RE: Porsche 911 Turbo (996) | PH Private Area
RE: Porsche 911 Turbo (996) | PH Private Area
Wednesday 18th October 2023

Porsche 911 Turbo (996) | PH Private Area

A manual 996 Turbo is very cool already - this one has more than 500hp...


There’s a case to be made for the Porsche 911 Turbo being perhaps the most complete car on sale today. It has (almost) four seats, can blend in like no super SUV can, boasts all-wheel drive traction, does almost 30mpg and scares superbikes in a straight line. Corners pretty epically, too. As an all things to all people kind of super sports car, there’s little beating it. 

The modern 911 Turbo success story begins with the 996. Yes, the 993 equivalent was the first four-wheel drive Turbo, but it was an aging car by the mid-90s. The leap in terms of modernity and technology was huge, the 996 Turbo representing the peak of Porsche at the turn of the 21st century, with PSM stability control for the first time, an electronically adjustable rear spoiler and the option of an auto. The all-conquering, all-encompassing tech fest that is a new Turbo starts with this car. 

Crucially, however, there were a couple of key elements to the 996’s make-up that means it now holds plenty of old-school appeal. First is that Mezger flat-six, of which enough has been written and raved about over the years; the second is the standard manual gearbox. As automatics became better with the introduction of PDK in the 997, so the manual was inevitably shuffled off in the pursuit of absolute performance. But as a usable modern classic, it’s the manual that’s more in demand.

Despite being held in very high regard early in its life, the 996 Turbo enjoyed its period in the doldrums like almost all the fried egg cars. It wasn’t as cool as an air-cooled 993, and once the 997 came along - going even faster again with a more familiar 911 look - the 996’s popularity suffered. Now feels like its time though, the car old enough to offer a traditional experience by modern standards for a huge amount less than a 993 - while retaining that famous engine. A good manual coupe feels like a great 996 Turbo to have. So look what we have here…

Anybody who’s spent time researching Turbos will find plenty that don’t appeal for one reason or another. But this one really does seem to have everything going for it: purchased from Porsche specialist MLR, upgraded by MLR to more than 500hp with some more boost, a two-inch thick folder of history, a really comprehensive advert and even a CarPlay install. Nobody wants to put up with infotainment from 2003 if they don’t have to…

It’s currently on 110,000 miles, with a Porsche engine rebuild at 59k because of a warranty issue. It’s been with the current owner for the past 10,000 miles, in which time the clutch has been upgraded (handy for those that want to add even more power), the tyres, discs and pads renewed and every single underbody line replaced. Plus two services. Talk about diligence. The results speak for themselves - this looks anything but a 20-year-old 911 with a six-figure mileage. Stands out among some less-than-brilliant 996 Turbos as well. It looks cherished and doted on, basically, which the detail in the advert supports. Having chatted with the seller on the phone (thanks for your time, Rory!), he’s clearly very fond of his old 911. As well he might be. 

The Turbo is being sold because it’s not being used enough. As stated in the ad, ‘these cars are for driving and not for sitting in storage!’ - amen to that. The mileage means it’s one of the more affordable 996 Turbos currently on PH, just sneaking in below £40k, but that means there’s no need to be precious about adding a good few more; the history and the mechanical spec mean that’ll surely be pretty hard to resist. 


See the original advert here

 

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garypotter

Original Poster:

2,069 posts

180 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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Stunning car but not for me, i would pay extra for a lower mileage non messed about with car as an "INVESTMENT" as he said to the wife...

m444ttb

3,183 posts

259 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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I’ve always really wanted a 996 Turbo. My budget never quite got to their falling values sadly but I still love my 996.2 C4. I think either a Lapis blue or Guards red over black leather manual car with no aero kit would be my ideal. X51 (or is it X50?) pack would be a nice to have but I’m sure I’d end up going for some upgrades from the likes of 9e either way!

