I am being picky? Garage invoice...
I am being picky? Garage invoice...
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Megaflow

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11,526 posts

255 months

Sunday 28th January 2024
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I took the bus, aka a 2011 C200 diesel, for an MOT on Wednesday and it failed. One of the hard brake pipes for the OSF burst during the brake test. A bit odd because they were not mentioned at all the previous year.

Plainly I can't drive it home, so arrange for them to fix it the next day, and replace the NSF as well at the same time because it is looking a bit crusty. Price was £335, which breaks down as 4 hours of labour at £70 an hour, 2 flex hoses at £10 each, 3m of brake pipe at £18, some fittings and fluid. During the conversation about the work, they said most of the work was in changing the OSF because it goes all the way around the bulkhead, the NSF is a straight shot from the ABS pump to the flexi.

I have been under the bonnet for something that I thought was unrelated since, and found they haven't replace the full OSF pipe at all, they have replaced just the corroded end piece, but they have billed me for the full 4 hours of labour for something that plainly took at lot less and even told me how much of a challenge the job was when I picked the car up!

The unrelated issue I went under the bonnet for, was a low coolant level alarm that appeared the same day, coincidence I assumed. The level was slightly low, but only by 5mm or so, I added some coolant anyway. Which hasn't fixed the issue. I just googled where the sensor is and have been out of the car to look at it. Guess what... yep, it is not connected and the join they have put into the OSF brake pipe is suspiciously close to that area.

So, let it ride, or have a chat with the owner, who I should add, I used to work with!

stevemcs

10,323 posts

123 months

Sunday 28th January 2024
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4 hours is about right to do the full pipe, they are a pain. If the have only replaced the small section which I assume is the bit in the wheel arch then that’s a bit cheeky as is charging you for more brake pipe than is needed.

As for breaking, it’s very common on these and I suspect last years mot missed quite a bit

the-norseman

15,824 posts

201 months

Sunday 28th January 2024
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I'd ask them for an explanation.

GiantEnemyCrab

7,995 posts

233 months

Sunday 28th January 2024
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Can also ask to see the old pipe if you're quick enough?

Also I had rear pipes done last year, had to do the lot (did need doing), garage said that certain types of joins aren't allowed on MOT although I don't know the details.

66HFM

879 posts

55 months

Monday 29th January 2024
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Just have a chat with the owner, especially as you used to work with him, ask him to double-check that the full pipework was replaced as that what you were charged for.

It maybe you worked with him and he doesn't like you....

Pica-Pica

16,606 posts

114 months

Monday 29th January 2024
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Refitting a failed brake pipe can be a lengthy and fiddly process - it’s almost surgery. If you don’t think they have done it adequately, have a word with them.

Alex_225

7,789 posts

231 months

Monday 29th January 2024
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the-norseman said:
I'd ask them for an explanation.
I'd go with this. Try and speak to someone senior and ask them exactly what you're thinking. You don't have to bowl in there all angry but explain your thoughts on it and ask them if that's the case. If they say they only replaced that end piece, then ask why it would have taken 4 hours and point out the old pipe you mention.

Might find it's the mechanic that's claimed the job took that long and what the work was, the garage have just written the receipt up by default and it needs a bit more looking into by them. I don't think you're being picky though OP.

MG CHRIS

9,322 posts

197 months

Monday 29th January 2024
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Could be the tester told the garage to quote for the full pipe and when the job was given to the tech he seen the work and decided to do a join to the good part of the pipe. Brake pipes are one of the most hated jobs for us techs due to mess involved and trying to route it back through cleanly.

Either let it slide are have a chat with the owner and ask to confirm what was meant to have been charged for.

Time4another

520 posts

33 months

Monday 29th January 2024
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As above, ask to clarify. Not picky at all.

Megaflow

Original Poster:

11,526 posts

255 months

Monday 29th January 2024
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66HFM said:
Just have a chat with the owner, especially as you used to work with him, ask him to double-check that the full pipework was replaced as that what you were charged for.

It maybe you worked with him and he doesn't like you....
Fair! hehe

We do get along though, I have used him since he set the business up ~10 years go. I think the crucial bit though is the business has grown quite a lot, and he doesn't tend to be on the front desk anymore.

Thanks for the thoughts though, I will have a quite word when I am next in the area.

FWIW, I think the price charged of £335 is fine for the work they quoted for, this issue is, that is not the work they have done, and I think there is at least and hour, if not two, less work involved.

dhutch

17,815 posts

227 months

Monday 29th January 2024
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I would say something I think.

If it was just the level sensor, I might leave it till next time I am in, and or not even mention that if I went now.

But I would be narked if I had been charged for full replacement, told how hard it was, and then found it had not been done.
Even if the repair they have done it valid (and its if done well I would be happy with it) and the money isnt and issue, morally you have been lied to.

Seems very little reason for it all really.

