RE: Audi tears up badging strategy as EV sales falter
RE: Audi tears up badging strategy as EV sales falter
Monday 3rd February

Audi tears up naming strategy as EV sales falter

Got your head around even-numbered electric Audis and odd-numbered ones with engines? It's all changing again


Once upon a time, an Audi naming strategy snafu was a simple one. Remember the introduction of badges like 35, 40 and 50 for power output? The ones nobody understood? Sorting that out looks like a walk in the park against this latest refresh. Not so long ago Audi said that, going forward, its even-numbered cars - both ‘A’ and ‘Q’, so like A6 and Q6 - would be electric only. And that was already in evidence with the new e-tron versions of both. Models that were retaining combustion power of any kind would be sold only as odd numbers, so the car that was the S4 became the S5. The replacement for the current RS6 was likely to be an RS7 Avant, that sort of thing. 

It made some sense once up to speed - right up until it didn't. Now the strategy is being binned. Following “intensive discussions and also… the wishes of our customers as well as feedback from our international dealers”, according to Sales and Marketing board Member Marco Schubert, Audi is removing the link between alphanumeric name and drivetrain technology. So an A6 can be petrol, electric or hybrid, for example, as can any other A- or Q-badged Audi going forward.

The models will be designated in the old-fashioned way: TFSI for a petrol one, TFSI e for a plug-in hybrid petrol model, e-tron for all-electric, TDI for d… you get it. That will apply to all models, whether hatch, saloon, SUV or wagon. Indeed to make sure everyone has this new message nice and clear, a new A6 with a combustion engine - the model that up until today was an electric car - will be introduced on March 4. That’ll be the A6 Avant TFSI, to sit alongside the A6 Avant e-tron. Given the history around the badge, we’d have to imagine that this move means the RS6 moniker can be retained (a future plug-in was going to be an RS7 Avant), though nothing is confirmed for the moment. 

Audi’s announcement also said that no retroactive name changes will take place for those cars already on sale, so an S5 won’t go back to being an S4. That headache can wait for facelift time at the very least. Or the RS4/5. Schubert added: “Our nomenclature now provides all customers worldwide with an intuitive orientation in our portfolio. We choose the names of our models in a way that reveals size and positioning at first glance.” Almost like it didn’t need too much meddling with in the first place.

On the other hand, the sales situation really has been tough going, especially as widely reported for electric - and notably for Audi. In 2024 just 164,000 of 1.7m global sales were EV, and 108,000 of those were the Q4 e-tron, so it just doesn’t make sense for entire model families, particularly those with decades of heritage attached, to be limited to a drivetrain technology that isn’t selling as expected right now.

Sales across the globe were down last year - 21 per cent in Germany, 13 per cent in the USA, 11 per cent in China - and electric vehicles suffered in all of those. Hard to see them changing in the immediate future, either. So little surprise that the new naming convention, which prevented Audi from (re)installing petrol engines in half the range, had to change along with its powertrain strategy. Let’s hope for the sake of all our brains this one sticks around a little while. Expect more on the A6 (with an engine) in due course.


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foxhounduk

Original Poster:

582 posts

196 months

Monday 3rd February
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Bin EVs please.

brogenville

938 posts

217 months

Monday 3rd February
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What a blunder.

Anyone used to working with German engineering companies will understand that Germans love complexity. It doesn't matter how complex it is, as long as they see it as logical, its fine.

Discombobulate

5,632 posts

202 months

Monday 3rd February
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foxhounduk said:
Bin EVs please.
You are not going to enjoy the next decade or two. And nor, I fear, are Audi, BMW etc.

scenario8

7,208 posts

195 months

Monday 3rd February
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What a mess.

I work for an SME, I’ve only ever worked for SMEs. When I see debacles such as this I wonder to myself what it is like to work for an organisation that can spend what can only be incomprehensible sums dicking about in such a manner.

Oh well. Never mind. Carry on.

pixelmix

243 posts

124 months

Monday 3rd February
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Last year’s ‘new’ numbering strategy was a farce. Everybody understood what an A4 was and an A5 etc.

They would have been better just going with E4 or A4e for the A4 sized electric car, which is essentially what they are now doing by calling it A4 e-tron, except that there are presumably several thousand Audis floating around with odd names from a one year window.

Good luck searching for an Audi on auto trader in a few years time!

plfrench

3,683 posts

284 months

Monday 3rd February
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Makes more sense this way. They didn't feel the need to give A4 petrol and A4 Diesels different model names, so why do it with EVs, just another propulsion method. It'll make it easier in the long run as the transition to electric continues, particularly given the differing paces in different markets around the world.

s-x-i

253 posts

65 months

Monday 3rd February
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If only someone had thought to get feedback from dealers/customers before implementing the change.

As mentioned in the article, as with the engine output in numbered bands, its a shambles!

cerb4.5lee

37,877 posts

196 months

Monday 3rd February
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foxhounduk said:
Bin EVs please.
I know that they aren't going away anytime soon, and the power's that be will make sure that they are a success one way or another ultimately, but I do like your style on that though for sure. thumbup

MisanoPayments

508 posts

58 months

Monday 3rd February
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A win for common sense!

plfrench

3,683 posts

284 months

Monday 3rd February
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wyson said:
I think the A5 thing is fine. Fits with the Q5. Both D segment cars.

