Here we go - first significant road charging proposal (USA)
Discussion
https://www.autoblog.com/2024/05/26/california-lau...
The inevitable is starting to arrive. California is the state with the highest number of EVs, so is losing the most from fuel taxes.
I believe this is the first proposal for road charging at a large scale.
The suggestion is an annual calculation charged at X pence per mile. Not clear if you count miles driven outside California, or if a black box will be mandatory.
I suspect Khan will already be subscribed to receive email updates from the project.
The inevitable is starting to arrive. California is the state with the highest number of EVs, so is losing the most from fuel taxes.
I believe this is the first proposal for road charging at a large scale.
The suggestion is an annual calculation charged at X pence per mile. Not clear if you count miles driven outside California, or if a black box will be mandatory.
I suspect Khan will already be subscribed to receive email updates from the project.
s p a c e m a n said:
raspy said:
Gibbler290 said:
Good.
Yes, this is a good thing. I don't see why so many people have a problem with charging people based upon how much they drive. 
Andy86GT said:
and road tax, sorry VED, should be abolished too, but it's never going to happen as it's an easy tax grab
Indeed...Fuel duty will remain
V.E.D. will remain
Can also see an extra 'F.U.' tax for:
Every 250cc increase in engine capacity
Every 2cm over a (stupidly small) given width & length
Every 50kg over 'X' weight
Ban on 2 heaters for being 'pointless'/inefficient
Ban on 5+ seats for being to big
Ban on anything 'interesting'
Only allowed to drive on given days
Restrictions of age of car able to be used at will
A tax for not using the car
A little tongue in cheek but they'll find just about any way you can think of to screw you (& several you can't)
Well apart from the privacy concerns, if road charging takes the place of other car related taxes then I can see an argument for it as those who use the roads the most pay accordingly but we had that before EV's arrived with duty on fuel.
Unfortunately it also paves the way for demand pricing targeting the commute or the school run, bank holidays,etc.
Personally I suspect it will be another layer of charges on the motorist where the loss of revenue from EV's not paying fuel duty will get unfairly get amortised over all drivers through road charging.
Unfortunately it also paves the way for demand pricing targeting the commute or the school run, bank holidays,etc.
Personally I suspect it will be another layer of charges on the motorist where the loss of revenue from EV's not paying fuel duty will get unfairly get amortised over all drivers through road charging.
Where I live (Illinois), EV annual registration fee has been $250 compared to $150 for ICE since 2020 for this reason. EV was $17.50 annually before that. Was a bit of kick in the cock at the time, but at the same time I don’t think it’s unreasonable.
Either way, this is far simpler to implement and doesn’t require a whole new system to be setup and administered with no doubt billions being wasted what with it being a government effort.
CA could just up their annual EV registration price from the current low $100, to $300. Job done.
Either way, this is far simpler to implement and doesn’t require a whole new system to be setup and administered with no doubt billions being wasted what with it being a government effort.
CA could just up their annual EV registration price from the current low $100, to $300. Job done.
New Zealand has duty on petrol and no duty on diesel.
All diesel powered vehicles pay Road User Charges of so much per kilometre based on weight.
For cars up to 2 tons the rate is 4 pence per kilometre.
Charging per kilometre effectively punishes fuel efficient vehicles and rewards gas guzzlers.
The government had just introduced Road User Charges for EVs at the same rate as diesel.
Now, a petrol car that does 50mpg pays 2p per km in fuel duty, an EV pays double this.
50kW rapid chargers cost 40p per kWhr.
Working it all out, an EV is colder, slower and costs more when using rapid chargers than using a small petrol engined car, genius.
To top it all, Plug in Hybrids pay Road User Charges of 2 pence per k, plus petrol duty - very expensive on a long journey.
All Road user charges for cars are done from the odometer reading.
NZ is thinking of removing petrol fuel duty and having RUCs for everything. I suspect fraud and evasion will be significant.
Cotty said:
raspy said:
Yes, this is a good thing. I don't see why so many people have a problem with charging people based upon how much they drive.
Why should they be charged for driving? What next, charged for breathing?Makes perfect sense to me.
ICE pay based on usage because of fuel duty.
The options for EVs are:
1) Add a duty to electricity but then everyone pays more for electricity.
2) Increase VED for EVs to offset the loss but then every EV user pays the same.
3) Charge based on distance used, which seems fairest and closest to the current ICE situation.
The fairytale of EVs being cheaper to run wasn’t going to last forever
ICE pay based on usage because of fuel duty.
The options for EVs are:
1) Add a duty to electricity but then everyone pays more for electricity.
2) Increase VED for EVs to offset the loss but then every EV user pays the same.
3) Charge based on distance used, which seems fairest and closest to the current ICE situation.
The fairytale of EVs being cheaper to run wasn’t going to last forever
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