RE: Facelifted 992 GT3 Touring seen testing
RE: Facelifted 992 GT3 Touring seen testing
Monday 7th August 2023

Facelifted 992 GT3 Touring seen testing

Tickled pink by the new S/T? Well, expect the understated theme to continue with the incoming 992.2


What with so many derivatives having been launched one after the other, it’s been easy to forget that the 992 era of 911 has been around for a little while now. Hard to keep track when one week it’s Heritage Design Edition, then it’s Sport Classic, Carrera GTS Lightweight, Dakar… essentially, we’re not far off five years since the eighth generation made its debut in LA at the end of 2018. Which means it’s update time.

Likely to be a 992.2, the new model has been previewed in these spy shots by, pleasingly, a GT3 Touring - the exhaust pipes being the dead giveaway. As is Porsche tradition when it comes to facelifts, this is going to be a modest tweak for the existing 911. For the moment, the clearest giveaway is the indicator being incorporated into the headlight unit, with the front bumper redesigned to accommodate it. Notable for this car as well is some additional cladding around the rear, which would imply another mild styling change back there. It’s still going to look a lot like a 911, put it that way. And why would Porsche change it?

Expect more significant changes inside and under the skin, potentially incorporating more screens as per the Taycan and latest Cayenne refresh. GT3-specific modifications are often incremental, with small aerodynamic and powertrain improvements; given how the future looks for high-revving combustion engines, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see a lot of 992.1 GT3 carried over wholesale to 992.2 GT3. Helps that it’s pretty great already, of course. Further down the range, expect the turbo flat sixes to be reworked for a little more power, and perhaps one or two chassis options included as standard. Porsche is understood to be working on a hybridised 911, although it's unclear whether or not that will launch as a 992.2. 

Either way, with the wild limited editions of the current car coming on stream, we won’t be far away from the new generation. Remember the old 991 Speedster arrived after the new Carreras had been announced, so there may well be some overlap again. If Porsche fancies, say, an S/T Spyder? There's a thought. 


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Motormouth88

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789 posts

90 months

Monday 7th August 2023
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I do love a Porsche but they are in danger of diluting the range so much that the desirability of them will lessen, at least for me. They’ll obviously continue to sell out and be flipped for considerably more but it’s getting a bit washy imo

dibblecorse

7,618 posts

222 months

Monday 7th August 2023
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Motormouth88 said:
I do love a Porsche but they are in danger of diluting the range so much that the desirability of them will lessen, at least for me. They’ll obviously continue to sell out and be flipped for considerably more but it’s getting a bit washy imo
I wouldn't bank on it the way the markets turning ...

JJJ.

5,591 posts

45 months

Monday 7th August 2023
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dibblecorse said:
Motormouth88 said:
I do love a Porsche but they are in danger of diluting the range so much that the desirability of them will lessen, at least for me. They’ll obviously continue to sell out and be flipped for considerably more but it’s getting a bit washy imo
I wouldn't bank on it the way the markets turning ...
Up the power by 10 bhp and price by twenty grand should make it a sell out.

dibblecorse

7,618 posts

222 months

Monday 7th August 2023
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JJJ. said:
dibblecorse said:
Motormouth88 said:
I do love a Porsche but they are in danger of diluting the range so much that the desirability of them will lessen, at least for me. They’ll obviously continue to sell out and be flipped for considerably more but it’s getting a bit washy imo
I wouldn't bank on it the way the markets turning ...
Up the power by 10 bhp and price by twenty grand should make it a sell out.
Not for the generic 992.2 stuff. PCP rates at close to 11% and the heats gone from the market, Porsche have a glut of new or sub 500 mile 992's available now that people are bailing on !

sidesauce

2,967 posts

248 months

Monday 7th August 2023
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Motormouth88 said:
I do love a Porsche but they are in danger of diluting the range so much that the desirability of them will lessen, at least for me. They’ll obviously continue to sell out and be flipped for considerably more but it’s getting a bit washy imo
Nah, the desirability won't lesson, at all - you might not like them, but the market still does, very much!

The fact you acknowledge they sell out and flipped proves there's no 'washy' going on whatsoever, in fact it's to the contrary; many Porsche's are literal unobtanium...

honda_exige

8,350 posts

236 months

Monday 7th August 2023
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Motormouth88 said:
I do love a Porsche but they are in danger of diluting the range so much that the desirability of them will lessen, at least for me. They’ll obviously continue to sell out and be flipped for considerably more but it’s getting a bit washy imo
Updating an existing model isn't diluting anything.