The Q4 Etron at 4588mm long is a C Segment SUV. Really should be renamed to Q3 Etron to fit in with their current line up.
Good point. As it stands, the Q4 Etron and the A4 Etron (when it arrives) will be on different platforms which is a bit odd. The Q4 Etron is on the MEB platform along with the ID3, Born, Enyaq etc, while the A4 Etron will be on the PPE platform along with A6 Etron, Q6 Etron and Macan.

Bladedancer

1,449 posts

212 months

Monday 3rd February
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Discombobulate said:
foxhounduk said:
Bin EVs please.
You are not going to enjoy the next decade or two. And nor, I fear, are Audi, BMW etc.
I think it'll be more much longer than a decade or two. I may actually be forever.
I personally resigned myself to the fact that any new car coming out I'm either not interested in (because it's a boring runabout, an EV or a SUV) or can't afford (because it's past 100k price tag). So I'll just pick something used but nice, with a V8, and run with it till it falls apart completely.

Edited by Bladedancer on Monday 3rd February 16:59

Arrivalist

1,579 posts

15 months

Monday 3rd February
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MisanoPayments said:
A win for common sense!
Agreed. Why was it ever considered a bad thing to have various drivetrain offerings per model? It was always the simplest and easiest to understand.

Quattr04.

631 posts

7 months

Monday 3rd February
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What a mess

When they’re designing ground up cars they have the opportunity to make one to fit all drivetrains so why not just start with that

The A6 and the forthcoming A7 are 2 different cars, why not just sell a A6 and badge it as A6, in the same way as you can buy a Vauxhall corsa with petrol or electric it’s the same looking car

I suppose they’ve already done that with rebranding the ETRON SUV to the Q8 etron

Am I right in thinking Audi will be selling 2 models of car under the same name or will the new petrol a7 be called the a6 now but look different to the electric A6 already on sale??

Edited by Quattr04. on Monday 3rd February 17:12

Triumph Man

9,130 posts

184 months

Monday 3rd February
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pixelmix said:
Last year’s ‘new’ numbering strategy was a farce. Everybody understood what an A4 was and an A5 etc.

They would have been better just going with E4 or A4e for the A4 sized electric car, which is essentially what they are now doing by calling it A4 e-tron, except that there are presumably several thousand Audis floating around with odd names from a one year window.

Good luck searching for an Audi on auto trader in a few years time!
In 50 years time people will pay extra for a rare A4-but-actually-badged-as-an-A5 - like one of those first edition books with a misprint.

plfrench

3,683 posts

284 months

Monday 3rd February
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Quattr04. said:
What a mess

When they’re designing ground up cars they have the opportunity to make one to fit all drivetrains so why not just start with that

The A6 and the forthcoming A7 are 2 different cars, why not just sell a A6 and badge it as A6, in the same way as you can buy a Vauxhall corsa with petrol or electric it’s the same looking car

Am I right in thinking Audi will be selling 2 models of car under the same name or will the new petrol a7 be called the a6 now but look different to the electric A6 already on sale??
It's the latter. We're just in a transition phase from ICE to EV. The transition may take quite some time to complete globally however, which leaves manufacturers with a conundrum... twice as many production lines or go early and put all your eggs in the EV basket now. Jaguar were in the comparatively 'fortunate' position that they were a dying brand anyway, so almost nothing to lose by going early to EV only. Aston Martin may well regret the decision to straddle both camps for longer and hemorrhage cash in the process trying to keep both approaches alive with a small total volume.

Makes sense to free yourself from the packaging compromises that result from trying to have one model work for all drivetrains (although ironically, that hasn't really manifested itself with the A6 Etron as packaging doesn't appear to have been well resolved for rear passengers and boot space).

ChocolateFrog

32,240 posts

189 months

Monday 3rd February
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I lost interest when they went to 35/50, no idea what they mean.

I think it's such an own goal to make your model and trim lineup too complicated for your average punter.

charltjr

436 posts

25 months

Monday 3rd February
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Don’t really see the point in Audi any more, their USPs were interior quality and Quattro.

They’ve dialled back the interior quality to cut costs and the world and their dog are 4WD these days, so where’s their niche?

Changing the model names like this was some marketing department wk that anyone with half a brain could tell you was just going to cause confusion and confused customers don’t buy cars.

Zero Fuchs

2,587 posts

34 months

Monday 3rd February
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foxhounduk said:
Bin EVs please.
Nothing wrong with EV, just that Audi make st ones. They can get away with making mostly mediocre ICE as people lap that up. But not EV.

Rich Boy Spanner

1,694 posts

146 months

Monday 3rd February
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They really couldn't have got to the most obvious and simple solution in a more complicated and convoluted way.

ex-devonpaul

1,484 posts

153 months

Monday 3rd February
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pixelmix said:
Last year’s ‘new’ numbering strategy was a farce. Everybody understood what an A4 was and an A5 etc.

They would have been better just going with E4 or A4e for the A4 sized electric car, which is essentially what they are now doing by calling it A4 e-tron, except that there are presumably several thousand Audis floating around with odd names from a one year window.

Good luck searching for an Audi on auto trader in a few years time!
Try searching for a GT E-tron on PH now frown You get 800 results, then have to put GT (or whatever dreivative you want) in the keywords box and go fro there.

I was in Audi last week - "Oh, I thought the A5 was a coupe, are they doing an Estate now?" The salesmans rolled his eyes and said it was the same as the A6 estate with a rounder back. I suspect he was mistaken smile