RE: 'Most dynamic Taycan of all time' due next week
Tuesday 5th March 2024
'Most dynamic Taycan of all time' due next week
Porsche has been hyping the Tesla Model S Plaid slayer for months - is this its first 1,000hp EV?
Porsche ensured the car world was made to feel properly awake in the first week of January with confirmation that a new Taycan had lapped the Nordschleife in 7:07.55. A phenomenally fast time for any kind of car, let alone a two-tonne saloon. Now Porsche has announced when we’ll know everything about its latest EV: 1pm GMT, Monday 11th March.
The manufacturer is promising this will be ‘the most dynamic Taycan of all time’, which had already sort of been sussed by the lap time, but is nice to make doubly sure of. Unsurprisingly, the details are being kept firmly under wraps till next week, with only a moody silhouette with this update showing some fixed aero devices: there’s an extended front splitter hiding in the dark as well as the more obvious rear wing.
Since Porsche announced that it had broken the EV lap record, there has of course been the reveal of the standard Taycan to guide our thinking. Specifically the Turbo S, all 938hp and 808lb ft of it, which this car must be derived from. And while there’s not a comparable car in the range currently, the last time Porsche went destroying lap records with something unexpected it was the Cayenne Turbo GT - and that was significantly more powerful - as well as more dynamic - than the Turbo it was based on.
Probably not unreasonable then to expect more power from the new Taycan, alongside the aero enhancements and what is likely to be an overhauled chassis. Especially as it can count cars like the 1,234hp Lucid Air Sapphire and Tesla Model S Plaid (with 1,020hp) amongst its rivals. Not long now before we know for certain!
Discussion
Ex Boy Racer said:
Cue all the negativity. About a mega fast machine that can go around a track like a racing car.
I like engines (and have some proper ones in my cars) but also like my Taycan. A lot.
Surely it’s possible to like petrol and electricity???
I tend to agree, but I suspect much of the negativity stems from the fact that we have no choice in the matter.I like engines (and have some proper ones in my cars) but also like my Taycan. A lot.
Surely it’s possible to like petrol and electricity???
Ex Boy Racer said:
Cue all the negativity. About a mega fast machine that can go around a track like a racing car.
I like engines (and have some proper ones in my cars) but also like my Taycan. A lot.
Surely it’s possible to like petrol and electricity???
Bang on, you dont need to choose one forever and get all negative about the other.I like engines (and have some proper ones in my cars) but also like my Taycan. A lot.
Surely it’s possible to like petrol and electricity???
I would have a Taycan, just short of the 45 grand or more to get into one, and there are a few other ICE cars I fancy as well but I bet they are a lovely thing to tool around in, couple of the neighbours have them.
Suppose the problem is that there 800 plus Taycans hanging round like XL Bully puppies needing a home at the moment, there is a gulf between the first, usually company owners and what private punters can A, afford and B are happy to take on given the perceived (if not actual) risks and the normal downsides.
They will start moving more quickly (selling, they already move pretty fast) I feel, when they drop into the mid/high thirties and given there is a new one that should push prices downward a bit more.
I think Porsche are also stuck with a few, saw a youtuber trying to buy a GT3 RS and to get one they wanted to buy 3 170k ish Taycan Turbo S's, mad that such a lovely car is used by Porsche as kind of a wooden spoon, booby prize, obligation, obstacle or whatever you want to call it.
Ex Boy Racer said:
Cue all the negativity. About a mega fast machine that can go around a track like a racing car.
I like engines (and have some proper ones in my cars) but also like my Taycan. A lot.
Surely it’s possible to like petrol and electricity???
Absolutely, still dig some big & not so big petroleum powered fun but EV's rock, instant comedy level torque I find sooo addictive. Love the shove I like engines (and have some proper ones in my cars) but also like my Taycan. A lot.
Surely it’s possible to like petrol and electricity???
Think of it like this a panamera works as a car on a known and understood way. A Taycan feels like a bigger risk (irrelevant if this is true or not) but why drop 80k on a used car you have doubts about when you have alternatives.
If this has say 1000bhp....so what the next model S will likely have 1200 etc and most people won't take a 2 ton EV to the Nring. All of these EVs seem to solve a problem people don't have.
Clear marketing about range, charge times, how much range is left after 30k 50k 100k etc. Would actually help.
Also looking at PH today 2 articles on old cars an Alfa and Merc which you can drive. Will a 30 year old Tycan just be landfill
If this has say 1000bhp....so what the next model S will likely have 1200 etc and most people won't take a 2 ton EV to the Nring. All of these EVs seem to solve a problem people don't have.
Clear marketing about range, charge times, how much range is left after 30k 50k 100k etc. Would actually help.
Also looking at PH today 2 articles on old cars an Alfa and Merc which you can drive. Will a 30 year old Tycan just be landfill
Edited by Gecko1978 on Monday 4th March 11:44
Ex Boy Racer said:
Cue all the negativity. About a mega fast machine that can go around a track like a racing car.
