RE: Kia reveals EV3 and EV4 concepts, production EV5
RE: Kia reveals EV3 and EV4 concepts, production EV5
Thursday 12th October 2023

Kia reveals EV3 and EV4 concepts, production EV5

Inaugural 'EV Day' sees debuts of new compact crossover and not-a-saloon four-door saloon


Kia’s electric car naming structure can be a bit tricky to follow. The first BEV we received from the Korean car giant was the Soul EV back in 2014, followed by the bland (but actually quite brilliant) e-Niro a few years later. Then came the EV6, built from the ground-up to be an electric car and, therefore, justifying an all-new name. And now it seems the nomenclature has stuck, as the company has announced new EV3 and EV4 concepts, alongside a production version of the EV5 SUV.

Announced as part of the company’s inaugural ‘EV Day’, which is set to become an annual event to showcase the firm’s new EVs, the new concepts take the form of an entry-level compact SUV (that’s the EV3) and a Polestar 2-style raised saloon (the EV4). Kia isn’t giving away any powertrain details this early on, sadly, but judging by the look of the imminent EV9 compared to its concept, there’s a good chance that what you see is what you’ll get at some point in the not-so-distant future.

Let’s start with the Concept EV3, as it’s slated for release next year and will likely become Kia’s new cash cow. Compact crossovers are immensely popular, after all, even if a fair chunk of them are far from thrilling. The Concept EV3, however, aims to take the tech and luxury of its impending EV9, and scale it down into a smaller package. The interior, for instance, adopts a similar design and layout to the flagship SUV, with a floating centre console, outstretched windscreen and digital panel incorporating the instruments and infotainment menus spanning half the dash.

It's still very much a concept, mind, so expect to see more buttons (and more realistic pedals) make their way over to the production car. It should, however, come with ‘soft mood lighting’ that, in Kia’s words, ‘promotes emotional wellbeing’. Kia has also developed a new natural fibre: a lightweight material with similar benefits to carbon fibre - and without the environmental downsides. It’s incorporated into the seats to help save weight, and is paired up with ‘mini tables’ made from a mushroom-based material called Mycelium, serving as a greener alternative to plastics. It’s softer too, apparently.

Over to the Concept EV4, which adopts the same cabin layout as the EV3, only now in a saloon body. Only Kia doesn’t want you to call it that, claiming that its ‘sleek low nose’ and ‘long-tail silhouette’ are more reminiscent of sports and racing cars, meaning it qualifies as ‘an entirely new type of EV saloon.’ However Kia wants to label it, the EV4 will still go up against the Tesla Model 3, Polestar 2, Hyundai Ioniq 6 and other four-door EVs commonly referred to as saloons.

While Kia hasn’t revealed any technical details for its new concepts, we do have battery and motor specs for the new EV5. Strangely, the line-up varies depending on whether it’s a Chinese or Korean model. Those built in China for the local market come with either 64kWh or 88kWh batteries, with power ranging from 218hp to 313hp. In Korea, that drops to 58kWh and 81kWh, while outputs range from 218hp to 306hp, although the company says the powertrains are still under development and could change come release day. A GT version is in the works too but, again, Kia is playing its cards close to its chest.

Spencer Cho, Kia’s head of business planning, says: “the EV market is expanding from one catering to the smaller early-adopter group to a broader mass majority of customers. As a leader in the great EV transition, we have quickly expanded our EV line-up beyond the EV6 and EV9 to include a variety of small- and medium-sized models such as the EV5. Our competitive, growing EV line-up will accelerate the popularisation of electric vehicles and provide consumers with more options from which to choose.”

That ‘popularisation’ of EVs is set to kick off imminently, with both the EV5 and production-ready EV3 due to arrive next year. We’ll have to wait a little longer for region-specific pricing, but Kia says that EV3 to EV5 will cost between $35,000 and $50,000 (or £28,500 and £40,600). If the sci-fi styling didn’t grab your attention, those prices certainly should.


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RSTurboPaul

Original Poster:

13,106 posts

288 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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Those wheels (and indeed some on existing EVs) look as heavy as the moon.

Surely reducing unsprung weight would reduce suspension component weight and energy use required to rotate the wheels / drive the vehicle forward, both of which would give benefits in terms of reduced energy use?

911Spanker

3,685 posts

46 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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They look good to me. Something for bobbing around e.g. doing the shopping, school run etc.

nismo48

7,100 posts

237 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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Quite a funky piece of car design and the wheels are definitely interesting to 'Behold ' wink

Zetec-S

6,910 posts

123 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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Another day, another hideous looking EV is announced. I'm sure if they achieve anything close to that entry price they'll do well. And I'm sure they'll be decent cars. But they just leave me cold.

GT9

9,016 posts

202 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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RSTurboPaul said:
Those wheels (and indeed some on existing EVs) look as heavy as the moon.

Surely reducing unsprung weight would reduce suspension component weight and energy use required to rotate the wheels / drive the vehicle forward, both of which would give benefits in terms of reduced energy use?
Aero drag is a continuous energy sapping force on the car which increases with the square of speed.
Closing the face of the wheel improves the car's drag co-efficient, the energy savings from that significantly outweigh anything due to the very marginal increase in mass.
For the kinetic energy of the car, and the inertia of the wheels themselves, most of that energy is recovered via regen.

Rusty Old-Banger

7,761 posts

243 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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I love those.

Minecraft cars!

RSTurboPaul

Original Poster:

13,106 posts

288 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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GT9 said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Those wheels (and indeed some on existing EVs) look as heavy as the moon.

Surely reducing unsprung weight would reduce suspension component weight and energy use required to rotate the wheels / drive the vehicle forward, both of which would give benefits in terms of reduced energy use?
Aero drag is a continuous energy sapping force on the car which increases with the square of speed.
Closing the face of the wheel improves the car's drag co-efficient, the energy savings from that significantly outweigh anything due to the very marginal increase in mass.
For the kinetic energy of the car, and the inertia of the wheels themselves, most of that energy is recovered via regen.
Thanks for bringing the science smile

I did wonder about the aerodynamics side of things.

If a 'moon disc' wheel is better for aero and (say) a lightweight 5-spoke alloy wheel is best for weight (putting to one side regen etc.) then are we back to using hubcaps? tongue out

cookie1600

2,733 posts

191 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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Getting one step ahead of the Lego release then?

Nomme de Plum

7,050 posts

46 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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RSTurboPaul said:
GT9 said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Those wheels (and indeed some on existing EVs) look as heavy as the moon.

Surely reducing unsprung weight would reduce suspension component weight and energy use required to rotate the wheels / drive the vehicle forward, both of which would give benefits in terms of reduced energy use?
Aero drag is a continuous energy sapping force on the car which increases with the square of speed.
Closing the face of the wheel improves the car's drag co-efficient, the energy savings from that significantly outweigh anything due to the very marginal increase in mass.
For the kinetic energy of the car, and the inertia of the wheels themselves, most of that energy is recovered via regen.
Thanks for bringing the science smile

I did wonder about the aerodynamics side of things.

If a 'moon disc' wheel is better for aero and (say) a lightweight 5-spoke alloy wheel is best for weight (putting to one side regen etc.) then are we back to using hubcaps? tongue out
Looks can be deceptive. Manufactures will make them as light as possible for the loadings required and material used.

is1

192 posts

178 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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RSTurboPaul said:
Thanks for bringing the science smile

I did wonder about the aerodynamics side of things.

If a 'moon disc' wheel is better for aero and (say) a lightweight 5-spoke alloy wheel is best for weight (putting to one side regen etc.) then are we back to using hubcaps? tongue out
Or perhaps something like Renault Clio 16v turbines?

GT9

9,016 posts

202 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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RSTurboPaul said:
GT9 said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Those wheels (and indeed some on existing EVs) look as heavy as the moon.

Surely reducing unsprung weight would reduce suspension component weight and energy use required to rotate the wheels / drive the vehicle forward, both of which would give benefits in terms of reduced energy use?
Aero drag is a continuous energy sapping force on the car which increases with the square of speed.
Closing the face of the wheel improves the car's drag co-efficient, the energy savings from that significantly outweigh anything due to the very marginal increase in mass.
For the kinetic energy of the car, and the inertia of the wheels themselves, most of that energy is recovered via regen.
Thanks for bringing the science smile

I did wonder about the aerodynamics side of things.

If a 'moon disc' wheel is better for aero and (say) a lightweight 5-spoke alloy wheel is best for weight (putting to one side regen etc.) then are we back to using hubcaps? tongue out
Yes indeed.

Removing the Tesla Model 3 aero covers is a fairly well discussed topic on the web.
The removal drops the average range by about 3-4% but improves the looks 100% according to some...
Regarding the effect of mass, removing the entire mass of the battery (hypothetically) would improve average range by about 10%.
This number varies with the drive cycle, for a continuous motorway cruise it would be about 5%.
Aero drag will be by far the biggest drain on the battery.
A drive with lots of use of the accelerator and brake might push it up as high as 15%, but aero drag would still be considerably higher.
The magnitude of energy lost to rolling resistance per mile remains almost constant regardless of what speed or type of driving you are doing.


markcoopers

780 posts

223 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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I know design is often cyclical, but there appears to be a bit too much BL/Rover influence here.......That steering wheel with 2 spokes and quadratic look, square design wheels....looking at you MG Meastro.

Next year i am expecting the return of the Wedge design profile.

SkodaIan

1,020 posts

115 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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markcoopers said:
I know design is often cyclical, but there appears to be a bit too much BL/Rover influence here.......That steering wheel with 2 spokes and quadratic look, square design wheels....looking at you MG Meastro.

Next year i am expecting the return of the Wedge design profile.
I was thinking more Austin Allegro with that steering wheel.
What the cars most make be think of though is Fred Flintstone's car with those square wheels....

Wab1974uk

1,405 posts

57 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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I hate the interiors more than I hate the exteriors.

J4CKO

46,879 posts

230 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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markcoopers said:
I know design is often cyclical, but there appears to be a bit too much BL/Rover influence here.......That steering wheel with 2 spokes and quadratic look, square design wheels....looking at you MG Meastro.

Next year i am expecting the return of the Wedge design profile.
I think its already here, look at a Hyundai Ioniq 5, definite shades of 1800/2200/Princess Wedge going on.

If you took this,




Put 45 years of updates and development in, I think it would look a bit like this.




I was thinking this, then Richard Porter on the Sniff and Smith podcast said it, so not the only one.

SDK

3,563 posts

283 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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RSTurboPaul said:
Those wheels (and indeed some on existing EVs) look as heavy as the moon.

Surely reducing unsprung weight would reduce suspension component weight and energy use required to rotate the wheels / drive the vehicle forward, both of which would give benefits in terms of reduced energy use?
They will be plastic covers over a standard steel wheel

Ian974

3,201 posts

229 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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Does nothing for me, looks like someone left the resolution set too low while rendering it

florian

299 posts

304 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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It's funny, I used to laugh about the design of the American cars of the "Malaise era" (1973-1983): Rectangular lights, rectangular, dials, rectangular steering wheels, everything rectangular and ugly. We have not come full circle and EVs are picking up on that design again.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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Volvo would like their designs back. I like both, but very like various xc and Polestar models.

ChrisCh86

1,130 posts

74 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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Not more crossovers!

Where's my estate option?


At least they're an interesting design that's not hideously offensive (i.e. BMW), so that's a plus.