RE: M5 Touring confirmed for US as testing ramps up
RE: M5 Touring confirmed for US as testing ramps up
Friday 5th April 2024

M5 Touring confirmed for US as testing ramps up

New vid shows hybrid M5 facing off against the Arctic Circle as BMW makes North American launch official


Are we excited about the forthcoming M5 Touring? Does the Pope wear a funny hat? Even allowing for BMW’s current penchant for shooting itself in the design foot, the prospect of an M-branded wagon is never one to be taken lightly. Unlike the M3, the 5 Series has been here before (albeit sporadically) and the results have been memorable to say the least. And with BMW finally confirming this week that the G99 will go on sale in North America - in stark contrast to the M3 Touring - it seems safe to assume that the manufacturer is throwing the kitchen sink at the new model. 

To underline this fact, it has released a video of the M5 en route to the Arjeplog for winter testing. This is standard procedure for any incoming derivative, of course - but BMW well understands the M-obsessed fraternity (remember the tortuous build-up to the M3’s unveiling?) and even a five-minute video of the car in a multi-storey is likely to glean significant YT clicks. As it happens, Episode 1, covering the motorway journey to Sweden’s far north, is not much more exciting. But we watched it all and we bet you will too. 

As you might expect, BMW M’s engineers (once again roped into presenting duties) confirm only what we know for sure: that the near-to-completion new M5 is a plug-in hybrid, with its electric motor incorporated into the transmission. But the brand has been much less coy elsewhere, reiterating in the US release that the ‘M Hybrid drivetrain [is] closely related to the one found in the BMW M Hybrid V8 GTP race car.’ This is another way of saying that it will get a modified version of the petrol-electric powertrain that debuted in the XM. Quite where the M5’s combined power output - or the split between the 4.4-litre V8 and compact motor - will end up is anyone’s guess. But you can bet your mortgage on it being north of 700hp. 

We know this because the XM Red Label gets 748hp. BMW has already let slip that the M5’s electric range will be slightly smaller than the SUV, partly because it’s said to feature a slightly smaller battery. On the basis that it’s the only new 5 Series to get an eight-cylinder engine, we’re fervently hoping that more power has been extracted from the S68 unit for its job of powering the flagship - which will be larger and (inevitably) heavier than its predecessor - but that’s just us crossing our fingers and looking at the sky. For now, under its familiar layer of camouflage, all we can do is all agree that the M5 Touring looks like a beast. Let’s hope it turns out to be a handsome and worthy one. 


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Escort Si-130

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3,449 posts

209 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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Smart move, don't show any fk ugly grill on the front.

GreatScott2016

2,513 posts

117 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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What a thing. I'm looking forward to seeing this one smile

Andy83n

611 posts

91 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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Escort Si-130 said:
Smart move, don't show any fk ugly grill on the front.
Doesn't appear to be as large as expected in either the final photo or the video

Twinair

1,033 posts

171 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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Seems like a lot of side shoulder height to the top of the doors and metal - for not much glass above?

Could just be the angle…?

Guess we will see soon enough :-))

Jules Henry

107 posts

155 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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I'll take the Alpina B5 Wagon please

Ashok

622 posts

288 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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Jules Henry said:
I'll take the Alpina B5 Wagon please
Agreed but sadly I doubt there will be one this time around - they will wait for the next generation post BMW takeover in 2026

Skaben

365 posts

170 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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Escort Si-130 said:
Smart move, don't show any fk ugly grill on the front.


Looks kind of in the middle, not massive SUV style but not M4 beaver either

andy43

13,205 posts

283 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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Good. 4.4 V8.
2 litre C63 designers are you listening?

redroadster

1,886 posts

261 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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Getaway car of choice .

Terminator X

20,623 posts

233 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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Current M5 is big, heavy and expensive. Any news on what the estate might cost?

TX.

E90_M3Ross

36,729 posts

241 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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Terminator X said:
Current M5 is big, heavy and expensive. Any news on what the estate might cost?

TX.
Big luxury saloon car with over 600bhp is big, heavy and expensive shocker hehe

Mits

195 posts

247 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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£120-130k. Give it a couple of years until the hype has died down, just like the m3 tourings remaining unsold.
Perfect last car before they get banned.

AmyRichardson

1,979 posts

71 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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"Are we excited about the forthcoming M5 Touring? Does the Pope wear a funny hat?"

I don't know why I find this unexciting, at least not in the way that super saloons were in the past.

