RE: First look at final petrol-powered VW Golf GTI
RE: First look at final petrol-powered VW Golf GTI
Tuesday 9th January 2024

First look at final petrol-powered VW Golf GTI

The incoming Mk8.5 Golf will mark the end of an era - probably fitting then that it looks familiar


That the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas has become more and more important for car makers over the past decade reflects how vital the in-car entertainment experience now is. So much so, in fact, that VW is teasing the new Golf GTI at CES this year - but only wants to talk about the introduction of ChatGPT to its lineup. 

So the car will have to wait a second, because the AI comes first. VW has worked with Cerence to incorporate 'automotive-grade' ChatGPT into cars with the IDA voice assistant (a lot of MEB and MQB evo-based machines) through something called Cerence Chat Pro. All that will be required from those onboard is to say “Hello IDA”, or a press of the voice assistant button on the wheel. VW says that personal data won’t be affected because ChatGPT has no access to vehicle information; instead, it aims simply to improve the efficacy of voice control because the AI will make the car capable of more things. To begin with, it’ll be navigation requests and general knowledge queries, but VW envisages a future - as ChatGPT improves - where it can ‘be helpful on many levels during a car journey: enriching conversations, clearing up questions, interacting in intuitive language, receiving vehicle-specific information, and much more – purely hands-free.’ Yikes. 

It’s coming soon, too, set to be a standard feature from Q2 this year ‘in many production vehicles’; VW says it’s the first volume maker to do so. One of those cars will be the updated Golf, including what is expected to be the last-ever GTI powered exclusively by a petrol engine. The shift from Mk8 to Mk8.5 is not expected to be a seismic one, although the expectation is that VW will seek to offer more power from the familiar 2.0-litre unit and yet again tweak the model's handling dynamic - hopefully to befit its end-of-an-era status. 

Evidently, the styling is going to be similarly evolutionary, though, encouragingly, the car does look a tad more exciting than before. Compared to the outgoing Clubsport, the rear diffuser is more prominent, the exhausts larger, the front end just a little more aggressive and the wheels pinched from a Golf R. As first official looks go, it seems like good news, basically, even if there’s only so much to deduce from a disguised car with so little said about it. 

The new interior is here, however, fully exposed for all to see. And, well, anyone hoping for a drastic change is in for a bit of a shock: this still looks like a Golf 8 cabin, which means the controversial slider controls for temperature remain, as do the gearbox switch, tiny paddles and square of plastic for light controls. The biggest upgrade so far appears to be the larger infotainment screen, as in cars like the ID 7. But really the size of that display felt like the last thing that needed addressing. Perhaps this version of the Golf interior will feel much nicer and work more seamlessly than before - so let’s not judge just yet. This definitely isn’t the transformation some might have been expecting, based on VW's assertion that it would seek to improve the model's usability. At least proper buttons on the wheel mean you won’t summon the voice assistant by accident. 

Kai Grünitz, VW’s board member for tech development, said: “Volkswagen has always democratised technology and made it accessible to the many. This is simply ingrained in our DNA. As a result, we are now the first volume manufacturer to make this innovative technology a standard feature in vehicles from the compact segment upwards. Thanks to the seamless integration of ChatGPT and strong collaboration with our partner, Cerence, we are offering our drivers added value and direct access to the AI-based research tool. This also underlines the innovative strength of our new products”. It’ll be a fun one to try out, for sure. Though hopefully not as fun as actually driving what looks like being the last Golf GTI with a proper engine. More (presumably) to follow on that very soon.  


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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,967 posts

248 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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Have a feeling this may well be one of the better GTI's VW has made. I hope so...!

epom

14,942 posts

191 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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Too expensive, too slow, too bland, none bought with £pound notes, needs to be lower, needs to be more comfortable, needs to be 950kg, needs to lap the ring in 4 mins oh and too VW.


Pob17

33 posts

63 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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So the new steering wheel is one from a Golf 8 Life

Rusty Old-Banger

7,754 posts

243 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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Last thing I want is voice control, imagine the kids in the back constantly asking the car to make it hotter, colder, whatever. They can't agree what day of the week it is, let alone how warm the car should be, whether windows should be open or not, what is on the radio etc. Just leave it all to me to do quietly, from the drivers seat, with no need for their input.

Olivera

8,777 posts

269 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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Been waiting for the Mk8.5 GTI/R to see what they are like. The Mk8 reliability (software) debacles just made me avoid them.

skylarking808

1,219 posts

116 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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Do not think the mk 1 golf was stuffed full of tech, so this is just marketing.
Every review criticised the heater controls but VW think they know best.
Missed opportunity to send the golf in (PH) style.

Zetec-S

6,898 posts

123 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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Interesting teaser, possibly the first Golf I've liked the look of since the Mk5. I await with interest - if I remain in the hot hatch market it could be one to go for when I decide to replace my Mk3 Focus ST.

AlexMG

89 posts

177 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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That steering wheel is getting retro fitted to every MK8 sold.

someday

173 posts

189 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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Anyone else thinking Knight Industries Two Thousand?

burman

361 posts

243 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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Rusty Old-Banger said:
Last thing I want is voice control, imagine the kids in the back constantly asking the car to make it hotter, colder, whatever. They can't agree what day of the week it is, let alone how warm the car should be, whether windows should be open or not, what is on the radio etc. Just leave it all to me to do quietly, from the drivers seat, with no need for their input.
Agreed, in fact I do not want any of the new tech mentioned just a newer version of my excellent MK7.5 GT 150 Diesel.
Also I believe the 8.5 comes with all that lane assist and speed limit guff like all 24 on cars. 2019 looks like peak car to me.

C5_Steve

8,934 posts

133 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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I like that, not 100% on the rear but I can see the lights are masked off a bit. Front end looks good and the interior looks very nice.

fantheman80

2,618 posts

79 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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‘be helpful on many levels during a car journey: enriching conversations, clearing up questions"

Chat GPT, when exactly will Skynet take over?

Arsecati

2,781 posts

147 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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Thank phuq I'm old, as by the time all this AI craic has finally taken over our entire existence, I'll be dead...... or so wracked with dementia, I won't care.

Richard-390a0

3,517 posts

121 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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What a sad end to the Golf GTI.

Maxym

3,035 posts

266 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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burman said:
Agreed, in fact I do not want any of the new tech mentioned just a newer version of my excellent MK7.5 GT 150 Diesel.
Also I believe the 8.5 comes with all that lane assist and speed limit guff like all 24 on cars. 2019 looks like peak car to me.
Hear, hear. Though IMO my old 7.0 was just a little bit better.

Fetchez la vache

5,903 posts

244 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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Apart from now being not as dull to look at, it doesn't really seem like they have fixed the issues with 8.0 that stopped people buying them scratchchin

Peanus

157 posts

135 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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Being rather coy about the interior, aren't they

fantheman80

2,618 posts

79 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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there literally is a dark cloud hanging over the Golf GTi....

119

19,989 posts

66 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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Pob17 said:
So the new steering wheel is one from a Golf 8 Life
Probably as the previous one that was haptic was fking awful to use and it was unlikely they would redesign it now.

dunnoreally

1,356 posts

138 months

Monday 8th January 2024
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That front end styling is certainly something. Why is it so round?! Is that a pedestrian safety thing or something to with aerodynamics?

Can't say I'm much of a fan, but then there hasn't been any gen of gti that's really done it for me in terms of styling. Had a go in MK7 petrol non-gti at one point though, and it was pretty nice.