J4CKO

46,839 posts

230 months

Monday 29th January 2024
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Yeah, if they quote for replacing the pipe, then thats what should have been done, they didnt say let in repair section, so you have a small bit of new pipe and a load of old pipe you have paid for to be replaced.

hidetheelephants

35,895 posts

223 months

Monday 29th January 2024
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Nothing wrong with repairing it like that but billing you for a full pipe is snide; you should challenge it.

Megaflow

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11,526 posts

255 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Update, I went back today. Politely ask to speak to the owner in private, he wanted to do it in the reception, even though the guy that billed me was there with him.

Put across the case, making sure I pointed out I had no issue with the price for the quoted work, I just didn’t get the quoted work. They got the workshop supervisor to go outside with me to look, and he held his hands up and said he knew about the change, but it was a busy day and forgot to tell the bloke behind the counter doing the invoicing. Given they squeezed it at short notice that is highly probable.

I got 2 hours of labour and some of the pipe cost back.

Sounds like a genuine error they quickly corrected.

Can’t say fairer than that.

Mad Maximus

989 posts

33 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Megaflow said:
I took the bus, aka a 2011 C200 diesel, for an MOT on Wednesday and it failed. One of the hard brake pipes for the OSF burst during the brake test. A bit odd because they were not mentioned at all the previous year.

Plainly I can't drive it home, so arrange for them to fix it the next day, and replace the NSF as well at the same time because it is looking a bit crusty. Price was £335, which breaks down as 4 hours of labour at £70 an hour, 2 flex hoses at £10 each, 3m of brake pipe at £18, some fittings and fluid. During the conversation about the work, they said most of the work was in changing the OSF because it goes all the way around the bulkhead, the NSF is a straight shot from the ABS pump to the flexi.

I have been under the bonnet for something that I thought was unrelated since, and found they haven't replace the full OSF pipe at all, they have replaced just the corroded end piece, but they have billed me for the full 4 hours of labour for something that plainly took at lot less and even told me how much of a challenge the job was when I picked the car up!

The unrelated issue I went under the bonnet for, was a low coolant level alarm that appeared the same day, coincidence I assumed. The level was slightly low, but only by 5mm or so, I added some coolant anyway. Which hasn't fixed the issue. I just googled where the sensor is and have been out of the car to look at it. Guess what... yep, it is not connected and the join they have put into the OSF brake pipe is suspiciously close to that area.

So, let it ride, or have a chat with the owner, who I should add, I used to work with!
Explanation please mr garage and take it from there. fking cowboys piss me off.

Gigamoons

18,084 posts

230 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Megaflow said:
Update, I went back today. Politely ask to speak to the owner in private, he wanted to do it in the reception, even though the guy that billed me was there with him.

Put across the case, making sure I pointed out I had no issue with the price for the quoted work, I just didn’t get the quoted work. They got the workshop supervisor to go outside with me to look, and he held his hands up and said he knew about the change, but it was a busy day and forgot to tell the bloke behind the counter doing the invoicing. Given they squeezed it at short notice that is highly probable.

I got 2 hours of labour and some of the pipe cost back.

Sounds like a genuine error they quickly corrected.

Can’t say fairer than that.
Fair result.
Not entirely sure I’d use them again though…

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

74 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Megaflow said:
Update, I went back today. Politely ask to speak to the owner in private, he wanted to do it in the reception, even though the guy that billed me was there with him.

Put across the case, making sure I pointed out I had no issue with the price for the quoted work, I just didn’t get the quoted work. They got the workshop supervisor to go outside with me to look, and he held his hands up and said he knew about the change, but it was a busy day and forgot to tell the bloke behind the counter doing the invoicing. Given they squeezed it at short notice that is highly probable.

I got 2 hours of labour and some of the pipe cost back.

Sounds like a genuine error they quickly corrected.

Can’t say fairer than that.
Fair enough if true. If not then not.

Pica-Pica

16,606 posts

114 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Gigamoons said:
Megaflow said:
Update, I went back today. Politely ask to speak to the owner in private, he wanted to do it in the reception, even though the guy that billed me was there with him.

Put across the case, making sure I pointed out I had no issue with the price for the quoted work, I just didn’t get the quoted work. They got the workshop supervisor to go outside with me to look, and he held his hands up and said he knew about the change, but it was a busy day and forgot to tell the bloke behind the counter doing the invoicing. Given they squeezed it at short notice that is highly probable.

I got 2 hours of labour and some of the pipe cost back.

Sounds like a genuine error they quickly corrected.

Can’t say fairer than that.
Fair result.
Not entirely sure I’d use them again though…
No. I would expect them to have said something like ‘it wasn’t as big a job as we thought, etc., etc.’, and priced accordingly.

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Yeah I'd fk them off for future work. Cheeky grease monkey fkers

dhutch

17,815 posts

227 months

Thursday 1st February 2024
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I think that's fair enough, and on a one off I would give them the benefit of the doubt.

Good work.