RE: Smart Roadster Brabus | Spotted
RE: Smart Roadster Brabus | Spotted
Monday 30th October 2023

Smart Roadster Brabus | Spotted

Brabus is positioning itself to exploit new revenue streams - wouldn't be the first time...


It’s hard not to think what might have been for the Smart Roadster. After all, here was a small, light, stiff, stylish sports car with the might of Mercedes-Benz behind it. The drop-top Smart and its coupe sibling should have been the car to get enthusiasts behind the brand, to build a legacy that proved downsized engines and small footprints didn’t have to mean downsized fun. 

As it was, the Roadster didn’t quite hit the spot. The semi-automatic gearbox frustrated when new, as did a high price. As used prospects, issues around leaking have put plenty off. Not to mention the idea that you could pay similar money for a much bigger engine elsewhere. There have always been reasons not to buy a Smart, then. But also plenty in its favour: an unmistakeable, thrummy three-cylinder soundtrack, the freedom and fun of piloting a car less than 3.5m long and 800kg in weight, plus the feel-good factor of owning a (sort of) shrunken supercar. Even 20 years later, nothing attracts attention at this money like a Smart Roadster. 

The well-documented reliability issues have meant dwindling numbers over the years. When repair costs mount as values fall, it becomes uneconomical; without the sort of following cars like the Mazda MX-5 enjoy, spending a lot on sorting a Smart out becomes hard to justify. The flipside of that is that plenty of those remaining are now really, really good, cared for by enthusiasts with all the advice adhered to (store it in a dry place and keep the servicing up-to-date). 

This Roadster looks fab. It’s a Brabus, which can be identified by the lower ride height and blingy rims. It brought more power and more grip than standard, though typically the standard car is preferred as a driving experience. No bother - this looked too good to miss. It’s only had two owners from new, the second of those since 2008, and the seller promises a great history with it. There are less than 50,000 miles under the pristine monoblock alloy wheels (with four matching tyres), and an interior that was never known for being tough or expensive has stood the test of time well. 

There are cheaper Smart Roadsters around, though invariably they don’t look quite as good. Plenty will have a lot of owners, perhaps as the reality of its quirks takes more getting used to than expected. The Smart’s sports car contemporaries remain available for similar money as well, even if they’ll offer up quite different two-seat experiences: see Fiat Barchetta and MG TF. Amazing to think there was a time with more than one affordable sports car on sale…

Those familiar with modern automatic gearboxes will find the Smart takes a bit of getting used to. Like so many performance cars of the mid-2000s, it’s such a shame they didn't benefit from later transmission tech. But those familiar with heavy, enormous, complicated sports cars will find plenty to enjoy here as well, from 50mpg to mid-engined thrills for £8k. Just make sure to pack light...


SPECIFICATION | SMART ROADSTER BRABUS

Engine: 698cc three-cylinder, turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed automated manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 101@5,250rpm
Torque (lb ft): 96@2,500rpm
MPG: 54.3
CO2: 121g/km
Year registered: 2006
Recorded mileage: 47,000
Price new: £16,995 (2004)
Yours for: £8,500

See the original advert here





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MissChief

Original Poster:

7,636 posts

186 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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If they gave this a 6 speed manual and 150HP it would've likely flown out of the door.

biggbn

28,301 posts

238 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Absolutely fantastic. I had the 450 Brabus and adored the wee car. Proper modern classic to my eyes, both.

CKY

2,257 posts

33 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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MissChief said:
If they gave this a 6 speed manual and 150HP it would've likely flown out of the door.
Always thought the gearbox was a great shame - aside from that, the archaic/unnecessary ESP system and the dead/lifeless electric power steering the cars themselves were good fun for not a massive amount of money. For £2k they were fun little cars, for >£8k not sure what you'd have to be smoking but not for me in this lifetime - maybe if it was the Brabus twin-engined Smart Roadster i'd pay £8k... scratchchin

Drivebyabuser

33 posts

223 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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I'm hooning about in chipped a 450 Brabus ForTwo at the moment. It does make town driving a giggle. Flat out everywhere, bit of slide out of wet corners, stops on a sixpence. You have to drive round the gearbox but its not as joy sapping as everyone makes out if you work with it. Would rather drive to the shops in this than anything else. Costs buttons to run them as well.

satfinal

2,623 posts

180 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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700cc turbo charged and about 100bhp is textbook sporty kei-car territory. Shame we never really got any of the good ones in the UK

asci.white

495 posts

91 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Drivebyabuser said:
I'm hooning about in chipped a 450 Brabus ForTwo at the moment. It does make town driving a giggle. Flat out everywhere, bit of slide out of wet corners, stops on a sixpence. You have to drive round the gearbox but its not as joy sapping as everyone makes out if you work with it. Would rather drive to the shops in this than anything else. Costs buttons to run them as well.
Good to read a positive report from someone that owns one. (c:

dunnoreally

1,350 posts

126 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Price seems steep until you think how perfect a thing it would probably be for London in particular.

As others have said, fab concept which seems to have been let down by a few questionable design choices.

Could probably say the same for the last petrol Brabus Fortwo and it's Twingo, errr, twin, come to think of it.

Baldchap

9,252 posts

110 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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I had a Brabus Roadster Coupe (same with a larger boot and arguably better looking) for a good few years.

The ownership community was great fun. The car was too, if you accept it'll never be fast and the handling is nowhere near what you would expect for something like this. What often spoiled it was how absolutely unrealistic owners are about the handling and speed. I remember one owner actually rolled one in the lakes thanks to the ESP not turning off, but down and then kicking in just as the owner had steered into it.

The gearbox could be driven around to a large extent but it'll never go down in history as anything but the car's main, glaring weakness, along with SAM unit failures and in later years needing complete engine rebuilds, though the Roadsters resist this more than the equivalent ForTwo.

So near yet so far from greatness.

Baldchap

9,252 posts

110 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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satfinal said:
700cc turbo charged and about 100bhp is textbook sporty kei-car territory. Shame we never really got any of the good ones in the UK
Turbo Copen was quite good fun as long as you are deaf and can't hear the rattles. Oh, and keep the roof on to prevent scuttle shake. Oh, and they were only 64bhp.

Actually, don't buy a 660 Copen either (even though technically I did as it was the Girl's first car, albeit in 1.3 guise). laugh

JJJ.

3,494 posts

33 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Great looking cars and really interesting too. A desirable car too for a bit fun, just a shame about the g/box and the reliability issues.
'What could have been' seems to sum it up.




bigandclever

14,106 posts

256 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Whenever I see one of these I'm reminded of the 'David meets Goliath' thread from about a hundred years ago. Really need to get out more.

smithyithy

7,722 posts

136 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Always thought these looked good, especially in Brabus / coupe form... I just don't think they offer an 8 grand driving experience...


romac

608 posts

164 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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"Insurance"
The one word why these were problematic. I knew a young chap who really wanted on, but insurance for a relatively new driver was utterly outrageous. More than twice the cost of insuring the Elise he eventually got!

C5_Steve

6,502 posts

121 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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smithyithy said:
Always thought these looked good, especially in Brabus / coupe form... I just don't think they offer an 8 grand driving experience...
Yeah I always preferred the coupe over the roadster although this one in all silver seems to hide the fact it looks like it's missing a bit at the back.

I agree on the driving experience part but they all seem to be around this price, who knew?!

Newbie2023

324 posts

28 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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CKY said:
Always thought the gearbox was a great shame - aside from that, the archaic/unnecessary ESP system and the dead/lifeless electric power steering the cars themselves were good fun for not a massive amount of money. For £2k they were fun little cars, for >£8k not sure what you'd have to be smoking but not for me in this lifetime - maybe if it was the Brabus twin-engined Smart Roadster i'd pay £8k... scratchchin
How many Brabus roadsters have been £2k?

biggbn

28,301 posts

238 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Drivebyabuser said:
I'm hooning about in chipped a 450 Brabus ForTwo at the moment. It does make town driving a giggle. Flat out everywhere, bit of slide out of wet corners, stops on a sixpence. You have to drive round the gearbox but its not as joy sapping as everyone makes out if you work with it. Would rather drive to the shops in this than anything else. Costs buttons to run them as well.
I never felt the gearbox a hindrance in any of the four smart 450 I had. Brabus was a blast.

autumnsum

435 posts

49 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Had one of these, although I had the coupe version with the boot (I think it makes the car look way better).

Still one of my favourite ever cars. Super cheap to run and repair.

Like having a go-kart on the road.

I only paid around £2k for mine years ago, I've noticed they go for a lot more now, not surprised, great little cars.

Newbie2023

324 posts

28 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Baldchap said:
I had a Brabus Roadster Coupe (same with a larger boot and arguably better looking) for a good few years.

The ownership community was great fun. The car was too, if you accept it'll never be fast and the handling is nowhere near what you would expect for something like this. What often spoiled it was how absolutely unrealistic owners are about the handling and speed. I remember one owner actually rolled one in the lakes thanks to the ESP not turning off, but down and then kicking in just as the owner had steered into it.

The gearbox could be driven around to a large extent but it'll never go down in history as anything but the car's main, glaring weakness, along with SAM unit failures and in later years needing complete engine rebuilds, though the Roadsters resist this more than the equivalent ForTwo.

So near yet so far from greatness.
I had one from new towards the end of their production run, they were heavily discounted at that point for a pre-registered example. Our's was a 56 reg I believe and was fully loaded which meant it had the, now comical looking I imagine, satnav unit and the hard top thrown in.

It was a really enjoyable little car which I thought looked the business. My partner was only recently back to driving after a long period away as the result of a horrific experience and I doubt she would have made that step if it wasn't for the Brabus.

I prefer using an automated manual, as opposed to dual clutch equipped cars, for the most part as I like the interaction but even so the gearbox was never anything other than average at best. Didn't completely spoil the party though.

I actually thought that the Brabus' problem was that the big wheel/tyre combination gave it too much traction for the rest of the package to be exploitable. It could never be provoked into anything other than gripping and going in my experience but then we didn't have it for too long as my partner thought it would be a good idea to get pregnant which ultimately meant it had to go. They were no longer available new by this point though so we didn't actually lose anything on it which was a silver lining.

More power could have been the answer but I personally think that defeats the purpose in something very small and light. I'd have preferred far less mechanical grip myself so that it could at least be overpowered every once in a while.

Edited by Newbie2023 on Monday 30th October 17:08

redroadster

1,884 posts

250 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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My roadster gearbox felt fine not sure if some were too slow lots of people say so ,got to say one of most fun cars I've ever driven and v v economical ,unless you drive one you will never know how brilliant these cars are ,plenty of lower priced non brabus versions which are worth buying .

Equus

16,980 posts

119 months

Monday 30th October 2023
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Baldchap said:
...the handling is nowhere near what you would expect for something like this.
I had one (a Brabus Roadster Coupe) and I didn't think the handling was half bad... I could routinely drift it round my favourite roundabouts, which was something just about achievable but much trickier with an S1 Elise.

The gearbox was truly dreadful though, and the roof mechanism was Christmas cracker level of engineering quality.

The standard steering wheel is like something out of a bus, too: there was an optional smaller one, but they're like hen's teeth and hence quite expensive second hand (if you can find one).


Edited by Equus on Wednesday 1st November 11:38