RE: Mind-blowing Lancia Delta S4 Stradale for sale
RE: Mind-blowing Lancia Delta S4 Stradale for sale
Sunday 24th September 2023

Mind-blowing Lancia Delta S4 Stradale for sale

There are homologation specials, and then there are homologation specials...


The mystique of Group B is going absolutely nowhere, despite being a set of rallying regs first introduced 40 years ago. If anything, the affection for the era has only increased of late, with reimagined cars like the Kimera EV037, MST 6R4 and Audi’s spectacular Hoonitron project introducing a whole new audience to one of the WRC’s most unforgettable periods. The people, cars and places will forever be held up in rallying folklore as iconic.

The requirement to homologate road cars that productionised these mad machines only served to make Group B even more special. A mid-engined Metro or 205 on a special stage was crazy enough; that street cars were built and sold (if, seemingly always, never in the quantities they should have been) must have been almost unbelievable. Even now, it’s crazy to think that T16s, RS200s, Sport Quattros and, er, 4TCs were made for the general public to buy.

Those roadgoing freaks come no more otherworldly than the Lancia Delta S4 Stradale. To have an engine behind the driver was exotic enough, let alone in a vehicle ostensibly related to a Giugiaro-penned front-drive family hatch launched just a few years prior. To have it supercharged or turbocharged would have been a talking point in the mid-80s, too, but the S4 famously went one step further in combining the two for a twincharged best of both worlds. It was underpinned by an evolution of the 037’s spaceframe. It was bold as a rally car, and certifiable as a road car. Though its competition career was cut short, the S4 still won almost half (five out of 12) the events it entered across 1985 and 1986. What might have been?

It's believed that as few as 70 Stradales might have been built (when the official stipulation was for 200), making this wonderfully weird Lancia an incredibly rare vehicle. Chassis number 033 is described by Girardo & Co as one of the best they’ve seen (and they should know, having dealt with a fair few), still just 23,000km old and with Lancia Classiche certification. It’s hard to know what to expect, really, when presented with a Group B road car, though it probably isn’t something so exquisitely trimmed and lavishly appointed. In every sense, it’s stunning.

This Stradale is especially interesting thanks to its time spent with the Baldi brothers Elio and Giovanni in Turin; mechanics with both Lancia and Abarth during Group B and Group A, they’re recognised as the best of the best when it comes to dealing with cars like the Delta S4. Its first visit there saw an upgrade from the standard engine to a ‘Pontenziato’ spec for the 1.8, which meant a leap from 250hp to ‘well over 300hp’. Nice. That was part of a wider, very extensive restoration early in the 2000s, with the Rosso Amaranto Delta having been back to the Baldis just a few years ago for an inspection and service ahead of a recent sale.

There’s far more to this incredible car’s back story than that, but we’ll let you delve into that at your leisure. Suffice it to say the history is well worth reading - cars like these tend to lead quite interesting lives. Today it probably ranks as an almost unrepeatable opportunity to acquire one of the best known Group B road cars around. If the collection of 205, Renault 5, Audi Quattro, Ford RS200 and Metro 6R4 is missing the final puzzle piece, there’s surely no finer one around.

As such, it’s going to be one for the wealthiest of motorsport fans out there, because those vehicles associated with '80s rallying are now being coveted like so many other motorsport genres. Perhaps more so, because of that tangible link between stage and stradale (sorry). RM Auctions sold an even lower mileage one for just over a million euros in 2019; the S4 is surely no less valuable in 2023. It’s certainly still as magnificent.


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wistec1

Original Poster:

800 posts

71 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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I generally like anything that's rare rally and this certainly ticks many boxes having said that I'm not a big fan of the rear end design which looks a bit out of proportion but appreciate it wasn't conceived as a looker and designed to function was the order of the day. It's time in the limelight was fleeting somewhat like my Sunbeam Lotus. On past form the price has to be in excess of 1.5 mil euros for this slice of rally history.which is crazy money when you say it slowly. How much were they new anybody?

xu5

790 posts

187 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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I bought a car from a garage in Blackburn I think it was, they had an S4 in rally spec sitting in the corner which was pretty cool. Up close it looked really fragile for a rally car, you could see where they had cut absolutely as much weight as possible.

FMOB

1,994 posts

42 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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Definitely not the most attractive thing out there but built for a purpose.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p3b26FsrH0E

Leithen

14,047 posts

297 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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Didn’t they have fuel tanks under the seats?