Maccmike8

1,611 posts

84 months

Monday 7th August 2023
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Motormouth88 said:
I do love a Porsche but they are in danger of diluting the range so much that the desirability of them will lessen, at least for me. They’ll obviously continue to sell out and be flipped for considerably more but it’s getting a bit washy imo
Thats what it does for me anyway. Just too many.

donutskidmark

1,403 posts

183 months

Monday 7th August 2023
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In the old days a new Porsche being released was a significant event- but with all the models now constantly being churned out it’s obviously a case of diminishing marginal returns for the Porsche enthusiast…….with the Sport Classic, Dakar, GT4 RS, SpyderRS and ST in recent times who really cares too much about a Gen 2 GT3? Especially as you won’t get a build slot anyway.
But, there’s no doubt the heat has definitely gone out of the market so it will be interesting to see how Porsche try to maintain control of prices/ supply/demand.
I sold my 991 GT2RS in July 2022 to a dealer- and it still remains in the trade unsold 13 months later!

smilo996

3,852 posts

200 months

Monday 7th August 2023
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The emperor's new clothes in automotive form.

big_rob_sydney

3,671 posts

224 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Oh, look, another 911 article. Gee, we haven't see one of those since... what time is it? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Bobtherallyfan

1,516 posts

108 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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big_rob_sydney said:
Oh, look, another 911 article. Gee, we haven't see one of those since... what time is it? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Maybe that’s because Porsche keep producing new models that are actually great to drive, rather than concentrating on an electrical appliance where you have to turn the A/C off to make sure it will get anywhere and back.

cris9964

214 posts

210 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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donutskidmark said:
In the old days a new Porsche being released was a significant event- but with all the models now constantly being churned out it’s obviously a case of diminishing marginal returns for the Porsche enthusiast…….with the Sport Classic, Dakar, GT4 RS, SpyderRS and ST in recent times who really cares too much about a Gen 2 GT3? Especially as you won’t get a build slot anyway.
But, there’s no doubt the heat has definitely gone out of the market so it will be interesting to see how Porsche try to maintain control of prices/ supply/demand.
I sold my 991 GT2RS in July 2022 to a dealer- and it still remains in the trade unsold 13 months later!
New Turbo s at 10k to 15k off from OPC's now. There's a lot more to come in q1 next year (significant recession potential). It's time the OPC's now up their game. Special cars for their mates won't pay the bills.

PTS and heritage interiors on standard Carreras are not likely to drive a whole new set of customers into them either (strange decision when they are asking for 175k for a heritage targa).

Still you can pick up a cheap Taycan now.... It's coming home to roost for the OPC's.

Time for us to get up and off our knees at the alter of Porsche.

Edited by cris9964 on Tuesday 8th August 09:35


Edited by cris9964 on Tuesday 8th August 09:35

big_rob_sydney

3,671 posts

224 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Bobtherallyfan said:
Maybe that’s because Porsche keep producing new models that are actually great to drive, rather than concentrating on an electrical appliance where you have to turn the A/C off to make sure it will get anywhere and back.
New models? This is basically the exact same car for the last thousand years, with a different coloured pin stripe. Get over yourself.

TheOctaneAddict

1,266 posts

77 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Porsche are masters of the minimal incremental upgrade. But as long as they are making NA manual sportscars i'm here for it.

LuS1fer

43,523 posts

275 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Starting to pick up those M4 cues...

DelbertW

2 posts

182 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Nobody apart from YouTube Influencers or Dealer Principal's mates have a hope in hell of getting one so cannot remotely get excited by any new GT Porsche.

DeejRC

9,665 posts

112 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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I think all the special editions are great, especially in an “interesting” market environment. It simply opens up the pool of motors in the unobtanium category. I don’t see why ppl are whingeing. The question though is, how many of those whingeing about a new unobtanium Porsche are going to actually buy one of these many special variants when the chance arises? Cos with this many special variants, in an interesting market environment- that chance will come for one of them.
I suspect the answer will be: not many of you.

Sukh13

792 posts

215 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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DeejRC said:
I think all the special editions are great, especially in an “interesting” market environment. It simply opens up the pool of motors in the unobtanium category. I don’t see why ppl are whingeing. The question though is, how many of those whingeing about a new unobtanium Porsche are going to actually buy one of these many special variants when the chance arises? Cos with this many special variants, in an interesting market environment- that chance will come for one of them.
I suspect the answer will be: not many of you.
It's also not a fair comparison.

When the cars are impossible to get, the financial risk and economics of purchasing one are easy. Buy at list, use and flip for an almost guaranteed profit.

Now, the only reason one is available to purchase is because the demand and ability to flip for profit has diminished. Accordingly, the allure of the special editions/GT3s is a riskier proposition.

Very easy to look down on people who only get the opportunity because the flippers and friends of OPCs have stepped back from the market, but it clearly is a very different proposition now.

DeejRC

9,665 posts

112 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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But Sukh…surely the economics don’t matter to all these enthusiasts whingeing they can’t get one? Surely they only want one because of the driving dynamics and inherent ability of the product…?

Sukh13

792 posts

215 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Not for poor enthusiasts like me, the economics need to works as much as the car : )

If I could get a GT3 allocation in the 'good times' then both work easily, now not so much...