RE: "I promise: what we make will be special"
RE: "I promise: what we make will be special"
Monday 9th December 2024

'I promise: what we make will be special'

As BMW begins to stir the pot, Dirk Häcker reckons the four-motor electric M3 will be worth the wait


Any PHer suffering from an obsessive interest in everything that emerges from BMW M (which, let’s face it, is most of us) will likely recall that the maker of many wonderful things started touting its investigation of a four-motor EV some years ago. Well, evidently the manufacturer has been hard at it ever since, and with the launch of the next generation of M3 now dimly visible on the horizon, it has decided now is the time to talk a little more about it - specifically with a new YouTube series called, appropriately enough, BMW M Electrified. 

The first episode deals with the development of its new all-wheel-drive system, powered by a motor assigned to each wheel, but also the centralised control system that BMW has christened the ‘Heart of Joy’ (to distinguish it from the ‘Hand of God’). Unsurprisingly, it is this combination that has been proposed to ‘implement the driver’s wishes more precisely, faster, and more independently than ever before’. 

“Something like this is simply not possible with conventional drive technology,” reckons Dirk Häcker, Head of Development at BMW M. “To exploit this huge performance advantage, the integrated control algorithm we have developed is a key success factor for the concept, alongside the four engines. We use this driving coordinator as a central point to calculate the ideal power transmission for each individual e-motor and thus for each individual wheel in each driving situation.

“Of course, this also means that the battery technology has to be able to cope with instantaneous energy absorption in addition to the rapid energy release under full acceleration – because the recuperation performance of the four motors will be significantly higher than that of current e-vehicles. We are convinced that such a concept will open up a whole new dimension of performance. It may even be the ultimate expansion stage in this area.”

In official remarks accompanying the new video, Häcker also confirmed that the current prototypes were essentially now in their second generation, and had taken three years to get to their current status - partly due to ‘bottlenecks’ with suppliers and logistics. He conceded that by using exclusively new technology the firm knew it would be taking ‘a big step’ but the installation of a unique powertrain was a fundamental part of the future model’s DNA. 

While the prototypes are based on the existing i4 M50, the model has been substantially modified and strengthened. Häcker was also at pains to stress that even at this early stage, the car was being engineered with fast lap times in mind. “Yes, the model will perform just as confidently on racetracks and withstand higher loads like our previous M automobiles do,” he said. “That's also our very personal aspiration in the team, and let's be honest: Without a racetrack capability, the model wouldn't be an authentic BMW M either.” 


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Motormouth88

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782 posts

89 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Only 6589kg

Wills2

29,614 posts

204 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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It'll be a niche product, there is no need for a faster version of a car that's already too fast but without any of the sound and fury of the ICE version, they are all going to struggle to sell EV M, RS and AMGs, Porsche for a brief moment managed it with the Taycan but that's flopped now.

The fact these kind of cars make a noise is a very important part of the buying decision (I've had 6 new M cars) and every owner I've ever spoken to will talk about the noise their car makes, without that you're left with a road going version of Formula E...




Crafty_

14,090 posts

229 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Wills2 said:
It'll be a niche product, there is no need for a faster version of a car that's already too fast but without any of the sound and fury of the ICE version, they are all going to struggle to sell EV M, RS and AMGs, Porsche for a brief moment managed it with the Taycan but that's flopped now.

The fact these kind of cars make a noise is a very important part of the buying decision (I've had 6 new M cars) and every owner I've ever spoken to will talk about the noise their car makes, without that you're left with a road going version of Formula E...
I agree and said here some time ago, the performance car as we know it is dead, there will simply be no point in them.
Of course they've already been watered down with "m sport" and "amg line" editions of cars anyway.

The knock on effect will be that car culture will slowly die away. and slowly racing with it but by bit. Both will become the domain of historic/retro stuff.

I would add its not only noise but the dynamics of an ICE car.

I'm sure some won't agree, but thats fine, up to Mr Häcker to persuade me I'm wrong...

ChrisCh86

1,126 posts

73 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Wills2 said:
It'll be a niche product
I don't think so, it just caters to a different audience.

There's plenty of people that would love to have a super fast daily that they can get cheaper than they ought to through a tax-efficient lease deal. This will be priced similar to a Taycan, I can see plenty of those types getting the M3e instead.

The classic petrolhead won't want one, sure - but they're being priced out of the market anyway.


Let's just pray that this car doesn't weight 3 tonnes and look as attractive as a rhinoceros' backside.

st33ly

527 posts

176 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Does anyone else hate the door handles on new BMWs. I’m assuming it was cheaper to produce the current crap ones than the previous quality items. I was in BmW the other day and that was the first thing I thought.

Leon R

3,860 posts

125 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Given it is almost universally agreed that as M3's have gotten bigger and heavier with less interesting engines they have become less special I find it hard to believe that a new even heavier version with no engine at all will be something the fans consider to be special.

GreatScott2016

2,508 posts

117 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Wills2 said:
It'll be a niche product, there is no need for a faster version of a car that's already too fast but without any of the sound and fury of the ICE version, they are all going to struggle to sell EV M, RS and AMGs, Porsche for a brief moment managed it with the Taycan but that's flopped now.

The fact these kind of cars make a noise is a very important part of the buying decision (I've had 6 new M cars) and every owner I've ever spoken to will talk about the noise their car makes, without that you're left with a road going version of Formula E...

I’m inclined to agree. My M car “only” has 365 bhp but is plenty fast enough, moreover it sounds glorious. I am also of an age that an EV M car has zero appeal to me. Granted, some will love it and that’s their call, but it’s not for me.

Earthdweller

19,306 posts

155 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Motormouth88 said:
Only 6589kg
That's the lightweight CSL model

Bencolem

1,183 posts

268 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Like it or loathe it, there's an inevitability to these electric cars that can't be stopped. The technology offers so much more capability for the engineers to develop; traction control, individual torque vectoring, packaging benefits just can't be leveraged with existing ICE technology.

As a road cyclist I feel like I've seen the movie once already.

In isolation I don't like hydraulic disc brakes; they add a lot of weight (proportionally) and (unless it's very wet) the braking advantage they offer over rim brakes isn't required. But hydraulic disc brakes has opened a whole new world of wider rims and tires (more aero, more comfortable) and integrated cabling (more aero and more, ahem, captive service work for the suppliers and dealers). I resisted but now I'm a convert. Made it a lot more expensive though...

British Beef

2,572 posts

194 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Earthdweller said:
Motormouth88 said:
Only 6589kg
That's the lightweight CSL model
WITH the £20k optional Carbon fibre wheels,

..... the £16k carbon fibre roof, AND

..... the £12k carbon fibre backed seats.


Scott-R

186 posts

134 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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If it actually makes it to production with four motors that will be quite some achievement. I don’t think there are any non super car quad motor EVs out there currently?

WhyOne

669 posts

227 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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st33ly said:
Does anyone else hate the door handles on new BMWs. I’m assuming it was cheaper to produce the current crap ones than the previous quality items. I was in BmW the other day and that was the first thing I thought.
Going forwards, I feel door handles are going to be well down the list of frustrations!

Cryssys

912 posts

67 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Crafty_ said:
The knock on effect will be that car culture will slowly die away. and slowly racing with it but by bit. Both will become the domain of historic/retro stuff.
A large part of the fun with ICE cars was, for some people the ability to make them go faster and sound better. Induction kit, new exhaust, engine remap throttle bodies etc. Can't see people having the same enthusiasm for EV's. Aftermarket/parts upgrades market will also die a slow death as a result.

The world moves on, what was important to one generation is less important to another. As cars become more complicated and expensive they are less likely to be regarded as toys and something to be tinkered with at the weekend. People increasingly want no fuss, reliable cars to get them from A-B.

Terminator X

20,562 posts

233 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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My prediction - too fat, too heavy, ugly as hell.

Ex M2, M3 and M5 owner.

TX.

DMC2

2,003 posts

240 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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No thank you BMW.

Maybe I'm too old for this type of car, I don't care if it does 0-60 in 1 second and 'hides its weight'. I'd rather have an older car than a new one (that is pretending to be environmentally friendly).

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

202 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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4 motors does seem like the optimal solution.

fantheman80

2,597 posts

78 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Crafty_ said:
The knock on effect will be that car culture will slowly die away. and slowly racing with it but by bit. Both will become the domain of historic/retro stuff.
We are well past peak ICE car now. But there is enough modernish stuff out there to keep car culture going for a loooooong time. Instead of a triumph stag or a Austin Healey, my sons son will be looking at a Alfa Quad and a Civic Type R in a sodding wet field eating an overpriced burger

FA57REN

1,266 posts

84 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Scott-R said:
If it actually makes it to production with four motors that will be quite some achievement. I don’t think there are any non super car quad motor EVs out there currently?
Rivian and some Chinese EV-SUVs

lotus116tornado

340 posts

181 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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Only worth the wait if you compare it to the battery offerings.


J-P

4,422 posts

235 months

Monday 9th December 2024
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hmmm... love the noise of M engines, wonder if anybody will want a silent car even if it does handle amazingly well?