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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Oh wow, what a wonderful thing. Form follows function for sure. No looker but who cares.

howardhughes

1,415 posts

234 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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Just wow. If I remember correctly, the last time i saw one of these was in a magazine feature with Martini livery?
All the panels were open. I looked menacing, seeing it in like this is amazing. Beautiful colour and interior too. What a car cloud9

Pflanzgarten

7,626 posts

55 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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Amazing. I’m not normally the envious type but that Girardo bloke is absolutely living the dream.

ducnick

2,272 posts

273 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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Leithen said:
Didn’t they have fuel tanks under the seats?
Not sure about that. But the story goes that they pressurised the roll cage tubes with nitrous oxide on the rally s4’s so they didn’t need a dedicated separate tank.

xu5

790 posts

187 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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Leithen said:
Didn’t they have fuel tanks under the seats?
I think they did, and skimped on fuel tank protection protection to save further weight. Or so the story goes.

MCBrowncoat

1,764 posts

176 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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Incredible, but these Stradale versions always appear a bit chinless to these eyes. There's a green one (and maybe others) where they've put the rally front end back on, which balances things out somewhat.



Also, Girardo had this for sale a while back

https://girardo.com/car/1986-lancia-delta-s4-strad...


Its Just Adz

18,946 posts

239 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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xu5 said:
I bought a car from a garage in Blackburn I think it was, they had an S4 in rally spec sitting in the corner which was pretty cool. Up close it looked really fragile for a rally car, you could see where they had cut absolutely as much weight as possible.
Do you remember what the garage was called? I grew up in Blackburn and can't think who would have had one of these.
I think I've seen a full rally spec one at CarFest North.

stubert_

88 posts

113 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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Its Just Adz said:
Do you remember what the garage was called? I grew up in Blackburn and can't think who would have had one of these.
I think I've seen a full rally spec one at CarFest North.
Maybe the old Rocket Centre? I think it's Lister Cars now.

GT4P

6,005 posts

215 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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xu5 said:
Leithen said:
Didn’t they have fuel tanks under the seats?
I think they did, and skimped on fuel tank protection protection to save further weight. Or so the story goes.
Yes a didn’t one crash and blow up during a rally or some thing and subsequently banned?

British Beef

2,572 posts

195 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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I think it actually maked the 6R4 look like a supermodel..... not Lancias finest look, but born out of 100% function over form for the purpose of going fast!

stubert_

88 posts

113 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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GT4P said:
Yes a didn’t one crash and blow up during a rally or some thing and subsequently banned?
Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto where killed when their Lancia crashed on the Tour de Corse in 1986. It went down a cliff, into trees and the fuel tank (under the seats) ruptured and exploded.

Group B cars got banned for being too fast for safety. An RS200 crashed into the crowd in Portugal and killed 3 people, then Toivonen's crash and i think a co-driver was killed in another RS200 crash. The FIA banned them from 1987.

LotusOmega375D

9,371 posts

183 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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I think my old Renault 5 Turbo 2 had fuel tanks under the seats.

As for the S4 Stradale, I remember a fellow Group B Car Club member went over to Italy to buy one in the mid 1990s. He was still in Italy on the drive home when a tyre burst. He couldn’t get a replacement at short notice: as you can see from this one, they’re special asymmetric tyres, so had to leave it at a local garage and flew back a couple of weeks later to complete the journey to the UK.

Secondly, the David Sutton collection in Daventry had one, which had been converted in period to semi works specification by its Portuguese owner and used in Group B events at the time.

Finally the Patrick Collection in Birmingham bought one new. It was tested with their other Group B road cars in Performance Car magazine. I still have a copy. A fellow PHer worked there at the time, so can tell you more about it.

Edit: just to add that the first Stradale I saw live was doing demonstration laps of the Monza circuit just before the 1986 Italian Grand Prix. I have a photo of it somewhere.

Also a bit of Group B v Formula 1 myth explained here. https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/henri-toivonen-at-es...

Edited by LotusOmega375D on Sunday 24th September 10:13

Its Just Adz

18,946 posts

239 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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stubert_ said:
Maybe the old Rocket Centre? I think it's Lister Cars now.
Ah yes, they did have some wild stuff in.

thecremeegg

2,097 posts

233 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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PH is funny old place. Apparently it's fine for this car to not be a looker as it's "form over function", yet imagine they brought a modern version out now, it would get slated on here for being ugly...

Silvanus

6,913 posts

53 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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thecremeegg said:
PH is funny old place. Apparently it's fine for this car to not be a looker as it's "form over function", yet imagine they brought a modern version out now, it would get slated on here for being ugly...
I'm a big fan of cars where form follows function, I think there are fair few PHers that do to.

Angelo1985

811 posts

56 months

Sunday 24th September 2023
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“Potenziato”, for crying out loud. Potenziato. Non pontenziato.