RE: Peugeot 205 GTMi16 | PH Private Area
RE: Peugeot 205 GTMi16 | PH Private Area
Thursday 11th January 2024

Peugeot 205 GTMi16 | PH Private Area

Plenty of 205s got Mi16 swaps back in the day - there won't be many left better than this


Even if seen less frequently than they once were, there’s nothing quite as exciting as an engine swap. As well as hopefully adding a chunk more performance, there’s a whole new world of character to be explored, too - think Rocketeer MX-5. Plus an enormous sense of achievement, presumably, for those that undertake the work themselves. That Dodge can still make the Hellephant crate motor shows there’s still demand for wild engine swaps, and closer to home Tesla batteries in Range Rovers or old sports cars are surely more interesting than in yet another Model S. The powertrain swap has a long history ahead of it. 

And you never know, perhaps there will be a time in the future when we’re crying out for standard, unmodified Teslas to collect, only to find they’ve all been harvested for restmods and nowhere to be found. Or maybe not. But that is the fate that befell the Peugeot 405 Mi16 and Citroen BX GTI 16v; fun cars, no doubt, yet almost impossible to find now because their 160hp engines were much more fun stuffed in the front of a 205 GTI. Now it feels a pity there aren’t more around, but back when all of them were cheap the appeal must have been irresistible; who’d have thought anything of sacrificing an old Citroen that nobody wanted to make a great hot hatch even better?

This is one of the Mi16-engined cars, and must be one of the best. Not only is the shell very low mileage (52k) and recently rejuvenated with some fresh paint, but the 1.9-litre engine has also been rebuilt. The cambelt is just 100 miles old as well. With any kind of engine swap it typically has to be accepted that you won’t know everything about the shell and the powertrain, yet this 205 boasts an engine that’s not long been brought back to its best - result. 

Additionally, this one benefits from Bilstein suspension, better brakes and some parts pinched from a 309 GTI, including some fantastic seats. Plenty of important bits, including the dampers, are again very recently installed. This owner won’t get to enjoy the fruits of their labour (perhaps the M3 on the drive needs attention, or the caravan), but it looks a cracking opportunity for somebody else.

Moreover, as a car that's already some way from standard, there won't be any need to be precious. So no agonising on whether to keep a classic untouched or fully realise the potential; it’s already a 160hp 205 GTI with 309 leather seats and 1.6 badges, so the next custodian is free to continue the story however they deem fit. With the engine sorted, it could be made into a little fireball of a track car, for example. 

The additional benefit of a modified GTI like this one is that it’s more affordable than the standard cars that are now being priced squarely at collectors (i.e., quite highly). This is never going to win any awards for originality, but at £12,500 it’s a lot less than half the price of the most expensive 205 GTI. And likely even more fun, which is exactly what a great engine swap should be all about.


SPECIFICATION | PEUGEOT 205 GTI 1.9

Engine: 1,905cc four-cylinder
Transmission: 5-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 130@6,000rpm (standard)
Torque (lb ft): 118@4,750rpm (standard)
MPG: 30ish
CO2: N/A
Recorded miles: 52,000
Year registered: 1990
Price new: £9,295
Yours for: £12,500

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Mumble

Original Poster:

184 posts

46 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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Not a bad way to end up in a ditch

Nomme de Plum

7,050 posts

43 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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Great cars in their day. I had the 1.6. from new for about 4 years. It was a hoot to drive.

I think the 309 was better suited to the slightly more powerful engine.

gerlewis

115 posts

256 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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I converted one of these, and added twin Webber's and a wilder cam.

But vmax was 80p a litre so I couldn't afford to drive it much.

Fun times!

s m

24,353 posts

230 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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Mumble said:
Not a bad way to end up in a ditch
hehe


Lively handling caught out a few
All tamed by electronics in today’s hot hatches

xu5

788 posts

184 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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Nomme de Plum said:
Great cars in their day. I had the 1.6. from new for about 4 years. It was a hoot to drive.

I think the 309 was better suited to the slightly more powerful engine.
I am pretty sure you could get a 309 with the 1.9 16v on the continent?

Water Fairy

6,544 posts

182 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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Good buddy of mine took his Dad's out with another mate and they rolled it end over end into a field. Thankfully all ok, except the poor Pug of course.

