino said:
It certainly is a design abomination but a chrome boss eyed Wrangler wearing wannabee wagoneers wet dream at the same time.

Some hillbilly will be chewing the tobacco over this.
The names of these things seem to be aimed at a six year old boys. Commander. Patriot. Maverick. Predator. Tragic.

Hugo Stiglitz

40,254 posts

231 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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DaveEvs said:
Perfect for a provincial nightclub owner or local DJ
Still do today. Anyone who buys a pickup likes to feel bigger than their 5ft4 stature.

Quhet

2,767 posts

166 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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jeremyh1 said:
Nothing wrong with this car for the price
Most normal people will know that the running costs of this vehicle will be high and most potential buyers will be looking at this knowing it will cost a bit to run
Its a rare car in the UK and well worth the money if it is a car that you want
Yeah, but why would you want it?!

AndySheff

6,812 posts

227 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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I like those dual rear seat sunroofs.
Not much else to like though.

Angelo1985

642 posts

46 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Always liked the look of these, it’s like a modern wagoneer. But I also remember the horrid interior, the quality issues and the comical fuel consumption that emerged immediately after it was put on sale.

I see this thing more as a shed than a brave pill. I would not spend 8000 pounds on it! Or even 4000, to be fair

Angelo1985

642 posts

46 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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AC43 said:
The names of these things seem to be aimed at a six year old boys. Commander. Patriot. Maverick. Predator. Tragic.
You forgot the “compass”. Literally the same car as the patriot, with a “sporty” tune

Bobupndown

2,660 posts

63 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Anyone who retails a car with tragic stickers like "powered by fairy dust" still attached has to be given a wide berth.

This is the type thing I hire on US holidays. Totally ott v8 4x4s.
Last one was a GMC Yukon, managed to get it showing 2 mpg booting it on the interstate.

This has financial ruin written all over it. It's a no from me.

ChemicalChaos

10,693 posts

180 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Former er, Commander, of a Hemi Commander here!

Whilst this is a particularly shoddily maintained example judging by the MOT history, the basic vehicle itself is not as much of a joke as you'd think.

I ran my 2006 model, nicknamed Carly-Rae Jeepsen hehe , from 2017 to 2020, going from 58,000 to 111,000 miles.
She was by far the most reliable car I've owned (equalling my current Hilux), needing only servicing, brakes and tyres in that time despite doing everything from motorway munching, occasional heavy towing, and regular B-road tomfoolery with all 300+hp.
It's certainly not a slouch of a car, achieving 60 in just over 7 seconds despite the size and weight, and it makes a hugely satisfying rumble both inside and outside, as you'd expect. The small brakes, however, wilt relatively quickly - soft ferodo pads and grooved EBC discs made a big difference for me.
Handling is best described as "squishy" but it is supremely comfortable over rough roads!

As stated, LPG halves the fuel bill, making the £/mile equivalent to a diseasel. The hideous external spare on this one will be because, like mine, the tank is under the boot floor where the wheel belongs. Mine, however, had the wheel upright in a bag against the side of the boot (like an old Cherokee) which is far more practical.
The issue nowadays is finding LPG, one of the reasons I broke up with Carly was seeing all my local sellers disappear as forecourts were refurbished and electric charging bays replaced gas tanks.

Everyone likes to point and laugh at the perceived quality/ unsophistication of such yank tanks, and indeed back in 2006 everyone after a 7 seat SUV would have walked right past the Jeep and bought a Discovery 3 instead. Certainly, the interior is made from melted down Playmobil and the leather has definitely never been near a cow.
However, 10-15 years down the line that simplicity works in favour. With coil springs, a Dana solid rear axle, mechanical handbrake and a big ol' pushrod V8, there's no maladies with air suspension, rotten wishbones, knackered electric mechanisms or timing belts. No soft touch trim to go sticky or get ripped.
The other big difference is that the jeep is clearly designed for easy maintenance. Clear service schedules in the handbook with all fluid specs and capacities listed, versus "sealed for life" or "refer to dealer". Physical things too - oil filter at the front of the engine, with a little drip channel on the subframe underneath. Headlight bulbs accessed through a generous hole in the slam panel.

Overall, if you want a big ol' V8 bus but can't afford a Land Cruiser, find a good one and you won't regret it!

Dombilano

1,331 posts

75 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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New wiper blades, not really tempting me with that.

I'd rather set fire to £8k in cash.

Iamnotkloot

1,792 posts

167 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
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Yee haw!
If you’re a wannabe redneck, this would make you happier than a tornado in a trailer park.
But I think you’d have to be nuttier than a squirrel turd to buy it.