Why do we pay more for diesel in the UK...
Why do we pay more for diesel in the UK...
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Chicken Chaser

Original Poster:

9,086 posts

254 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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....when in Europe it's significantly cheaper than petrol?

Legacywr

15,756 posts

218 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Tax.

otolith

69,143 posts

234 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Tax is the same on petrol and diesel in the UK.

In some countries it isn't.

AmyRichardson

1,989 posts

72 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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otolith said:
Tax is the same on petrol and diesel in the UK.

In some countries it isn't.
Yep, in Germany and France the tax on petrol is ~€0.65/litre but only ~€0.50 on diesel (before VAT.)

Hence the French loved a diesel, even back in the day when they were rubbish...

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/eu/gas-taxes-in...

France, for example, is only 59 cents per litre which is a fair bit cheaper than here!

BikeSausage

741 posts

98 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Based on my experience, we don’t right now, across the board.

I’m coming home today after a month in Portugal, Spain and France.

The cheapest supermarket diesel I found in France was €1.74, about £1.50 on my credit card.

When I left the UK a month ago, I had filled up at £1.38.

Spain and Portugal were on a level with UK prices.

Have UK prices gone up during July and early August?

MarkJS

2,170 posts

177 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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I believe it’s refinery/processing costs, but could be wrong.

One think I do know though is that we pay (certainly where I live) quite a lot less for either petrol of diesel than some of our European neighbours. I’ve seen higher prices in France, Italy, Greece & Turkey this year. I’m in Portugal at the moment and it’s a similar story.

otolith

69,143 posts

234 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Wholesale costs are almost the same

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/fuel-watch/

Sport220

1,575 posts

105 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Because some mainland european countries have lower fuel duty on Diesel than Petrol.

I think much more relevant than that to the cost of motoring is we have little to no toll roads.

Every motorway in Portugal is a toll road. Driving from Porto to, say, Portimao in the Algarve, is 47 euro just in tolls for 340 miles, almost 100 euro for the round trip. You can do Edinburgh to Brighton via the M1 and not pay a single toll.

MarkJS

2,170 posts

177 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Sport220 said:
Every motorway in Portugal is a toll road. Driving from Porto to, say, Portimao in the Algarve, is 47 euro just in tolls for 340 miles, almost 100 euro for the round trip. You can do Edinburgh to Brighton via the M1 and not pay a single toll.
And, there’s still road tax to pay.

AmyRichardson

1,989 posts

72 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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MarkJS said:
And, there’s still road tax to pay.
Technically there isn't road tax, but the point that the money has to come from somewhere is certainly sound.

Tolls give the consumer a truer picture of the total cost of road transport, we see the "rolling stock" costs directly whereas the infrastructure costs are imperceptible things paid from our taxes.

MarkJS

2,170 posts

177 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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AmyRichardson said:
MarkJS said:
And, there’s still road tax to pay.
Technically there isn't road tax, but the point that the money has to come from somewhere is certainly sound.

Tolls give the consumer a truer picture of the total cost of road transport, we see the "rolling stock" costs directly whereas the infrastructure costs are imperceptible things paid from our taxes.
Is there not still the annual Pagar o Imposto Único de Circulação to pay?

stogbandard

442 posts

80 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Slight tangent but the difference between normal diesel and posh diesel is a lot smaller - 8c per litre for Total Excellium in France, for example, compared to 12p or more in the UK. Not sure if that has anything to do with the price of all fuel grades displayed on the digital totems, compared to standard unleaded and diesel in the UK.

Deesee

8,509 posts

113 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Chicken Chaser said:
....when in Europe it's significantly cheaper than petrol?
They are still on Russian imports, we are not..

Johnny 89

836 posts

182 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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In Ireland diesel is currently c. 10c per litre cheaper than petrol. A couple of years ago diesel was more expensive for 6 - 12 months.

bobtail4x4

4,420 posts

139 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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MarkJS said:
I believe it’s refinery/processing costs, but could be wrong.

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diesel is cheaper to refine than petrol

MarkJS

2,170 posts

177 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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bobtail4x4 said:
MarkJS said:
I believe it’s refinery/processing costs, but could be wrong.

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diesel is cheaper to refine than petrol
In black & white lab-type conditions, I don’t doubt it. In basket case UK conditions where capacity becomes involved, I’d bet you’re wrong.

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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I noticed that petrol & diesel were about the same price in Portugal the other week.
Diesel still cost a bit more in my local Costco. But still a fair bit cheaper than in Portugal..

unsprung

6,054 posts

154 months

Wednesday 9th August 2023
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Fun to see this list: Dozens of countries ranked by cost of petrol:

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices...

Interesting findings:

- Price per litre is the same in the UK as it is in the Central African Republic. At the end of the work day, how many full tanks can an average household buy?

- Iran looking very affordable! Reckon I can live there with a couple of Hellcats? ; )

- Eye-watering Hong Kong.


Sport220

1,575 posts

105 months

Wednesday 9th August 2023
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AmyRichardson said:
Technically there isn't road tax, but the point that the money has to come from somewhere is certainly sound.

Tolls give the consumer a truer picture of the total cost of road transport, we see the "rolling stock" costs directly whereas the infrastructure costs are imperceptible things paid from our taxes.
MarkJS said:
Is there not still the annual Pagar o Imposto Único de Circulação to pay?
IUC is the same thing as VED