RE: Up to 265hp from all-new, much larger VW Passat
RE: Up to 265hp from all-new, much larger VW Passat
Thursday 31st August 2023

Up to 265hp from all-new, much larger VW Passat

Volkswagen has seen the light: the Passat goes wagon only and Superb-sized


The modern age has produced many wilfully dull cars. You can blame homogenised, ultra-conservative car companies for that, not to mention buyers too easily satisfied with the designed-by-committee products that emerge from them. Harsh, perhaps to include the Volkswagen Passat among the multitude after half a century of production and 30m units shifted, but its maker has always done a remarkably good job of making its middle-of-the-road saloon as bland as possible. Only very briefly, with the W8-powered B5 and the R36-badged B6, has the model been permitted to let its hair down. And even then VW played it remarkably safe. 

Of course, the advantage of all this moderation was a lasting reputation for solidity. Over eight generations the Passat hardly seemed to change, which meant that people felt like they knew what they were getting. Nothing too flashy; just a reliable, practical, well-made car that could be relied upon to get the job done. And for a long time, that was enough. But the outgoing generation of Passat, on sale since 2015, was squeezed like no other. Increasingly, the general public wanted family-sized SUVs - and those that didn’t preferred to buy their saloons from BMW or Audi. Familiarity, so often the lynchpin of its success, suddenly started working against the Passat. People forgot about it. 

Plainly then, change was needed. Nothing too radical (this is still Volkswagen, after all) but now its maker has plundered the Skoda playbook in an effort to realign the model with what buyers are apparently after. The result, which shares its updated MQB evo platform (and a production line) with the new Superb, is a much larger car than the one it replaces, and will be sold exclusively as a wagon from launch. The change in blueprint is unmistakable: a 50mm increase in wheelbase length has resulted in those elongated back doors (a quintessential Superb trait) and that chunky rear overhang (ditto) that sees the ninth-generation Passat knocking on five metres. 

Is it good-looking? Lord, no. But it’s going to be hugely big inside - expect oodles of rear legroom, and a cavernous 690 litres of boot space (1,920 litres with the seats down) - and there’s said to be a new focus on comfort. Not just from a chassis that boasts a new generation of adaptive chassis control and, for the first time, a tie-it-all-together Vehicle Dynamics Manager - but also from optional features like ergoActive Plus massage seats and two-valve dampers with DCC Pro. Inside, a completely new interior has been designed around what is claimed to be a much more intuitive infotainment system with a screen that can be specced as large as 15 inches. 

Incredibly, the new Passat appears to stick with the widely panned haptic slider controls for cabin temperature (the Superb, it should be noted, does not share these) and the gear selector has migrated to a switch on the steering column (redolent of the firm’s ID-generation of electric cars) but otherwise it’s much as you’d expect from a Passat in 2023. The same goes for a very broad powertrain lineup, which offers buyers everything from two flavours of plug-in hybrid (VW anticipates a 62-mile electric range from a new 19.7kWh battery) and a mild-hybrid 1.5-litre eTSI petrol, through to a brace of 2.0-litre TSI units and (wonders never cease) a triumvirate of 2.0-litre oil burners that we assume won’t all be sold in the UK. 

The potential ace in the hole - at least from a PHer’s perspective - is the flagship TSI motor, which not only boasts 265hp and 295lb ft of torque, but also the standard 4Motion all-wheel-drive system that ought to deliver a sub 6 second 0-62mph time. The outgoing Passat was briefly available with the 280hp lump that made the Superb 280 Sportline such a well-liked constituent of the PH fleet a few years ago - but we never saw one. Assuming Volkswagen has successfully harnessed what made the Superb such amenable company, it may yet prove to have a likeable fast estate on its hands. Nothing too exciting, naturally. But being large and swift and comfy (and reasonably priced, let’s hope) might be just enough to return the Passat to something like prominence. If not, there's rumours of an R-badged model next year...


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German_preffered_V8

Original Poster:

7 posts

100 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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Since Volvo announced their decision to stop making estates, this offering from VW may attract more attention. Nothing wrong with the Passat, but it will never be regarded as an exciting choice. If you don’t need the load lugging capability, a Golf estate will do very nicely.

Pughmacher

440 posts

73 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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German_preffered_V8 said:
Since Volvo announced their decision to stop making estates, this offering from VW may attract more attention. Nothing wrong with the Passat, but it will never be regarded as an exciting choice. If you don’t need the load lugging capability, a Golf estate will do very nicely.
Very good point about the lack of Volvo wagons. I can’t help but think that in that light the biggest sales draw for this car would be a lack of Volvo competitors. Presumably VW know exactly what they’re doing and will shift enough of them but by god it’s dull.

Mike1990

1,151 posts

161 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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I like that. Estates are just cool, and in a world of SUV’s it’s really refreshing to see them still being built!

AJ-T

331 posts

220 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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Recently I’ve been looking to buy a new car, my accountant told me I can buy anything I like as long as it has serious load carrying abilities. Due to my job I do carry a lot of kit so that was fine.