The closest modern day car I can think of to compare is the Fiesta ST. So many are cat D/S on AT.

Motormatt

508 posts

245 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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The only 205 Gti I've ever driven was an Mi16 swapped and stripped out trackday car that was a 'work in progress' around Croft, so whilst I'm unable to compare or contrast with a standard car, I can say it was an absolute riot to drive.

Honeywell

1,645 posts

125 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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A 309 GTi with the Mi16 would be perfect.

Firebobby

979 posts

66 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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Halcyon days when 130bhp made cars feel like an F1.

Maccmike8

1,594 posts

81 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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Came close to buying one in early 2000s when they were peanuts. Thats a regret.

JD2329

509 posts

195 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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I’ve never driven a 205 with an Mi16, but based on experiences with that engine in my BX 16V it must be quite something.
As was the BX actually…a shame so few of those now exist, a completely unique experience.
This 205 looks good value, its lack of originality being a win win IMO.

ducnick

2,207 posts

270 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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I bet that would be fun.
Approx 25 yrs ago I bought a solid looking 205gti from a private seller for £500 or so It was green with the sunroof and leather seats.
Sadly the long daily commute, the constant ragging, and the fact I didn’t service it ever resulted in a snapped cambelt
Ended up giving it away on eBay for a 12 pack of Stella and £20 for a curry to a bloke with a van who came to collect it. Nowadays I regret getting shot of it as it would have been a great little project for an engine swap.

Mumble

Original Poster:

184 posts

46 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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JD2329 said:
I’ve never driven a 205 with an Mi16, but based on experiences with that engine in my BX 16V it must be quite something.
As was the BX actually…a shame so few of those now exist, a completely unique experience.
This 205 looks good value, its lack of originality being a win win IMO.
We had a bx GTi for a few weeks and my lack of driving abilities soon had the car attempt to kill me by throwing me under a bus literally, sold it to a farmer who ragged it to death around his fields

2172cc

1,852 posts

124 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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After having a standard sliver 1.9 8v in the early 90's, I had the opportunity to buy another 1.9 F reg ten or so years later for £500 with the intention of turning into track/sprint car. Once the car was stripped I fitted a cage, comp seats and then a new roof skin to get rid of the sunroof. Brakes and suspension were all uprated but what was missing was the final bit of the jigsaw.... an MI16 with the 1.6 gearbox. Really needed an LSD but was a lot of fun.


Id love another one

Edited by 2172cc on Thursday 11th January 19:38

s m

24,353 posts

230 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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xu5 said:
I am pretty sure you could get a 309 with the 1.9 16v on the continent?
They did indeed

Blue stripes on the plastic cladding rather than red

Few for sale on the continental car sales sites



Edited by s m on Thursday 11th January 19:43

Davie

6,090 posts

242 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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Honeywell said:
A 309 GTi with the Mi16 would be perfect.
I had one.

Or more accurately I had a 309 XS that started with its original 1.6 8v then got a 1.9 8v followed by some 2.0 16v hybrid thing a mates Dad built but never ran right so it ended up with an Mi16.

Adored that thing.

Simon_GH

938 posts

107 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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s m said:
hehe


Lively handling caught out a few
All tamed by electronics in today’s hot hatches
I think modern tyres provide a welcome dose of predictability and stability.

2172cc

1,852 posts

124 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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Davie said:
Honeywell said:
A 309 GTi with the Mi16 would be perfect.
My friend has a genuine 309GTi16, UK registered

BFleming

3,894 posts

170 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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I had the 309 GTI, and for a long time I missed it. I don't think I'd go back now though - although a 16V in Miami Blue could be the undoing of me.
I frequently read that the 205 GTI 1.6 was the sweet 205; how does the 16V compare? An oversteering tyre-shredder, or sort-the-tyres-out excellent fun?

Article said:
Year registered: 1990
Price new: £9,295
I've got the Jan 1988 Autocar in front of me that lists the 205 1.9 GTI at £9695; did they drop in price 2 years later?


s m

24,353 posts

230 months

Thursday 11th January 2024
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Simon_GH said:
s m said:
hehe


Lively handling caught out a few
All tamed by electronics in today’s hot hatches
I think modern tyres provide a welcome dose of predictability and stability.
Yes, that too I’m sure

Switch the stability control off in the early Minis and they’ll do the same as the old 205s