I like engines (and have some proper ones in my cars) but also like my Taycan. A lot.
Surely it’s possible to like petrol and electricity???
I agree....Even some of these electric cars are a marvel of engineering.....the power they can deploy is truly mind blowing. I like engines (and have some proper ones in my cars) but also like my Taycan. A lot.
Surely it’s possible to like petrol and electricity???
Blue 7 said:
I tend to agree, but I suspect much of the negativity stems from the fact that we have no choice in the matter.
Mr Toyoda reckons EVs will account for only 30% of global cars....not sure buy when to be honest. Was on one of the latest Chris Harris collecting jam jars podcast. Interesting two others on said podcast, the shoe man and the older boy I think, who owned Taycans liked it, but not the game changer everyone at first thoughtBladedancer said:
Why does it bother you so much that other people don't like what you like?
We're living in a strange world where not agreeing with someone is automatically negativity, trolling, hate speech and most like some sort of phobia too.
One of the best posts I’ve seen on PH for a while. So true. The world and those that live in it can be a strange place and in my opinion getting stranger year on year. We're living in a strange world where not agreeing with someone is automatically negativity, trolling, hate speech and most like some sort of phobia too.
Bladedancer said:
Ex Boy Racer said:
Cue all the negativity.
Why does it bother you so much that other people don't like what you like?We're living in a strange world where not agreeing with someone is automatically negativity, trolling, hate speech and most like some sort of phobia too.
Gecko1978 said:
Also looking at PH today 2 articles on old cars an Alfa and Merc which you can drive. Will a 30 year old Tycan just be landfill
Powerplant alone, accordig to t'internet, "“Ninety-five percent of the lithium, manganese, cobalt and nickel can be recovered and used in the manufacturing of new batteries and EVs". I'm not sure what percentage of an ICE & fluids are recycled at an ATF, but also probably quite high.Edited by Gecko1978 on Monday 4th March 11:44
The rest of the car is also mostly recycled these days at the ATF. The days of scrap yards covering acres of land with rusting cars or being crushed prior to ending up in landfill are gone, apparently.
I bet that most of the Alfa GTV6s that were made rusted into the water table many years ago and the lovely example on PH is one of the surviving minority.
Edited by Justin-ow582 on Monday 4th March 12:29
A +£200k Porsche with 1000bhp goes really fast.
Obviously it’s a halo car designed to sell the lower models of Taycans or other EV Porsches so don’t need to sell many.
Be interesting to see how Porsche tries to markets this as either the ultimate daily driver or more will it be a track car.
Obviously it’s a halo car designed to sell the lower models of Taycans or other EV Porsches so don’t need to sell many.
Be interesting to see how Porsche tries to markets this as either the ultimate daily driver or more will it be a track car.
Ex Boy Racer said:
Bladedancer said:
Ex Boy Racer said:
Cue all the negativity.
Why does it bother you so much that other people don't like what you like?We're living in a strange world where not agreeing with someone is automatically negativity, trolling, hate speech and most like some sort of phobia too.
PH seems to be awash with Luddites. Embrace the change to EV as we clearly can’t live with ICE forever. Is EV the right move? It is, for now.
Will we freely accept and embrace further change when another fuel source is found?
Very much doubt it.
WonkeyDonkey said:
Most dynamic taycan of all time? There's only been one so far hasn't there?
Walk into a Porsche dealership and you'll see they specialise in sycophantic driven above anything else.Their customer satisfaction survey has a question along the lines of "did your Porsche representative create a personal relationship with you?"
It's so creepy and it's all designed to put the relationship on the footing that you'll do more for a friend than a business relationship which means you spend more money and are more accepting when they treat you badly, for example your cooling fans on your £150k taycan are broken but its not a warranty item because you didn't clean them (despite the fact they are in the wheel arch and as such get covered in crud from the road and you can't access them because for most people they don't routinely remove the wheels to clean the car). I think they're around £1k each too.
Ex Boy Racer said:
Surely it’s possible to like petrol and electricity???
Yes, depending on what exactly is defined by "like". An EV does the job for some while an ICE does far more for some - I say that as this is Pistonheads, not Mumsnet. The beating heart of an ICE car is it engine, take that away and what's really left...
Which do you really want to drive around the 'Ring, Taycan or a 911? Or, look at it another way, 1200 bhp from electric motors or 600bhp from a 8000rpm V12. The answer is a no-brainer I reckon.
For the money the Tesla Model S Plaid is a pretty great package. Yeah, it's a bit old and doesn't handle that well, but it's fast as f
k and is cheap (in the US) for the performance on offer. The Lucid Air Sapphire is quite a different prospect... much more expensive but seems to universally be considered an absolutely amazing car. This Taycan is going to have to be very good indeed to better it!
k and is cheap (in the US) for the performance on offer. The Lucid Air Sapphire is quite a different prospect... much more expensive but seems to universally be considered an absolutely amazing car. This Taycan is going to have to be very good indeed to better it!Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff