RE: Bugatti expecting big things of Mistral's VMAX

RE: Bugatti expecting big things of Mistral's VMAX

Tuesday 9th July 2024

Bugatti expecting big things of Mistral's VMAX

A V16 successor is just around the corner, but Bugatti needs to sign off the its last-ever W16 first...


It’s only human to wind up all interest in something when a newer, shinier version of said thing comes along. But, much like elephants, car enthusiasts tend not to forget - especially when there's a reputation at stake. Just look at the reaction to the new BMW M5 or any electric Lotus. And while there’s a monumental amount of anticipation around Bugatti’s new V16 Tourbillon, there’s no chance the company’s legendary W16 efforts will vanish from memory any time soon. Not with the open-top Mistral on the horizon, which Bugatti has announced is now in its final phase of testing. 

Admittedly, it’s been a while since we’ve heard anything on the W16 swan song. The Chiron-based speedster was announced back in 2022 and touted as the world’s fastest drop-top, with the 1,600hp 8.0-litre W16 from the Chiron Super Sport 300+ pushing it towards a target top speed  ‘in excess’ of 261mph. All without a roof, remember. Since then, Bugatti has been running through a rigorous test programme to get the Mistral ready for the 99 buyers who have forked out €5m (or £4.2m) to get their hands on one. That includes nearly 20,000-miles of testing on public roads, ranging from mountain passes to gridlocked inner city streets, all of which has been carried out by a single development car codenamed ‘Prototype 2’.

Here’s where the fun really begins, though. Bugatti’s testing target is 40,000km (just shy of 25,000 miles), and 5,000 (3,100 miles) of those have been earmarked for track work. That includes verifying the lofty top-speed target the company has set itself, which is proving a bit of a problem. See, there aren’t many circuits in the world that are long enough and flat enough to get up to Mistral-levels of speeds. Bugatti reckons there are only a handful of suitable tracks in the world, presumably including the Ehra-Lessien facility that played host to the Chiron’s top-speed runs. McLaren voiced similar concerns when it finally came to test the Speedtail back in 2019, eventually settling on the Space Shuttle Landing Facility in Florida. On the basis that Bugatti is expecting the Mistral to 'exceed expectations' it's probably a fair bet that it wants somewhere equally cinematic. 

You may be wondering why a car based on the Chiron would need to undergo such stringent tests, but such are the demands of a roofless 260mph+ hypercar that drastic alterations were needed. For instance, the air intakes have been split into two sections: two smaller intakes ahead of the rear wheel arches to cool the oil and another two positioned above the seats that can feed 70,000 litres of air per minute into the engine at full bore.

That’s all part of a revised aerodynamics package. Bugatti didn’t want to mess with the car’s slippery silhouette by bolting on aero appendages to make up for the lack of a roof, so it instead gave more care and attention to underbody, resulting in a much larger diffuser to keep it sucked to the road at ludicrous speed. Its radically different look essentially serves as a ‘best of Chiron’, from the Bolide-style X-lights at the rear to the vertical headlights inspired by the Voiture Noire. As it turns out, bits of the Mistral’s design (namely the nose and the shape of the rear end) would wind up on the new Tourbillon. 

Emilo Scervo, Bugatti Rimac’s CTO, said: “We are in the last part of the testing program – we are getting close to the finish. From the initial validation stages to the intensive endurance tests, every aspect of the Mistral's development is precisely planned and executed. The Mistral is the ultimate example of our dedication to setting new standards in roadster design.” All that’s left to do is to put its top-speed claim to the test, then. So if you’ve got a test track in your back garden with miles of straights, Bugatti may want to hear from you…


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Bencolem

Original Poster:

1,127 posts

253 months

Tuesday 9th July 2024
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All that testing and development and aerodynamic work and the front number plate is bolted on like the afterthought that it is?!

CountyAFC

2,828 posts

17 months

Tuesday 9th July 2024
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What a dog.

Dohnut

633 posts

60 months

Tuesday 9th July 2024
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Looks like someone’s written Mustard on the wing.

MDL111

7,619 posts

191 months

Tuesday 9th July 2024
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Dohnut said:
Looks like someone’s written Mustard on the wing.
it does look a bit like somebody tried to write on the wing while it was in that position - color choice probably does not help with it looking like it was meant to be there / that way

Kipsrs

576 posts

63 months

Tuesday 9th July 2024
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Dohnut said:
Looks like someone’s written Mustard on the wing.
I can’t unsee that now. . .