Water Fairy

6,608 posts

185 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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A friend had a blue (riviera) one with the X50 pack

Went like a stabbed rat and was like a limpet through the corners

I think he made a 30k profit on that one


simonsti

288 posts

174 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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They are great cars, but with that mileage it is a little over valued.

I love mine what ever it's worth.

Quhet

2,938 posts

176 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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Lovely car. Shame there's no pictures of the interior in the advert - a must you'd have thought at that (any?) price point

stuckmojo

4,078 posts

218 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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I know the car - can be seen in a youtube video somewhere.

It's a great bit of kit.

I was tempted myself.

Edit - no it's not the car I know. Still, lot of Porsche for the money. We'll regret not buying 996 Turbo manuals for below 40k

Bladedancer

1,458 posts

226 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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So, the ugly duckling of 911 dynasty is coming of age. Not that many "wot, it's water cooled?" comments anymore.
Turbo is a sound investment now and most likely a nice car (never owned or driven one), though I personally wouldn't touch a tuned 911, unless a major well-known company did it (think someone like Ruf).

But it's good to see that 996 is bouncing back and taking its rightful place in 911 lineup.

Venisonpie

4,847 posts

112 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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A leggy messed about with old supercar that's had an engine rebuild for undeclared reasons, seller "out of the country" and only accepting contact via email. All for 40 large! Bargain.

RSstuff

1,248 posts

45 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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Has it had 4 Mezger engine rebuilds, it says so 4 times in the advert...

Hoofy

80,074 posts

312 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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How funny. First the TT article and now this. Is someone watching what is on my drive? I expect an article about wheelie bins and fox crap tomorrow.

As for 996 Turbos, I know everyone says they're an everyday car and that they are too boring to be considered when buying a special car but even when I'm just driving through my housing estate to the main road, it feels so different to driving a hatchback. It feels like an event. Mine's standard and in good health, although I keep meaning to get a more interesting exhaust.

As for being an everyday car, the suspension is pretty firm and I actually find it a bit of a PITA for just popping to the shops. I'd rather jump in the TT than the Porsche - it's a bit tiring to drive. Sure, it's no Ariel Atom but you're constantly looking out for potholes and idiots. In the TT, it's a much more leisurely drive (but you can still have fun in the twisties).

But no, I'm not selling it until I can convince myself that an upgrade is worthwhile.

NGK210

5,015 posts

175 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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PH said:
There’s a case to be made for the Porsche 911 Turbo being perhaps the most complete car on sale today.
Please, let’s stop pedalling this Weissach-spawned myth.
How can a 911 Turbo be a ‘complete car’ if, when cruising at 80+, its cabin sounds like a C47 Dakota‘s when flying through a sandstorm?

g7jhp

7,034 posts

268 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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Great cars. Mines a standard manual coupe in slate grey with the x50 pack.

Caddyshack

14,913 posts

236 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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Some comments about ‘messed with" or staying away from a tuned 911. 500hp on one of these is merely a tickle with the boost. I have driven a low 500 one and it felt almost sedate, you need to go very fast before these feel like they are going quickly. They can run 600 hp with not much done to them and be perfectly reliable.

Niffty951

2,399 posts

258 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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Caddyshack said:
Some comments about ‘messed with" or staying away from a tuned 911. 500hp on one of these is merely a tickle with the boost. I have driven a low 500 one and it felt almost sedate, you need to go very fast before these feel like they are going quickly. They can run 600 hp with not much done to them and be perfectly reliable.
Tested. Mine ran track days in 30+ degree air temperature with over 600hp and never even broke a sweat. I worried about it less than many factory standard cars on track. That engine is a superb thing.

Mr Whippy

32,453 posts

271 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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Gonna be less nice to drive though shirley?

I’d be looking for a standard or x50.

Tuned cars would probably need to be discounted quite a bit for my tastes.