Possibly it's to do with the competition; an M5 used to be the better part of 40% more powerful than any other 5-Series, and that was meaningful when a 540i only had 280hp. And that was in an era when hot hatches were creeping up from 150hp to 230hp, so a 400hp saloon was hot stuff, only supercars were much faster.

Now you can buy a Hyundai massive-hatchback-MPV-thing with 640hp or a Tesla with 1050hp - why would I (much as I like an estate) be wowed by 700hp 5-Series?

Terminator X

20,623 posts

233 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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AmyRichardson said:
"Are we excited about the forthcoming M5 Touring? Does the Pope wear a funny hat?"

I don't know why I find this unexciting, at least not in the way that super saloons were in the past.

Possibly it's to do with the competition; an M5 used to be the better part of 40% more powerful than any other 5-Series, and that was meaningful when a 540i only had 280hp. And that was in an era when hot hatches were creeping up from 150hp to 230hp, so a 400hp saloon was hot stuff, only supercars were much faster.

Now you can buy a Hyundai massive-hatchback-MPV-thing with 640hp or a Tesla with 1050hp - why would I (much as I like an estate) be wowed by 700hp 5-Series?
Excellent point. Power is now "cheap" and effectively just a by product of the battery in an EV. Makes life very difficult for what used to be "premium" vehicles that only the wheel heeled could afford. In saying that I'm not sure that a M5 customer will be swayed by a powerful SUV wink

TX.

GreatScott2016

2,513 posts

117 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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AmyRichardson said:
"Are we excited about the forthcoming M5 Touring? Does the Pope wear a funny hat?"

I don't know why I find this unexciting, at least not in the way that super saloons were in the past.

Possibly it's to do with the competition; an M5 used to be the better part of 40% more powerful than any other 5-Series, and that was meaningful when a 540i only had 280hp. And that was in an era when hot hatches were creeping up from 150hp to 230hp, so a 400hp saloon was hot stuff, only supercars were much faster.

Now you can buy a Hyundai massive-hatchback-MPV-thing with 640hp or a Tesla with 1050hp - why would I (much as I like an estate) be wowed by 700hp 5-Series?
Because it's a better drive for starters? Anyway, this constant drive for "power" is lost on me. I'd rather enjoy a twisty B road in a 200bhp Fiesta than a 1000bhp Tesla. wink


AmazingGrace

289 posts

33 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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Serious question : why do all development mules have the crazy patterning ?

If the idea was for it to not be noticed, they aren’t succeeding too well.

Baldchap

9,624 posts

121 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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Ashok said:
Jules Henry said:
I'll take the Alpina B5 Wagon please
Agreed but sadly I doubt there will be one this time around - they will wait for the next generation post BMW takeover in 2026
Not the word on the street from Alpina. There'll be some special run out models (don't know what) and that'll be it as far as the Alpina we know and love.

I have been told by an Alpina representative that BMW plan to make Alpina a Maybach competitor using the 7 series as a basis.

AmyRichardson

1,979 posts

71 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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GreatScott2016 said:
Because it's a better drive for starters? Anyway, this constant drive for "power" is lost on me. I'd rather enjoy a twisty B road in a 200bhp Fiesta than a 1000bhp Tesla. wink
It probably will be, certainly more so than the Tesla.

But that's a matter of degree; we're ultimately talking about a 2m wide, 2.5t machine - it's never going to be an involving or tactile thing.

Super saloons used to be rareified machines, superior to the crowd by a variety of measures and by a margin - but that superiority has been significantly degraded.

E90_M3Ross

36,729 posts

241 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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AmyRichardson said:
GreatScott2016 said:
Because it's a better drive for starters? Anyway, this constant drive for "power" is lost on me. I'd rather enjoy a twisty B road in a 200bhp Fiesta than a 1000bhp Tesla. wink
It probably will be, certainly more so than the Tesla.

But that's a matter of degree; we're ultimately talking about a 2m wide, 2.5t machine - it's never going to be an involving or tactile thing.

Super saloons used to be rareified machines, superior to the crowd by a variety of measures and by a margin - but that superiority has been significantly degraded.
Interesting thoughts, and I agree, you make a valid point.

pattieG

196 posts

178 months

Friday 5th April 2024
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AmazingGrace said:
Serious question : why do all development mules have the crazy patterning ?

If the idea was for it to not be noticed, they aren’t succeeding too well.
It's to hide the shape of the car.

Or....

So German U-Boats have trouble working out speed and direction before firing a torpedo.