V12GT

505 posts

104 months

Tuesday 9th July 2024
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Kipsrs said:
Dohnut said:
Looks like someone’s written Mustard on the wing.
I can’t unsee that now. . .
Thanks for that. Now I can’t unsee it either! rofl

Wheel Turned Out

1,433 posts

52 months

Tuesday 9th July 2024
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No doubt an engineering tour de force, but goodness me what a gopping face.

chrisironside

807 posts

176 months

Tuesday 9th July 2024
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Oof. That is tasty.

ManyMotors

887 posts

112 months

Tuesday 9th July 2024
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Enjoy this car, rich people. But it looks like a Veyron done up like a slammed Civic.

CountyAFC

2,828 posts

17 months

Tuesday 9th July 2024
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chrisironside said:
Oof. That is tasty.
Did you mean nasty?

C5_Steve

5,756 posts

117 months

Wednesday 10th July 2024
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Wheel Turned Out said:
No doubt an engineering tour de force, but goodness me what a gopping face.
Have to agree, it's a bit all over the place. There are some nice design touches but all together it just doesn't seem very coherent.

mrclav

1,549 posts

237 months

Wednesday 10th July 2024
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chrisironside said:
Oof. That is tasty.
Agreed. Lovely way to send the Chiron off.

Jockie

37 posts

184 months

Wednesday 10th July 2024
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Saw the Mistral at Molsheim, just stunning in person.

Along with the La Voiture Noire, probably the best looking versions of the Chiron series.

It will be going up the hill at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this week.

Dr G

15,566 posts

256 months

Wednesday 10th July 2024
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This:



Reminds me of the ouch emoji:




nismo48

5,159 posts

221 months

Wednesday 10th July 2024
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mrclav said:
chrisironside said:
Oof. That is tasty.
Agreed. Lovely way to send the Chiron off.
Yep not a bad way

threespires

4,394 posts

225 months

Wednesday 10th July 2024
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I'll be ordering mine in Dijon Yellow.

Snaaakeey

186 posts

86 months

Wednesday 10th July 2024
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Modem Bugatti's are hideous.

Just

Hideous.

slevin911

652 posts

190 months

Wednesday 10th July 2024
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That is fantastic and a great send off. I do have to laugh at all the nitpicking on what is an over engineered tour de force. If it was a new Dacia, people would be creaming themselves over it.

legalman58

87 posts

17 months

Wednesday 10th July 2024
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Hideous- and to prove how pointless it is- even Bugatti struggle to find anywhere in the World where teh car can be driven at top speed

A complete waste of time and effort

Its "wet" weight, after allowing for fuel, water, ,oil and a 75kg driver, is in excess of 2000 kg

How can any car be called a sports car that is so heavy?

Before lots of people tell me how ignorant I am and how wrong I am please consider the following facts

1 The Veyron wet weight is circa 2050kg (1885 kg dry plus fuel, oil, water and 75kg driver) and has 1001bhp

2 The Tesla Plaid wet weight ( in this case including 75kg for a driver) weighs about 2340 kg and has 1019 bhp

3 Both the Plaid and the Veyron have been taken round the Nürburgring and both have been timed at 7minutes 31 seconds. As such both are over 25 seconds a lap slower than the Porsche GT3 which has about 503 bhp- but which weighs about 500 less than the Veyron and about 810 kilos less than the Plaid - a lot less than either of the other 2 high speed lorries. The GT3 weighs 1380 kg dry so add circa 150kg for fuel, oil, water, and a 75kg driver making a total of about 1530 kg wet weight)

I respect the engineering in both of the high speed lorries- but for me if a car is to be a sports car it has to do a lot more than just go fast in a straight line.

I am not an EV hater- my partner drives an electric car I bought for her. It is a Lexus something or other- I think it was named after a fax machine and totally boring to drive- quick in a straight line but you do have to break hard to ensure you will get round a bend that you otherwise will enter at high speed- for the weight of the car is ever present when cornering

My Sunday Toy is a lightened old style American V8- very quick and wonderful fun even when burbling along at 40

To me fast means a lot more than a high speed that cannot be attained even on a track in the UK, or acceleration that will ensure you will lose your licence after less than 6 seconds - remember the Court of Appeals guidance on this- if you are 30mph above any given limit the presumption is that you will lose your licence and it is for you to justify why you had to speed in order to retain your licence

I like a car than can handle well at high speed and can stop even faster than it can accelerate

The fact the GT3 is 25 seconds a lap faster says it all

As Colin Chapman famously said "for more speed add less weight" and of course " lighten and simplify"

Rant over - great engineering that achieves an utterly pointless goal

Wheel Turned Out

1,433 posts

52 months

Wednesday 10th July 2024
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slevin911 said:
That is fantastic and a great send off. I do have to laugh at all the nitpicking on what is an over engineered tour de force. If it was a new Dacia, people would be creaming themselves over it.
A new Dacia? What an odd comparison.