Mr Whippy

32,453 posts

271 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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Niffty951 said:
Caddyshack said:
Some comments about ‘messed with" or staying away from a tuned 911. 500hp on one of these is merely a tickle with the boost. I have driven a low 500 one and it felt almost sedate, you need to go very fast before these feel like they are going quickly. They can run 600 hp with not much done to them and be perfectly reliable.
Tested. Mine ran track days in 30+ degree air temperature with over 600hp and never even broke a sweat. I worried about it less than many factory standard cars on track. That engine is a superb thing.
So the factory calibrations and design doing their job to stop any problems.

And a “tuner” opening it up a bit and leaning on the great factory work more and more?

While I appreciate some tuners are good, they’re not offering warranties and they’d be utterly incapable of writing half of these tables from empty, if they even know what half of them do.

Ie, why did Porsche spec bigger laggier turbos for x50 if standard could just be tuned up a bit?


I’m all for people to do as they wish. But the ‘it’s all fine’ hubris wouldn’t reassure me as a used buyer at 20yrs old on such a car.

g7jhp

7,034 posts

268 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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Mr Whippy said:
Gonna be less nice to drive though shirley?

I’d be looking for a standard or x50.

Tuned cars would probably need to be discounted quite a bit for my tastes.
To be fair, it's more about who did the work. If it's a respected tuner like 9e or Fearnsport then your in good hands.

Some say the X50 (450) has more lag than stock (420, but I haven't noticed it's just rapid and so planted especially in wet conditions.

Caddyshack

14,913 posts

236 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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Mr Whippy said:
Niffty951 said:
Caddyshack said:
Some comments about ‘messed with" or staying away from a tuned 911. 500hp on one of these is merely a tickle with the boost. I have driven a low 500 one and it felt almost sedate, you need to go very fast before these feel like they are going quickly. They can run 600 hp with not much done to them and be perfectly reliable.
Tested. Mine ran track days in 30+ degree air temperature with over 600hp and never even broke a sweat. I worried about it less than many factory standard cars on track. That engine is a superb thing.
So the factory calibrations and design doing their job to stop any problems.

And a “tuner” opening it up a bit and leaning on the great factory work more and more?

While I appreciate some tuners are good, they’re not offering warranties and they’d be utterly incapable of writing half of these tables from empty, if they even know what half of them do.

Ie, why did Porsche spec bigger laggier turbos for x50 if standard could just be tuned up a bit?


I’m all for people to do as they wish. But the ‘it’s all fine’ hubris wouldn’t reassure me as a used buyer at 20yrs old on such a car.
I suspect the bigger turbos may be a marketing thing as you wouldn’t pay loads for a remap at the dealer (perhaps)? It is odd as the standard turbos are off the shelf and have been used in other cars with more boost…it might just be the TUV thing that if you claim a hp it must still be at that hp at 100,000 miles?

Many of the tuners would know what every bit of those tables do, they just don’t need to touch them. If you look at euro 5 motorbikes now they come so lean that they do not ride as well as they could and they pop and bang when they don’t if mapped to be richer.

Yes, there will be bad tuners but I suspect the average 996T owner who had them mapped bought the car when over 60k, I doubt they went to the cheapest unknown…most likely a reputable 996 specialist.

I used Mark Shead to take my Cossie over 500hp, he gets flown all over the world to map engines, he has done 2x1000hp Lambo engines in a speed boat abroad. I expect he knows as much as any manufacturer would do and likely more about pushing boundaries….oddly he daily’s a 600hp 996t.

stavr0ss

269 posts

158 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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NGK210 said:
PH said:
There’s a case to be made for the Porsche 911 Turbo being perhaps the most complete car on sale today.
Please, let’s stop pedalling this Weissach-spawned myth.
How can a 911 Turbo be a ‘complete car’ if, when cruising at 80+, its cabin sounds like a C47 Dakota‘s when flying through a sandstorm?
The Jaguar lounge is right this way, sir…

GreatScott2016

2,527 posts

118 months

Wednesday 18th October 2023
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Not my favorite model, but always refreshing to see one with some miles under its belt smile