You’d be surprised at what little there is is to choose from if you discount SUV’s, which I did as I don’t really like them.

I wanted something big, 500 litres plus boot, fast, practical, well priced and comfortable. Again, my field of view narrowed by 50 percent.

In the end Jaguar won me over with their Sportbrake AWD petrol 300bhp, just something about BRG and Tan leather I couldn’t stop thinking about. Volvo and BMW came in second choice.

The Passat looks great on the inside but the outside is very boring, I’d struggle to have any love for that car.





Edited by AJ-T on Thursday 31st August 06:18


Edited by AJ-T on Thursday 31st August 06:20

GianiCakes

696 posts

103 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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That Jag is great looking, and it still has the rotary controls that LR just deleted. VW persisting with their own deeply flawed system is incomprehensible.

Jader1973

5,162 posts

230 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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Article says “Superb-sized”.

Yup - because the next Superb is supposedly exactly the same body between the A and D pillars (possibly even same bonnet). It is not just the same platform, it is basically the same car.

I’m not sure VAG have ever done that before on two new models from their brands at the same time. I know they used to roll down old Audis to SEAT etc but AFAIK they were never produced at the same time.

The market must not justify two unique estates being developed any more.

Mysstree

547 posts

76 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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The infotainment system in my old Tiguan is dire so i doubt that Volkswagen could get it any worse though am not a fan of that Amazon style tablet on the dashboard, AJ-T’s Jaguar interior looks far more cohesive though would i trade that for the solidity and reliability of a Volkswagen.

mabosh

350 posts

216 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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It looks rather similar to the facelifted MG5


Familymad

2,333 posts

247 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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Metallic green Jag. Lovely

croyde

26,414 posts

260 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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There is one of these parked outside this past week. I had no idea what it was as it only has an R logo on it.

Looks very impressive in the flesh and comfortable inside.

AC43

13,630 posts

238 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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Jader1973 said:
Article says “Superb-sized”.

Yup - because the next Superb is supposedly exactly the same body between the A and D pillars (possibly even same bonnet). It is not just the same platform, it is basically the same car.

I’m not sure VAG have ever done that before on two new models from their brands at the same time. I know they used to roll down old Audis to SEAT etc but AFAIK they were never produced at the same time.

The market must not justify two unique estates being developed any more.
Audi 50/VW Polo.

cobra kid

5,595 posts

270 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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A million supplied for sales reps and 5 for private use I reckon.

galro

866 posts

199 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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Jader1973 said:
Article says “Superb-sized”.

Yup - because the next Superb is supposedly exactly the same body between the A and D pillars (possibly even same bonnet). It is not just the same platform, it is basically the same car.

I’m not sure VAG have ever done that before on two new models from their brands at the same time. I know they used to roll down old Audis to SEAT etc but AFAIK they were never produced at the same time.

The market must not justify two unique estates being developed any more.
AC43 said:
Audi 50/VW Polo.
The Vw Up, Seat Mii and the Skoda Citigo.
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Also the Vw Sharan and the Seat Alhambra

loudlashadjuster

6,447 posts

214 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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So, it's Superb-sized, with crappier interior controls, and will no doubt be ~10% more expensive than the equivalent Skoda.

Just...buy the Skoda?

ChrisCh86

1,131 posts

74 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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loudlashadjuster said:
So, it's Superb-sized, with crappier interior controls, and will no doubt be ~10% more expensive than the equivalent Skoda.

Just...buy the Skoda?
Exactly!

That Jag looks lovely though, although it won't be around for much longer.

Surprised that they decided to make the new Superb another 50mm longer, it's already long enough! (I've got a 2016 Superb) It'll be tough to manoeuvre being that long, without rear wheel steer.

Edited by ChrisCh86 on Thursday 31st August 08:14

vikingaero

13,365 posts

199 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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AJ-T said:
The Passat looks great on the inside but the outside is very boring, I’d struggle to have any love for that car.
Agree. The exterior of that new Passat looks very generic, a combination of boring Tesla and Japanese non-descript styling. I actually quite like the looks of my conservative family Bussat.

Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

160 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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It’s not as good as the outgoing one, which I think is a great looking car with is very square design.

Think the superb is better looking tbh

J4CKO

46,889 posts

230 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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Thats sort of handsomely nondescript, with a hint of old Honda Accord about the rear aspect.

Traditional estates and saloon seem almost charmingly retro nowadays in a sea of crossovers and SUVs.


Wab1974uk

1,407 posts

57 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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Bland looking . Awful wheels. Awful dashboard with no buttons or dials for the most simplistic of actions. Infotainment system that probably won't work properly.

Why would anyone want one?

cerb4.5lee

44,813 posts

210 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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Mike1990 said:
I like that. Estates are just cool, and in a world of SUV’s it’s really refreshing to see them still being built!
Some estates like the Audi RS2/RS4/RS6 etc are cool for definite...but I'm not sure if this is though for me.